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wassbix
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada499 Posts
April 16 2012 12:27 GMT
#301
On the bright side, BW fans can finally get a good night sleep since we can skip on watching live . (God bless vods)
psychotics
Profile Joined July 2011
United States184 Posts
April 16 2012 12:29 GMT
#302
just want to get this out there. while i understand BW fans feelings and in no way mean any disrespect to them, I wish they would realize that SC2 is extremely new and unexplored. BW did not come out of the gate with prefect Builds and perfect mechanics and the epic insanely awesome play we see today. we are already see more and more thought out and "perfected" strategies. the game is still developing so seeing the best and most talented BW players switching over to SC2 will only mean that SC2 will reach the point BW is at faster and we will see better SC2 matches hopefully on the same scale of epicness of the BW games now. my advice give it a chance and time BW is not dead yet.
Valkyriie
Profile Joined March 2012
Finland19 Posts
April 16 2012 12:34 GMT
#303
On April 16 2012 15:59 TemujinGK wrote:

Starcraft 2 indeed has failed us


I see this argument quite often. Could you please elaborate?
Vuk_91
Profile Joined September 2010
Serbia1690 Posts
April 16 2012 12:34 GMT
#304
On April 16 2012 21:27 wassbix wrote:
On the bright side, BW fans can finally get a good night sleep since we can skip on watching live . (God bless vods)

Thank you for bringing up the bright side of this news :D
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5599 Posts
April 16 2012 12:34 GMT
#305
We have to do something to stop this. I just don't know what. They can't kill the best game ever.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
0ne
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Spain2464 Posts
April 16 2012 12:35 GMT
#306
On April 16 2012 21:27 Eee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2012 21:04 Gosi wrote:
On April 16 2012 20:59 Ribbon wrote:
On April 16 2012 20:57 Gosi wrote:
I like how only sc2 fans (with that I mean people who don't care for BW and it's scene now or before) are trying to ridicule the skill and talent the current A-teamers have by saying how BW is only mechanics etc and are using people like BoxeR, July, NaDa and ForGG to prove a point how BW players won't own SC2. Meanwhile the top players are people who wasn't even "good" BW progamers or progamers at all but all of them have BW background.

The 3 best terrans are a Woongjin Terran, MBC HERO Protoss b-teamer and SKT Terran b-teamer. The 3 best zergs are a former 2v2 player and coach, Terran practice partner for CJ, and one amateur A-rank player on iccup. The 3 best tosses are MBC Hero b-teamer, FOX b-teamer and Sparkyz b-teamer.

If these people can become the top of sc2 then sure as hell any A-teamer of today could too if they just put their mind and time into it.


Hyun

What about HyuN? Yeah, he is at the same stage as ByuL. Both playing since what, like christmas and both of them are already playing against the top players everyday on ladder, but not fit for competition. Like I said, they need time but they need to put effort into it and that is what HyuN and ByuL is doing right now. You are fucking silly.

On April 16 2012 20:57 howLiN wrote:
On April 16 2012 20:57 Gosi wrote:
I like how only sc2 fans (with that I mean people who don't care for BW and it's scene now or before) are trying to ridicule the skill and talent the current A-teamers have by saying how BW is only mechanics etc and are using people like BoxeR, July, NaDa and ForGG to prove a point how BW players won't own SC2. Meanwhile the top players are people who wasn't even "good" BW progamers or progamers at all but all of them have BW background.

Um, no one said that.

Yes, you see it everywhere as soon as this BW vs Sc2 topic pops up.

Hyun joined TSL in November and stated he started playing a month prior to joining them. that gives us six months, everybody who's seen HyuN play recently knows that the guy has an awful gamesense and sense of strategy. He basically just maxes out on a unit then a-moves and then keeps doing that until he wins or loses. T_T

However I do not support the argument that bw players are mechanics-only, but BW and SC2 are different games. Your skill can translate over to starcraft 2, but it can certainly not do it as well. bw skill does not = sc2 skill. that is the most stupid argument ever. a BW player most likely has a slightly bigger advantage over a player from wc3/c&c/etc. but just slightly.

Yeah but Hyun was actually quite bad at BW too
Fubi
Profile Joined March 2011
2228 Posts
April 16 2012 12:36 GMT
#307
I don't get why these two games can't co-exists, just as how basketball and hockey co-exists, or how Street Fighter and Tekken scene co-exists. Why must they try to kill off BW instead of just letting the players choose whichever they want to play? This is pretty retarded move.
shaftofpleasure
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (North)1375 Posts
April 16 2012 12:36 GMT
#308
On April 16 2012 21:27 wassbix wrote:
On the bright side, BW fans can finally get a good night sleep since we can skip on watching live . (God bless vods)


That's going to be sad since the epicness couldn't compare. Live >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VoDs
It's either the holes of my nose are getting smaller or my fingers are getting bigger. /// Always Rooting for the Underdog. Hyuk/Sin/Jaehoon/Juni/Hyvva/Hoejja/Canata //// Hiding in thread somewhere where BW is still in it's pure form here on TL.
wassbix
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada499 Posts
April 16 2012 12:37 GMT
#309
On April 16 2012 21:35 0ne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2012 21:27 Eee wrote:
On April 16 2012 21:04 Gosi wrote:
On April 16 2012 20:59 Ribbon wrote:
On April 16 2012 20:57 Gosi wrote:
I like how only sc2 fans (with that I mean people who don't care for BW and it's scene now or before) are trying to ridicule the skill and talent the current A-teamers have by saying how BW is only mechanics etc and are using people like BoxeR, July, NaDa and ForGG to prove a point how BW players won't own SC2. Meanwhile the top players are people who wasn't even "good" BW progamers or progamers at all but all of them have BW background.

The 3 best terrans are a Woongjin Terran, MBC HERO Protoss b-teamer and SKT Terran b-teamer. The 3 best zergs are a former 2v2 player and coach, Terran practice partner for CJ, and one amateur A-rank player on iccup. The 3 best tosses are MBC Hero b-teamer, FOX b-teamer and Sparkyz b-teamer.

If these people can become the top of sc2 then sure as hell any A-teamer of today could too if they just put their mind and time into it.


Hyun

What about HyuN? Yeah, he is at the same stage as ByuL. Both playing since what, like christmas and both of them are already playing against the top players everyday on ladder, but not fit for competition. Like I said, they need time but they need to put effort into it and that is what HyuN and ByuL is doing right now. You are fucking silly.

On April 16 2012 20:57 howLiN wrote:
On April 16 2012 20:57 Gosi wrote:
I like how only sc2 fans (with that I mean people who don't care for BW and it's scene now or before) are trying to ridicule the skill and talent the current A-teamers have by saying how BW is only mechanics etc and are using people like BoxeR, July, NaDa and ForGG to prove a point how BW players won't own SC2. Meanwhile the top players are people who wasn't even "good" BW progamers or progamers at all but all of them have BW background.

Um, no one said that.

Yes, you see it everywhere as soon as this BW vs Sc2 topic pops up.

Hyun joined TSL in November and stated he started playing a month prior to joining them. that gives us six months, everybody who's seen HyuN play recently knows that the guy has an awful gamesense and sense of strategy. He basically just maxes out on a unit then a-moves and then keeps doing that until he wins or loses. T_T

However I do not support the argument that bw players are mechanics-only, but BW and SC2 are different games. Your skill can translate over to starcraft 2, but it can certainly not do it as well. bw skill does not = sc2 skill. that is the most stupid argument ever. a BW player most likely has a slightly bigger advantage over a player from wc3/c&c/etc. but just slightly.

Yeah but Hyun was actually quite bad at BW too


Not only that Hyun's only saving grace was his Muta micro in BW XD
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
April 16 2012 12:38 GMT
#310
On April 16 2012 21:29 psychotics wrote:
just want to get this out there. while i understand BW fans feelings and in no way mean any disrespect to them, I wish they would realize that SC2 is extremely new and unexplored. BW did not come out of the gate with prefect Builds and perfect mechanics and the epic insanely awesome play we see today. we are already see more and more thought out and "perfected" strategies. the game is still developing so seeing the best and most talented BW players switching over to SC2 will only mean that SC2 will reach the point BW is at faster and we will see better SC2 matches hopefully on the same scale of epicness of the BW games now. my advice give it a chance and time BW is not dead yet.


This is assuming the games are equals in gameplay, strategic depth, etc. Years of COD won't make it Counter-Strike. SC2 has given plenty of time to develop, and it honestly hasn't in my opinion (beyond changing builds to suit various nerfs/buffs)

It's just as likely (more so actually) that one game just plain isn't as good as the other. Either way it's getting its shot, whether you think it will flourish and start a new era of Korean esports or it's an albatross is irrelevant, time will tell.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45374 Posts
April 16 2012 12:39 GMT
#311
The ace match will always be BW? This seems rather random.

Also: cue the Darth Vader "NOOOOO!!!" x.x
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
April 16 2012 12:39 GMT
#312
BW did not come out of the gate with prefect Builds and perfect mechanics and the epic insanely awesome play we see today. we are already see more and more thought out and "perfected" strategies


BW isn't chess you don't move pieces to x and than check mate I win it isn't perfect . If it is flash would have a 100% win rate because his builds are some how always design to out play his opponent in which he can gain a significant advantage from there. Calm probably would have a 100% win rate because if you see his play he really put's time in to the strategy department..
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
Vuk_91
Profile Joined September 2010
Serbia1690 Posts
April 16 2012 12:40 GMT
#313
On April 16 2012 21:29 psychotics wrote:
just want to get this out there. while i understand BW fans feelings and in no way mean any disrespect to them, I wish they would realize that SC2 is extremely new and unexplored. BW did not come out of the gate with prefect Builds and perfect mechanics and the epic insanely awesome play we see today. we are already see more and more thought out and "perfected" strategies. the game is still developing so seeing the best and most talented BW players switching over to SC2 will only mean that SC2 will reach the point BW is at faster and we will see better SC2 matches hopefully on the same scale of epicness of the BW games now. my advice give it a chance and time BW is not dead yet.

BW was god damn awesome even in 1999. (For me at least). If SC2 sucks for me now,it will suck forever. And it doesn`t have to do anything with strategies,just the look and gameplay.
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
April 16 2012 12:40 GMT
#314
On April 16 2012 21:29 psychotics wrote:
just want to get this out there. while i understand BW fans feelings and in no way mean any disrespect to them, I wish they would realize that SC2 is extremely new and unexplored. BW did not come out of the gate with prefect Builds and perfect mechanics and the epic insanely awesome play we see today. we are already see more and more thought out and "perfected" strategies. the game is still developing so seeing the best and most talented BW players switching over to SC2 will only mean that SC2 will reach the point BW is at faster and we will see better SC2 matches hopefully on the same scale of epicness of the BW games now. my advice give it a chance and time BW is not dead yet.

No you and 99% of people who says that DO NOT understand, medieval aged BW was as exciting for people back then as it is now. Even pre-boxer era Grrr.... was highly regarded in Korean community then Boxer came and the hell break loose . People were fainting when they saw his marines/dropship antics on 1 base and 150 apm. IT WAS EXCITING

And thats where the crux is, BW is amazing on micro and macro scale, because how fast paced SC2 is its hard to achive those micro scale glories you got in BW, by the 10 minute mark a dropship with 2 tanks is useless in SC2 while it still can give u a boner in BW. etc etc etc
Stork[gm]
Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
April 16 2012 12:42 GMT
#315
Man, I just realized, I don't really have a reason to come to TL anymore if there's no more BW coverage, all the other stuff I do in TL is crap I do while waiting for BW games.
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5599 Posts
April 16 2012 12:42 GMT
#316
Yeah.. end of BW would mean the end of TL too for me.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
shaftofpleasure
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (North)1375 Posts
April 16 2012 12:45 GMT
#317
On April 16 2012 21:42 Elroi wrote:
Yeah.. end of BW would mean the end of TL too for me.


My sentiments, exactly. I'm glad I'm not alone on this one.
It's either the holes of my nose are getting smaller or my fingers are getting bigger. /// Always Rooting for the Underdog. Hyuk/Sin/Jaehoon/Juni/Hyvva/Hoejja/Canata //// Hiding in thread somewhere where BW is still in it's pure form here on TL.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
April 16 2012 12:45 GMT
#318
God. Despite not following BW on a daily or even weekly basis anymore, just knowing that it's there for me when I need THE game with which I can really cuddle..

Don't leave me please! =/


There are so many girls out there to have fun with, but there is only one Brood War.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
kaleidoscope
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Singapore2887 Posts
April 16 2012 12:51 GMT
#319
same same for me.. i pretty much only came to TL for BW and blog sections..

i tried watching SC2, but it didnt last.. probably cos i'm too busy to dedicate time to that (i also gave up the blog section)
대지따라 돌린게 시간이다.. 흘러가고 돌아오지도 않고..
petro1987
Profile Joined May 2009
Brazil374 Posts
April 16 2012 12:51 GMT
#320
On April 16 2012 21:40 bgx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2012 21:29 psychotics wrote:
just want to get this out there. while i understand BW fans feelings and in no way mean any disrespect to them, I wish they would realize that SC2 is extremely new and unexplored. BW did not come out of the gate with prefect Builds and perfect mechanics and the epic insanely awesome play we see today. we are already see more and more thought out and "perfected" strategies. the game is still developing so seeing the best and most talented BW players switching over to SC2 will only mean that SC2 will reach the point BW is at faster and we will see better SC2 matches hopefully on the same scale of epicness of the BW games now. my advice give it a chance and time BW is not dead yet.

No you and 99% of people who says that DO NOT understand, medieval aged BW was as exciting for people back then as it is now. Even pre-boxer era Grrr.... was highly regarded in Korean community then Boxer came and the hell break loose . People were fainting when they saw his marines/dropship antics on 1 base and 150 apm. IT WAS EXCITING

And thats where the crux is, BW is amazing on micro and macro scale, because how fast paced SC2 is its hard to achive those micro scale glories you got in BW, by the 10 minute mark a dropship with 2 tanks is useless in SC2 while it still can give u a boner in BW. etc etc etc



This a 100%. SC2 fans come here saying things like: "Give it time. You can't compare a game that has developed for 10 years with a game that only had 2 years". The thing is: BW has developed for 10 years (more actually), but the game was already pretty fucking good back then. The game didn't take 10 years to become good, it was great back then and has been great all the while.

I also don't get this "let's enjoy SC2 now because one day it'll be good". What's the reasoning behind this? Hell, if one day SC2 actually becomes good, we'll enjoy it, but for now they should keep the BW leagues for BW is the better game now (and will probably always be).
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