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funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
February 27 2006 08:31 GMT
#281
On February 27 2006 17:18 Twisted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2006 15:51 greatmeh wrote:
so is oG gonna re vs ToT, or nothing gonna change?


re what the hell

they should be banned

banned, kicked and slapped from the whole community
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sMaCkEr
Profile Joined October 2005
Peru295 Posts
February 27 2006 08:43 GMT
#282
maybe this happen if really isnt jang
jang cant play and say to a friend to come europe to play for him but freezer didnt know than he wasnt jang O_O just a hipotesis
West op jOinClan
OctoPuSs
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Canada5279 Posts
February 27 2006 08:49 GMT
#283
On February 27 2006 17:43 sMaCkEr wrote:
maybe this happen if really isnt jang
jang cant play and say to a friend to come europe to play for him but freezer didnt know than he wasnt jang O_O just a hipotesis

Probably, but isn't the leader responsible for his members' behaviour? The fact that they are koreans should not be an excuse.
Depression is just a sarcastic state of mind. Liquid`HerO Fighting!
littlechava
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States7221 Posts
February 27 2006 08:54 GMT
#284
plus it sort of destroys the whole arguement about how "they were real members of the team", because if they (or jang i should say) gave a shit about the team he wouldnt blatantly disregard the rules not once, but twice, getting his team in trouble.
Entusman #12
StYm
Profile Joined November 2005
Mexico94 Posts
February 27 2006 08:56 GMT
#285
okok 1st.- midian... Great job finding this
2nd.- oG) is a joke i've always said they are not a team and that answer from testie saying that they didnt used 1 member non korean vs tot, i agree, that was cuz they were afraid and used a worst player than jang , but better than the non koreans..

If i would manage this league i would ban oG) right now , proofs are clearly.

and My Gosu opinion to this is:

oG) banned and gogogo eSa vs Play.it >> winner vs ToT) that would be awesome , and kinda imposible^^ but would be great , looks fair (to me^^)
BW4eVeR!!
Dknight
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States5223 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-02-27 09:13:09
February 27 2006 08:57 GMT
#286
Didn't one of the members have a "2" besides their nickname because they forgot the pass to their 3-0 oG) account? I believe it was Leta.
WGT<3. Former CL/NW head admin.
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
February 27 2006 09:14 GMT
#287
wouldnt be suprising, i dont think any of the accounts have more than 10 games on them (from what? 4 months time?)
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TheBlackJack
Profile Joined December 2004
57 Posts
February 27 2006 09:59 GMT
#288
Hey, the non-koreans in oG didn't know about this account sharing. I don't care if anyone does it to me, but please stop calling my teammates newbs and cheaters when they are on bnet. They had nothing to do with this. There's no need to go on a witch hunt every time you see an oG) tag.
Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
February 27 2006 10:09 GMT
#289
I agree. It's not your nonkorean members who should be blamed, but rather the leaders who seem to have no control over their players.
Live2Win is awesome. Happy new year scarabi!
nArAnjO
Profile Joined October 2002
Peru2571 Posts
February 27 2006 10:09 GMT
#290
keep in mind a lot are no life losers that have nothing better to do than bitch..., my advice is just ignore them
Balance
Profile Joined February 2006
United States11 Posts
February 27 2006 10:10 GMT
#291
Just give oG) an ultimatem. Either they find out who the cause of the account sharing was and ban them, or they get booted from the league. That's my complicated answer, because time may be a factor.

Just ban oG) from the league. No quesitons, no answers, simple power usage. That's my simple answer.


Respek Knuckles.
IcedEarth
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States3661 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-02-27 10:27:23
February 27 2006 10:20 GMT
#292
On February 27 2006 11:14 Twisted wrote:
There we have it. roMAD, StarofNC and MidiaN all are 100% sure it's niSeung ; ).

Zia you should leave oG.


Well I DO know this much: I'm not going to feel any guilt whatsoever because a Korean fucked up. That's his problem, not mine. If the whole community wants to bash oG for an individual's mistake, so be it. I didn't do anything wrong. Neither did Freezer. I'm still a little confused and rather uneasy on the situation though. It does bother me knowing that every single time I log on euro, I get relentlessly verbally abused just because I carry a tag. I'm not sure what I'm going to do yet.
Guardian guardian guardian of the blind
Insane
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States4991 Posts
February 27 2006 10:36 GMT
#293
I summarized this issue here: http://www.wgtour.com/news.php?datab=broodwar&idN=14272
(I tried to provide a balanced side of the view, even though I feel oG) is guilty as hell and should be kicked from the league)
Dknight
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States5223 Posts
February 27 2006 10:40 GMT
#294
The managers of a team need to be responsible for their players. Even though it isn't Freezer's fault, as team leader he has to accept responsibility.

Though if you want to blame Freezer (don't know why you would in the first place, not the point though) because hes a manager of the team, atleast blame Dev, Zoxxer, Kentaro, Dinnin, Seaman, Yoon, and AngelicFrost. With the exception of Dev (oG admin), the rest are "Management."
WGT<3. Former CL/NW head admin.
Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
February 27 2006 10:44 GMT
#295
Thats alot of management

With a big management like that they shouldnt have the problems which now have occured.
Live2Win is awesome. Happy new year scarabi!
ItchReliever
Profile Joined April 2004
2489 Posts
February 27 2006 10:49 GMT
#296
stop calling them koreans, they have names you know.
NubainMuscle
Profile Joined June 2005
South Africa423 Posts
February 27 2006 11:25 GMT
#297
On February 27 2006 00:34 dev wrote:
uh.. there is no proof here dude.. its 100% real jang
those screens are from jang's tvt and tvp vs his tvz vs control.
look at jang's tvz games.. and the thing about the command centre those are at different times.... hes no sherlok just a fool.


This statement leads me to believe that dev was entirely aware of the substitution.
An honest, competent manager would thoroughly investigate this matter before abruptly declaring his absolute certainty. Since the proof is hard to ignore, they have devised a new strategy: blame it on their korean all-stars. If they were truly ignorant, as they now claim, they would never blindly come to Jang's defense in this manner.

Lets face it. They got caught and are now attempting to save-face by selling out Sea.
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TheBlackJack
Profile Joined December 2004
57 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-02-27 12:05:14
February 27 2006 11:55 GMT
#298
On February 27 2006 20:25 NubainMuscle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2006 00:34 dev wrote:
uh.. there is no proof here dude.. its 100% real jang
those screens are from jang's tvt and tvp vs his tvz vs control.
look at jang's tvz games.. and the thing about the command centre those are at different times.... hes no sherlok just a fool.


This statement leads me to believe that dev was entirely aware of the substitution.
An honest, competent manager would thoroughly investigate this matter before abruptly declaring his absolute certainty. Since the proof is hard to ignore, they have devised a new strategy: blame it on their korean all-stars. If they were truly ignorant, as they now claim, they would never blindly come to Jang's defense in this manner.

Lets face it. They got caught and are now attempting to save-face by selling out Sea.


And you determined that just from Dev's post? I don't see the connection. Either way, you should join up with the NYPD. They have so many unsolved murders, you could take care of half of them in a day. I don't think Dev was even online during the clan war. Perhaps a better explanation for Dev's post would be that he was totally clueless to the account sharing and his post was an instinctual reaction to criticism of something he was apart of. Much like people will naturally defend their country or political party. If he was in on it, do you think he would knowingly flame someone who was stating the truth just so he could look twice as dumb when he was proven wrong?

I don't believe Freezer or any of the other non-korean members knew about this. About a half hour before the clan war "oG)Leta2" join op oG) asking what was the password for oG)Jang. Freezer seemed kind of ignorant to what was going on saying "lol you forgot your own pass?" I thought it was pretty fishy, but I was too tired to care. I don't really read much of what is going on in setting up the clan war. I usually wake up a half hour before the clan war, join the channel so they know that I am going to show up, and then go back to sleep for another half hour. Although if I was manager of oG) and responsible for setting the draw, I'm certain I would have figured out that they were screwing around on their accounts. Hindsight is 20/20

But with all due respect, to suggest that anyone in the non-korean management was aware of the situation is just plain stupid. Before the clan war started, Geoff told midian to check the hotkeys of all the matches. It's extremely easy to see if someone is account sharing, and oG)Jang has been busted for this in the past. Even then, I hear oG)Jy also showed up to the clan war and was an available substitute. Do you believe oG) made a collective decision to try to get away with account sharing, knowing that ToT would be checking the replays afterwards, knowing they were penalized for this in the past, and knowing that there was another korean just as good waiting on the bench?
NubainMuscle
Profile Joined June 2005
South Africa423 Posts
February 27 2006 12:12 GMT
#299
If Dev was not online during the clanwar, then on what grounds can he claim he was 100% sure it was the real oG)Jang?
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TheBlackJack
Profile Joined December 2004
57 Posts
February 27 2006 12:15 GMT
#300
none?
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