u can look at Super's PGT record,He is good at TvT,but when he vs gosu protoss,he almost no chance to win.
0-6 ggon 0-4 much[gm],His tvz is not that good too.

littlechava

United States7221 Posts

April 02 2006 15:31 GMT

#106

all his mu's are around 60%...how is that no chance to win?

zulu_nation8

China26351 Posts

April 02 2006 15:35 GMT

#107

random question, but do people not like him cuz hes ugly? that's not his fault. I know pretty_gg once said hes not consistent, but in what way

linyu)wufan18

1198 Posts

April 02 2006 16:27 GMT

#108

I don't think he is ugly,lol.

zulu_nation8

China26351 Posts

April 02 2006 16:39 GMT

#109

good, i dont either..

Broken.Mind

United States364 Posts

April 02 2006 17:19 GMT

#110

Mondi is the more accomplished player. It doesn't necessarily make him better than Draco though. Also to judge who is better than who off of one series can be misleading. Draco is a monster but I wish he had more consistentcy with his game play. Sometimes he is a beast and can take someone down like iloveoov. At other times he gets beat down like a newbie. Mondi has had his ups and downs but overall he is pretty consistent about bending people over and giving it to them in the butt.

shasin

Romania899 Posts

April 02 2006 18:18 GMT

#111

taking into consideration the achivements over the years you can say that this is a battle between mondragon and androide. Some good games now and then isn't what i call the best. They become the best when they actualy play against the best. Officialy, Androide is the best non-kor, mondragon is very consistent too.

iNsaNe-

Finland5201 Posts

April 02 2006 19:50 GMT

#112

On April 03 2006 03:18 shasin wrote:
Officialy, Androide is the best non-kor.

How?

neotoss

China217 Posts

April 02 2006 19:50 GMT

#113

Is super = 66 = phoenix = The best Chinese T Player ?

haduken

Australia8267 Posts

April 02 2006 20:00 GMT

#114

no... super is super. phoenix is pheonix.

just out of interest, what did mondragon actually achieved?
if you are going to compare wcg results then except for fisheye, the russians and chinese have dominated the placings and both of their scene is not exactly foreign -_-(meaning they keep to themselves alot).
if you are going to compare with pgtour results then super ranked highest out of anyone out side of krea ever.
if you are going to rate this on how many times they beat pros then fisheye is definately the winner since he beat nal_ra once pvp. mondragon won once versus reach but the matchup is -_-.

Btw i think super would do well given a chance. Pj and Lx are naturally handicapped because of their race and they have to work themselves to half death before they can overcome any pro zergs.

Texas

Germany2388 Posts

April 02 2006 20:03 GMT

#115

copy/paste from gg.net :
Achievements:

1st place, DSC 2on2 Tournament

1st place, VIP I-II

1st place, ScT Invite Tournament

3rd place, WGTour Season 3 (1v1)

1st place, WGTour Season 3 (2v2) w/ ToT)LaZer(

1st place, WGTour Season 7 (2v2) w/ ToT)Testie(rS

1st place, GosuGamers Power League #1

1st place, World Class Tournament

1st place, bw4ever Invited Cash Tournament (50€)

2nd place, TLT-Ladder (400€)

1st place, WCG Germany 2004

1st place, WGTour Season 9 (1v1)

1st place, Teamliquid.net Tournament (2v2) w/ ToT)Testie(rS

1st place, ToT Invite Tournament 2004

1st place, Giga Liga Grandslam 2 (2000€)

1st place, Giga Liga Grandslam 4 (2000€)

1st place, Giga Liga Grandslam 5

1st place, Samsung European Championships 2005 (5000€)

1st place, (2005-09-27) » GG22BB (2on2) w/ Testie[pG]

Won with team Europe in Blizzard's Mystery Map Invitational competition against team North America and team Asia

Awarded 2005's Gamer of The Year by GG.Net

1st place GGL Americup

Top 4, The Ace

2nd place, TANL-3

dunno if its up to date, not following his games that much.

CoralReefer

Canada2069 Posts

April 02 2006 20:19 GMT

#116

On April 03 2006 01:39 zulu_nation8 wrote:
good, i dont either..

admit it. u thought he was sexy but you were afraid 2 say it

Liquid`Jinro

Sweden33719 Posts

April 02 2006 20:21 GMT

#117

On April 03 2006 05:00 haduken wrote:
no... super is super. phoenix is pheonix.

just out of interest, what did mondragon actually achieved?
if you are going to compare wcg results then except for fisheye, the russians and chinese have dominated the placings and both of their scene is not exactly foreign -_-(meaning they keep to themselves alot).
if you are going to compare with pgtour results then super ranked highest out of anyone out side of krea ever.
if you are going to rate this on how many times they beat pros then fisheye is definately the winner since he beat nal_ra once pvp. mondragon won once versus reach but the matchup is -_-.

Btw i think super would do well given a chance. Pj and Lx are naturally handicapped because of their race and they have to work themselves to half death before they can overcome any pro zergs.

Hehe, winning a PvP vs a pro is not harder than winning a ZvP vs a Pro. PvP/ZvZ both have quite a bit of build order luck ;o

zulu_nation8

China26351 Posts

April 02 2006 20:24 GMT

#118

On April 03 2006 05:19 ml1710 wrote:

Show nested quote +

admit it. u thought he was sexy but you were afraid 2 say it

i cant say i think hes sexy, not even as a joke

PhilGood2DaY

Germany7424 Posts

April 02 2006 20:29 GMT

#119

At first you have to ask yourself : Are we talking about how good/gosu the players are right now or how good they are/(were) overall.

For sure if we are talking about right now FiSheYe, Androide and ret are no choices, but if they are active they are under the top gamers easily.

Right now i think Draco and Sen are fucking good nowadays . Extra props for mondragon with still doing so good, although the lack of training.. pretty awesome..

And plz do never ask again : who is the best foreigner ?? Cause there is no best foreigner. Not at anytime.. There is a top 10. Thats for sure.. but i'd have a hard time naming a top 5. If you begin to count inactive gamers, too its getting even worse..

So .. there is NO best foreigner...
but there are like 3-5 who are standing above others in accomplishments AND / OR skill .. and there are like 10 who can easily beat each other..
stop this nr.1 foreigner shit
i even hated when they called it the two best foreigners Testie and Mondi in some news or such things, cause it's simply not true and not even proveable..

no nr.1 never..
byebye