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On May 02 2014 04:00 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +Platts confirmed CSX Corporation's train that exploded in Lynchburg, Virginia was carrying sweet crude obtained via hydraulic fracturing ("fracking") in North Dakota's Bakken Shale basin. CSX CEO Michael Ward has also confirmed this to Bloomberg.
"Trade sources said the train was carrying Bakken crude from North Dakota and was headed to Plains All American's terminal in Yorktown," Platts explained. "The Yorktown facility can unload 130,000 b/d of crude and is located on the site of Plains oil product terminal."
In January, the U.S. Department of Transportation's Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration issued a Safety Alert concluding Bakken crude is more flammable than heavier oils. Hence the term "bomb trains."
At least 50,000 gallons of the oil headed to Yorktown is now missing, according to ABC 13 in Lynchburg. Some of it has spilled into the James River, as previously reported on DeSmogBlog. Source
It would be nice if you posted straight news instead of propagandized news.
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On May 02 2014 04:04 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +Seattle will raise its minimum wage to $15 an hour over the coming years under a deal brokered by Mayor Ed Murray and blessed by labor and business groups alike, city leaders announced Thursday afternoon.
The new pay floor will phase in at different speeds for businesses of different sizes, but all employers will have to meet the $15 minimum wage by the end of the decade. Businesses with more than 500 employees nationwide will have a three-year phase-in period, while smaller employers get five years to ratchet up their payscales.
After reaching $15 an hour, the city’s minimum wage will automatically climb by 2.4 percent each year regardless of the rate of inflation. Even among states with relatively strong minimum wage laws, automatic increases are uncommon. Thursday’s deal will make Seattle the national leader on municipal minimum wage laws. Washington currently has the highest pay floor of any state at $9.32 per hour.
The deal was a long time coming, with Murray first indicating he wanted to establish a $15 floor back in September during the mayoral campaign. Murray created the 24-member advisory group that crafted the compromise package back in December, and the group of local business owners, restaurateurs, and labor leaders has been grinding toward an agreement for the past four months.
Approval from restaurant owners is especially noteworthy given the deal’s provisions for tipped workers. Tips can only be counted toward worker minimum pay for the next five years. After that, the separate minimum hourly pay rates for tipped and non-tipped workers will disappear, and all employees citywide will have to be paid $15 hourly or more. Source
Looks like Intro is getting his wish. Now we get to see if Conservative predictions are right.
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On May 02 2014 04:14 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2014 04:04 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Seattle will raise its minimum wage to $15 an hour over the coming years under a deal brokered by Mayor Ed Murray and blessed by labor and business groups alike, city leaders announced Thursday afternoon.
The new pay floor will phase in at different speeds for businesses of different sizes, but all employers will have to meet the $15 minimum wage by the end of the decade. Businesses with more than 500 employees nationwide will have a three-year phase-in period, while smaller employers get five years to ratchet up their payscales.
After reaching $15 an hour, the city’s minimum wage will automatically climb by 2.4 percent each year regardless of the rate of inflation. Even among states with relatively strong minimum wage laws, automatic increases are uncommon. Thursday’s deal will make Seattle the national leader on municipal minimum wage laws. Washington currently has the highest pay floor of any state at $9.32 per hour.
The deal was a long time coming, with Murray first indicating he wanted to establish a $15 floor back in September during the mayoral campaign. Murray created the 24-member advisory group that crafted the compromise package back in December, and the group of local business owners, restaurateurs, and labor leaders has been grinding toward an agreement for the past four months.
Approval from restaurant owners is especially noteworthy given the deal’s provisions for tipped workers. Tips can only be counted toward worker minimum pay for the next five years. After that, the separate minimum hourly pay rates for tipped and non-tipped workers will disappear, and all employees citywide will have to be paid $15 hourly or more. Source Looks like Intro is getting his wish. Now we get to see Seattle jobs collapse as jobs disappear if Conservative predictions are right.
I unfortunatley live in seattle, and I would much rather not have to suffer because of people being duped into passing this $15/hour minimum wage. Unfortunately it seems the voice of reason is not very strong here, especially not after the pot legalization attracted many hippies. Although one good piece of news is amidst this whole "mayday" crap, there is a concert in seattle being sponsored by a group that apposes the $15 minimum wage.
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If you think that it was the legalization of marijuana that brought out the hippies to Seattle, you must not go out much. Sure, it's no Portland, but Seattle has long been a haven for left-leaning politics.
Having lived in Seattle myself, I find it laughable that anyone truly thinks that one can live on federal minimum wage there.
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On May 02 2014 04:17 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2014 04:14 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 02 2014 04:04 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Seattle will raise its minimum wage to $15 an hour over the coming years under a deal brokered by Mayor Ed Murray and blessed by labor and business groups alike, city leaders announced Thursday afternoon.
The new pay floor will phase in at different speeds for businesses of different sizes, but all employers will have to meet the $15 minimum wage by the end of the decade. Businesses with more than 500 employees nationwide will have a three-year phase-in period, while smaller employers get five years to ratchet up their payscales.
After reaching $15 an hour, the city’s minimum wage will automatically climb by 2.4 percent each year regardless of the rate of inflation. Even among states with relatively strong minimum wage laws, automatic increases are uncommon. Thursday’s deal will make Seattle the national leader on municipal minimum wage laws. Washington currently has the highest pay floor of any state at $9.32 per hour.
The deal was a long time coming, with Murray first indicating he wanted to establish a $15 floor back in September during the mayoral campaign. Murray created the 24-member advisory group that crafted the compromise package back in December, and the group of local business owners, restaurateurs, and labor leaders has been grinding toward an agreement for the past four months.
Approval from restaurant owners is especially noteworthy given the deal’s provisions for tipped workers. Tips can only be counted toward worker minimum pay for the next five years. After that, the separate minimum hourly pay rates for tipped and non-tipped workers will disappear, and all employees citywide will have to be paid $15 hourly or more. Source Looks like Intro is getting his wish. Now we get to see Seattle jobs collapse as jobs disappear if Conservative predictions are right. I unfortunatley live in seattle, and I would much rather not have to suffer because of people being duped into passing this $15/hour minimum wage. Unfortunately it seems the voice of reason is not very strong here, especially not after the pot legalization attracted many hippies. Although one good piece of news is amidst this whole "mayday" crap, there is a concert in seattle being sponsored by a group that apposes the $15 minimum wage.
How is the $15 min wage going to make you 'suffer'?
Pot legalization/decriminalization is the 'reasonable' position, prohibition is the incomprehensible position so I don't really know what that has to do with anything?
As for the anti $15 group I'm pleased they were able to express their views also.
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On May 02 2014 04:05 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2014 04:00 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Platts confirmed CSX Corporation's train that exploded in Lynchburg, Virginia was carrying sweet crude obtained via hydraulic fracturing ("fracking") in North Dakota's Bakken Shale basin. CSX CEO Michael Ward has also confirmed this to Bloomberg.
"Trade sources said the train was carrying Bakken crude from North Dakota and was headed to Plains All American's terminal in Yorktown," Platts explained. "The Yorktown facility can unload 130,000 b/d of crude and is located on the site of Plains oil product terminal."
In January, the U.S. Department of Transportation's Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration issued a Safety Alert concluding Bakken crude is more flammable than heavier oils. Hence the term "bomb trains."
At least 50,000 gallons of the oil headed to Yorktown is now missing, according to ABC 13 in Lynchburg. Some of it has spilled into the James River, as previously reported on DeSmogBlog. Source It would be nice if you posted straight news instead of propagandized news.
The trouble with you Johnny is you think every is propagandized.
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On May 02 2014 04:23 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2014 04:05 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On May 02 2014 04:00 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Platts confirmed CSX Corporation's train that exploded in Lynchburg, Virginia was carrying sweet crude obtained via hydraulic fracturing ("fracking") in North Dakota's Bakken Shale basin. CSX CEO Michael Ward has also confirmed this to Bloomberg.
"Trade sources said the train was carrying Bakken crude from North Dakota and was headed to Plains All American's terminal in Yorktown," Platts explained. "The Yorktown facility can unload 130,000 b/d of crude and is located on the site of Plains oil product terminal."
In January, the U.S. Department of Transportation's Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration issued a Safety Alert concluding Bakken crude is more flammable than heavier oils. Hence the term "bomb trains."
At least 50,000 gallons of the oil headed to Yorktown is now missing, according to ABC 13 in Lynchburg. Some of it has spilled into the James River, as previously reported on DeSmogBlog. Source It would be nice if you posted straight news instead of propagandized news. The trouble with you Johnny is you think every is propagandized.
Yeah, Huff Po, TPM, ThinkProgress and Mother Jones are all totally middle of the road and unbiased. The last few articles you posted on this thread had a heavy bias.
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On May 02 2014 04:23 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2014 04:05 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On May 02 2014 04:00 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Platts confirmed CSX Corporation's train that exploded in Lynchburg, Virginia was carrying sweet crude obtained via hydraulic fracturing ("fracking") in North Dakota's Bakken Shale basin. CSX CEO Michael Ward has also confirmed this to Bloomberg.
"Trade sources said the train was carrying Bakken crude from North Dakota and was headed to Plains All American's terminal in Yorktown," Platts explained. "The Yorktown facility can unload 130,000 b/d of crude and is located on the site of Plains oil product terminal."
In January, the U.S. Department of Transportation's Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration issued a Safety Alert concluding Bakken crude is more flammable than heavier oils. Hence the term "bomb trains."
At least 50,000 gallons of the oil headed to Yorktown is now missing, according to ABC 13 in Lynchburg. Some of it has spilled into the James River, as previously reported on DeSmogBlog. Source It would be nice if you posted straight news instead of propagandized news. The trouble with you Johnny is you think every is propagandized.
I don't think anyone is taking Jonny or Danglars seriously after their more recent displays. Pretty sure most reasonable people will need some sort of redeeming evidence that there is any reason to assign what they say much if any credibility.
Jonny if you don't like the source post a source you think gives the story a more fair treatment. Or at least point out what the source did to misinform/mislead about whatever your concern is.
Simply saying that the source leans left doesn't really mean much without a criticism of the article in question.
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On May 02 2014 04:23 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2014 04:17 hunts wrote:On May 02 2014 04:14 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 02 2014 04:04 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Seattle will raise its minimum wage to $15 an hour over the coming years under a deal brokered by Mayor Ed Murray and blessed by labor and business groups alike, city leaders announced Thursday afternoon.
The new pay floor will phase in at different speeds for businesses of different sizes, but all employers will have to meet the $15 minimum wage by the end of the decade. Businesses with more than 500 employees nationwide will have a three-year phase-in period, while smaller employers get five years to ratchet up their payscales.
After reaching $15 an hour, the city’s minimum wage will automatically climb by 2.4 percent each year regardless of the rate of inflation. Even among states with relatively strong minimum wage laws, automatic increases are uncommon. Thursday’s deal will make Seattle the national leader on municipal minimum wage laws. Washington currently has the highest pay floor of any state at $9.32 per hour.
The deal was a long time coming, with Murray first indicating he wanted to establish a $15 floor back in September during the mayoral campaign. Murray created the 24-member advisory group that crafted the compromise package back in December, and the group of local business owners, restaurateurs, and labor leaders has been grinding toward an agreement for the past four months.
Approval from restaurant owners is especially noteworthy given the deal’s provisions for tipped workers. Tips can only be counted toward worker minimum pay for the next five years. After that, the separate minimum hourly pay rates for tipped and non-tipped workers will disappear, and all employees citywide will have to be paid $15 hourly or more. Source Looks like Intro is getting his wish. Now we get to see Seattle jobs collapse as jobs disappear if Conservative predictions are right. I unfortunatley live in seattle, and I would much rather not have to suffer because of people being duped into passing this $15/hour minimum wage. Unfortunately it seems the voice of reason is not very strong here, especially not after the pot legalization attracted many hippies. Although one good piece of news is amidst this whole "mayday" crap, there is a concert in seattle being sponsored by a group that apposes the $15 minimum wage. How is the $15 min wage going to make you 'suffer'? Pot legalization/decriminalization is the 'reasonable' position, prohibition is the incomprehensible position so I don't really know what that has to do with anything? As for the anti $15 group I'm pleased they were able to express their views also.
With higher minimum wages comes higher cost of living, the issue is only certain people get a raise from this. No one earning above $15/hour will receive a raise to compensate for the higher cost of living, which will now be at or above the $15/hour earning floor. This will mainly and especially hurt the middle class, which is ironically what the democrats claim to not want to do. Not to mention such a raise in minimum wage will come with labor cuts, since many companies will have to pay their minimum wage employees almost 60% more.
It's not just the sources stealthblue posts, but also that he tends to only quote parts of the article, the parts that generally lean left, and leaves out parts that don't (I've seen this in at least a couple of his posts on the last page.) That being said I still appreciate what he does, just a bit more equality in articles and in parts of articles he chooses to quote would be better.
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On May 02 2014 04:27 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2014 04:23 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:On May 02 2014 04:05 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On May 02 2014 04:00 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Platts confirmed CSX Corporation's train that exploded in Lynchburg, Virginia was carrying sweet crude obtained via hydraulic fracturing ("fracking") in North Dakota's Bakken Shale basin. CSX CEO Michael Ward has also confirmed this to Bloomberg.
"Trade sources said the train was carrying Bakken crude from North Dakota and was headed to Plains All American's terminal in Yorktown," Platts explained. "The Yorktown facility can unload 130,000 b/d of crude and is located on the site of Plains oil product terminal."
In January, the U.S. Department of Transportation's Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration issued a Safety Alert concluding Bakken crude is more flammable than heavier oils. Hence the term "bomb trains."
At least 50,000 gallons of the oil headed to Yorktown is now missing, according to ABC 13 in Lynchburg. Some of it has spilled into the James River, as previously reported on DeSmogBlog. Source It would be nice if you posted straight news instead of propagandized news. The trouble with you Johnny is you think every is propagandized. Yeah, Huff Po, TPM, ThinkProgress and Mother Jones are all totally middle of the road and unbiased. The last few articles you posted on this thread had a heavy bias.
If they're not factual then please enlighten us.
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After reading the article on the seattle minimum wage, I can't tell if they just passed this without allowing the people to vote on it, or if this is the proposal that will be up for vote. I will be quite sad if they pushed this through without giving the opposing voice of reason a chance.
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On May 02 2014 04:28 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2014 04:23 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:On May 02 2014 04:05 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On May 02 2014 04:00 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Platts confirmed CSX Corporation's train that exploded in Lynchburg, Virginia was carrying sweet crude obtained via hydraulic fracturing ("fracking") in North Dakota's Bakken Shale basin. CSX CEO Michael Ward has also confirmed this to Bloomberg.
"Trade sources said the train was carrying Bakken crude from North Dakota and was headed to Plains All American's terminal in Yorktown," Platts explained. "The Yorktown facility can unload 130,000 b/d of crude and is located on the site of Plains oil product terminal."
In January, the U.S. Department of Transportation's Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration issued a Safety Alert concluding Bakken crude is more flammable than heavier oils. Hence the term "bomb trains."
At least 50,000 gallons of the oil headed to Yorktown is now missing, according to ABC 13 in Lynchburg. Some of it has spilled into the James River, as previously reported on DeSmogBlog. Source It would be nice if you posted straight news instead of propagandized news. The trouble with you Johnny is you think every is propagandized. I don't think anyone is taking Jonny or Danglars seriously after their more recent displays. Pretty sure most reasonable people will need some sort of redeeming evidence that there is any reason to assign what they say much if any credibility. Jonny if you don't like the source post a source you think gives the story a more fair treatment. Or at least point out what the source did to misinform/mislead about whatever your concern is. Simply saying that the source leans left doesn't really mean much without a criticism of the article in question.
GH - if you can't see the bias in those articles you're just confirming my opinion that you are one of the most partisan, ignorant and dishonest posters here.
And again, stop PM-ing me insults.
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On May 02 2014 04:29 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2014 04:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 02 2014 04:17 hunts wrote:On May 02 2014 04:14 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 02 2014 04:04 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Seattle will raise its minimum wage to $15 an hour over the coming years under a deal brokered by Mayor Ed Murray and blessed by labor and business groups alike, city leaders announced Thursday afternoon.
The new pay floor will phase in at different speeds for businesses of different sizes, but all employers will have to meet the $15 minimum wage by the end of the decade. Businesses with more than 500 employees nationwide will have a three-year phase-in period, while smaller employers get five years to ratchet up their payscales.
After reaching $15 an hour, the city’s minimum wage will automatically climb by 2.4 percent each year regardless of the rate of inflation. Even among states with relatively strong minimum wage laws, automatic increases are uncommon. Thursday’s deal will make Seattle the national leader on municipal minimum wage laws. Washington currently has the highest pay floor of any state at $9.32 per hour.
The deal was a long time coming, with Murray first indicating he wanted to establish a $15 floor back in September during the mayoral campaign. Murray created the 24-member advisory group that crafted the compromise package back in December, and the group of local business owners, restaurateurs, and labor leaders has been grinding toward an agreement for the past four months.
Approval from restaurant owners is especially noteworthy given the deal’s provisions for tipped workers. Tips can only be counted toward worker minimum pay for the next five years. After that, the separate minimum hourly pay rates for tipped and non-tipped workers will disappear, and all employees citywide will have to be paid $15 hourly or more. Source Looks like Intro is getting his wish. Now we get to see Seattle jobs collapse as jobs disappear if Conservative predictions are right. I unfortunatley live in seattle, and I would much rather not have to suffer because of people being duped into passing this $15/hour minimum wage. Unfortunately it seems the voice of reason is not very strong here, especially not after the pot legalization attracted many hippies. Although one good piece of news is amidst this whole "mayday" crap, there is a concert in seattle being sponsored by a group that apposes the $15 minimum wage. How is the $15 min wage going to make you 'suffer'? Pot legalization/decriminalization is the 'reasonable' position, prohibition is the incomprehensible position so I don't really know what that has to do with anything? As for the anti $15 group I'm pleased they were able to express their views also. With higher minimum wages comes higher cost of living, the issue is only certain people get a raise from this. No one earning above $15/hour will receive a raise to compensate for the higher cost of living, which will now be at or above the $15/hour earning floor. This will mainly and especially hurt the middle class, which is ironically what the democrats claim to not want to do. Not to mention such a raise in minimum wage will come with labor cuts, since many companies will have to pay their minimum wage employees almost 60% more.
Research shows that people making above the minimum wage would likely receive pay increases also.
The minimum wage debate currently underway tends to narrowly focus on those workers making exactly the minimum wage. This approach misses a large number of low-wage workers whose wages would likely be raised through a ripple effect resulting from an increase in the minimum wage source
Did you want them to legislate a mandatory increase across all businesses and pay levels?
How much do you think this will raise cost of living? (I'll give you a hint it's not much)
Poor Jonny:
+ Show Spoiler +"Did you stop in just to whine?" That's not an insult. It was a sincere question.
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On May 02 2014 04:42 hunts wrote:
After reading the article on the seattle minimum wage, I can't tell if they just passed this without allowing the people to vote on it, or if this is the proposal that will be up for vote. I will be quite sad if they pushed this through without giving the opposing voice of reason a chance.
How are they not giving them a chance to voice their opinion? Has free speech been suspended? I heard something about a concert sponsored by the opponents. Do you think the people should have to vote on everything rather than elect representatives to make decisions on their behalf?
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Having lower wages has not lowered the cost of living in Seattle; it's clear that the two became locally disentangled long ago. Furthermore, the effect of higher minimum wages in a city as growth minded as Seattle is hotly debated. Asserting that employment will suffer as fact when it is already well established that the lower income brackets have enormous difficulty getting by in the area is disingenuous.
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On May 02 2014 04:48 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2014 04:42 hunts wrote:
After reading the article on the seattle minimum wage, I can't tell if they just passed this without allowing the people to vote on it, or if this is the proposal that will be up for vote. I will be quite sad if they pushed this through without giving the opposing voice of reason a chance. How are they not giving them a chance to voice their opinion? Has free speech been suspended? I heard something about a concert sponsored by the opponents. Do you think the people should have to vote on everything rather than elect representatives to make decisions on their behalf?
Well I think they should, but that's clearly not how the US system works 
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On May 02 2014 04:48 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2014 04:42 hunts wrote:
After reading the article on the seattle minimum wage, I can't tell if they just passed this without allowing the people to vote on it, or if this is the proposal that will be up for vote. I will be quite sad if they pushed this through without giving the opposing voice of reason a chance. How are they not giving them a chance to voice their opinion? Has free speech been suspended? I heard something about a concert sponsored by the opponents. Do you think the people should have to vote on everything rather than elect representatives to make decisions on their behalf?
I said that because the article implied this already passed and was going into effect without giving the people a chance to vote, however it appears that is not the case. Not giving them a chance to voice their opinion, would be what I originally thought had happened, which is only having this discussed between the city council and whatever other representatives and then enacting it without a public vote. Also the politicians are not motivated by doing the right thing, but by going along with whatever makes them money. If they feel they will be reelected and thus continue getting paid by being in favor of this, they will do what they can to pass it regardless of whether or not they think it is a good idea. Something as big as a nearly 60% minimum wage increase is something that will effect the entire local economy, and not just those making minimum wage, and I believe it is a big enough issue that it deserves a real vote.
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On May 02 2014 02:17 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +Justice Antonin Scalia's factual error in a dissenting opinion Tuesday has become the talk of the legal community as experts puzzle over the extraordinary nature of the Reagan-appointed justice's blunder, which the Supreme Court quietly corrected as of Wednesday morning.
It's common for the Supreme Court to make typographical corrections and insubstantial edits to a decision after its release. But it's exceedingly rare to see a factual error that helps form the basis for an opinion. Legal experts say Scalia's mistake appears to be wholly unprecedented in that it involves a justice flatly misstating core facts from one of his own prior opinions.
"This is a topic I know fair amount about, and I do not know of any other instance when a Justice has mischaracterized one of his own prior opinions, let alone in such a loud fashion and when he is otherwise criticizing others for their blunders," said Richard J. Lazarus, a Harvard law professor. "I strongly doubt it has ever happened before."
"I have seen sloppy footnoting before but nothing this bad," said Garrett Epps, a constitutional law professor at the University of Baltimore.
Dan Farber, a law professor at the University of California, Berkeley, called it "an unusually major mistake, and all the more surprising because Scalia wrote the American Trucking opinion" that he mischaracterized in Tuesday's ruling. Source
One of his clerks is in big trouble.
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On May 02 2014 04:54 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2014 04:48 KwarK wrote:On May 02 2014 04:42 hunts wrote:
After reading the article on the seattle minimum wage, I can't tell if they just passed this without allowing the people to vote on it, or if this is the proposal that will be up for vote. I will be quite sad if they pushed this through without giving the opposing voice of reason a chance. How are they not giving them a chance to voice their opinion? Has free speech been suspended? I heard something about a concert sponsored by the opponents. Do you think the people should have to vote on everything rather than elect representatives to make decisions on their behalf? I said that because the article implied this already passed and was going into effect without giving the people a chance to vote, however it appears that is not the case. Not giving them a chance to voice their opinion, would be what I originally thought had happened, which is only having this discussed between the city council and whatever other representatives and then enacting it without a public vote. Also the politicians are not motivated by doing the right thing, but by going along with whatever makes them money. If they feel they will be reelected and thus continue getting paid by being in favor of this, they will do what they can to pass it regardless of whether or not they think it is a good idea. Something as big as a nearly 60% minimum wage increase is something that will effect the entire local economy, and not just those making minimum wage, and I believe it is a big enough issue that it deserves a real vote.
The people have shown overwhelming support for raising the minimum wage already...
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Politicians were the only ones really standing in the way of the will of the people making it happen anyway. It's Republicans who want to get reelected that are standing in the way of the will of the people as much if not more so than Democrats 'pandering' to them.
But based on your description thus far it doesn't seem you have much knowledge to support your belief that this will cause 'suffering'?
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On May 02 2014 05:15 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2014 04:54 hunts wrote:On May 02 2014 04:48 KwarK wrote:On May 02 2014 04:42 hunts wrote:
After reading the article on the seattle minimum wage, I can't tell if they just passed this without allowing the people to vote on it, or if this is the proposal that will be up for vote. I will be quite sad if they pushed this through without giving the opposing voice of reason a chance. How are they not giving them a chance to voice their opinion? Has free speech been suspended? I heard something about a concert sponsored by the opponents. Do you think the people should have to vote on everything rather than elect representatives to make decisions on their behalf? I said that because the article implied this already passed and was going into effect without giving the people a chance to vote, however it appears that is not the case. Not giving them a chance to voice their opinion, would be what I originally thought had happened, which is only having this discussed between the city council and whatever other representatives and then enacting it without a public vote. Also the politicians are not motivated by doing the right thing, but by going along with whatever makes them money. If they feel they will be reelected and thus continue getting paid by being in favor of this, they will do what they can to pass it regardless of whether or not they think it is a good idea. Something as big as a nearly 60% minimum wage increase is something that will effect the entire local economy, and not just those making minimum wage, and I believe it is a big enough issue that it deserves a real vote. The people have shown overwhelming support for raising the minimum wage already... + Show Spoiler +Politicians were the only ones really standing in the way of the will of the people making it happen anyway. It's Republicans who want to get reelected that are standing in the way of the will of the people as much if not more so than Democrats 'pandering' to them. But based on your description thus far it doesn't seem you have much knowledge to support your belief that this will cause 'suffering'?
Other than economic knowledge, while the people supporting this have absolutely no knowledge, and believe if the minimum wage is raised the world will turn into sunshine and faeries and they will get a pet unicorn, no. But don't let such small things as economics or reality get in the way of raising the cost of living err minimum wage, while also forcing labor cuts in the minimum wage area.
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