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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
March 31 2012 18:38 GMT
#121
Sol,

Not like this hasn't happened before with unpaid players. I remember it happening to a lot of amateur foreigners in BW up until now, however. It's almost April 1st. I think you guys might want to wait to react to something like this and let it play out.
Noobity
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States871 Posts
March 31 2012 18:40 GMT
#122
If this ends up being an april fool's joke I'm going to go out of my way to never support anything any involved are a part of. This kind of shit hurts the entire community and the legitimacy of eSports in general. This isn't blizzard announcing pandaren as another race in starcraft, this is your girlfriend telling you she's 3 months late when you're barely making rent as it is. A serious and possibly scary situation that isn't funny in the least. I trust this isn't the case.

I hope it was just a big misunderstanding, otherwise we got some shit goin' down.
My name is Mike, and statistically, yours is not.
Telsh
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States148 Posts
March 31 2012 18:44 GMT
#123
They were still posting links on their team facebook site yesterday, it reads like a joke to me
SolHeiM
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1264 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-31 18:45:51
March 31 2012 18:44 GMT
#124
On April 01 2012 03:38 StarStruck wrote:
Sol,

Not like this hasn't happened before with unpaid players. I remember it happening to a lot of amateur foreigners in BW up until now, however. It's almost April 1st. I think you guys might want to wait to react to something like this and let it play out.


Yes, and my point is that if it is an April Fool's (mind you, it's not April 1st in Finland, and Welmu is from Finland) it's an April Fool's that only hurts the organization. There is nothing positive that can come out of the players announcing publicly that the organization they are representing is not reimbursing players for expenses they promised to reimburse them for, and that they have been unable to make contact with management for two whole weeks.

My point that if it's an April Fool's joke, it's an absolutely terrible one, and that a "LOL APRIL FOOLS JK HAHA" is not going to make everyone go "hehe lol I see what you did there."
LucidZerg
Profile Joined August 2011
United States30 Posts
March 31 2012 18:45 GMT
#125
Horrible situation if this is true; horrible joke if it isn't. Not so good either way.
NexUmbra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Scotland3776 Posts
March 31 2012 18:46 GMT
#126
On April 01 2012 03:38 SolHeiM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2012 03:34 NexUmbra wrote:
On April 01 2012 03:16 SolHeiM wrote:
On April 01 2012 03:11 NexUmbra wrote:
On April 01 2012 02:50 SolHeiM wrote:
On April 01 2012 02:43 -Trippin- wrote:
Imagine of this really is just an April fools joke. All the people who posted above me would look so god damn retarded.


This is the worst April Fool's joke ever, if it's an April Fool's joke. I once thought it would be a funny April Fool's joke to get a genuine HIV test, and change everything so that it says that I'm HIV positive and post it on my facebook wall because I thought it would be funny. Thankfully I thought twice and realized that the potential future negative aspects of claiming I have HIV when I do not severely outweighed anything positive that could come out of it.

That is sort of the equivalent of what this is, because even if it was a joke, it's a joke that hurts Eclypsia more than it gains them anything. It doesn't display good humor and doesn't put their organization in a positive light what so ever. If this is a joke I would expect sponsors to pull out immediately. I wouldn't want my brand associated with an organization whose management thinks it's funny to announce to the world that they're a shit organization who won't reimburse players for flights and hotel, dodges attempted communication and potentially runs off with sponsor money.


Well there is a famous phrase "bad publicity is good publicity" and because Eclypsia are not a well known team maybe they are doing this just to get publicity. I mean it would fucking so stupid but more stupid things have been done.


No. The famous phrase is, (and I'm paraphrasing), ~Any publicity is good publicity~ Bad publicity is the exact opposite of good, which is bad. This is not in any way good publicity. This only hurts their organization.


Good publicity = Good publicity

Bad(any) publicity = Good publicity

Hence any publicity = Good publicity... same thing said differently...

Also you can't compare this to orb, soooooooooooooooooo different.


The orb situation blasted EG with so much bad publicity that they were forced to fire him. Can you explain that to me how it was good publicity for EG or orb? All forms of publicity are not created equal. There is a point of no return where bad publicity hurts the organization.

It's a discussion on when publicity hurts organizations. It's not different at all, because in both cases it will end up hurting the organization.


EG doesn't any need any publicity as they are already incredibly famous and it wasn't a conscious decision by EG to say "ok lets unearth these old replays of Orb calling people niggers on ladder"

I can see why someone(who is awfully stupid) could say that they just want to spread awareness of their team,
Life has won two GSLs and a Blizzard Cup. NOT three GSLs.
NexUmbra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Scotland3776 Posts
March 31 2012 18:47 GMT
#127
On April 01 2012 03:44 SolHeiM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2012 03:38 StarStruck wrote:
Sol,

Not like this hasn't happened before with unpaid players. I remember it happening to a lot of amateur foreigners in BW up until now, however. It's almost April 1st. I think you guys might want to wait to react to something like this and let it play out.


Yes, and my point is that if it is an April Fool's (mind you, it's not April 1st in Finland, and Welmu is from Finland)


Well I don't see how this is completely relevant as threads such as "Happy birthday X" are always made on the date in Korea
Life has won two GSLs and a Blizzard Cup. NOT three GSLs.
FloKi
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1490 Posts
March 31 2012 18:48 GMT
#128
hope this is a aprils fool joke,if not this is terrible.
Where do whores go?
Snuggles
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1865 Posts
March 31 2012 18:48 GMT
#129
It's if its a joke then it is a terrible one. They fess up if they want to start putting in some damage control. Otherwise they really are scammers.
Signum
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada99 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-31 18:54:12
March 31 2012 18:54 GMT
#130
'This is not an Eclypsia april fools joke because these three Eclypsia employees said...'

*facepalm*

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SolHeiM
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1264 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-31 18:57:46
March 31 2012 18:55 GMT
#131
On April 01 2012 03:46 NexUmbra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2012 03:38 SolHeiM wrote:
On April 01 2012 03:34 NexUmbra wrote:
On April 01 2012 03:16 SolHeiM wrote:
On April 01 2012 03:11 NexUmbra wrote:
On April 01 2012 02:50 SolHeiM wrote:
On April 01 2012 02:43 -Trippin- wrote:
Imagine of this really is just an April fools joke. All the people who posted above me would look so god damn retarded.


This is the worst April Fool's joke ever, if it's an April Fool's joke. I once thought it would be a funny April Fool's joke to get a genuine HIV test, and change everything so that it says that I'm HIV positive and post it on my facebook wall because I thought it would be funny. Thankfully I thought twice and realized that the potential future negative aspects of claiming I have HIV when I do not severely outweighed anything positive that could come out of it.

That is sort of the equivalent of what this is, because even if it was a joke, it's a joke that hurts Eclypsia more than it gains them anything. It doesn't display good humor and doesn't put their organization in a positive light what so ever. If this is a joke I would expect sponsors to pull out immediately. I wouldn't want my brand associated with an organization whose management thinks it's funny to announce to the world that they're a shit organization who won't reimburse players for flights and hotel, dodges attempted communication and potentially runs off with sponsor money.


Well there is a famous phrase "bad publicity is good publicity" and because Eclypsia are not a well known team maybe they are doing this just to get publicity. I mean it would fucking so stupid but more stupid things have been done.


No. The famous phrase is, (and I'm paraphrasing), ~Any publicity is good publicity~ Bad publicity is the exact opposite of good, which is bad. This is not in any way good publicity. This only hurts their organization.


Good publicity = Good publicity

Bad(any) publicity = Good publicity

Hence any publicity = Good publicity... same thing said differently...

Also you can't compare this to orb, soooooooooooooooooo different.


The orb situation blasted EG with so much bad publicity that they were forced to fire him. Can you explain that to me how it was good publicity for EG or orb? All forms of publicity are not created equal. There is a point of no return where bad publicity hurts the organization.

It's a discussion on when publicity hurts organizations. It's not different at all, because in both cases it will end up hurting the organization.


EG doesn't any need any publicity as they are already incredibly famous and it wasn't a conscious decision by EG to say "ok lets unearth these old replays of Orb calling people niggers on ladder"

I can see why someone(who is awfully stupid) could say that they just want to spread awareness of their team,


The point I'm trying to argue is that the backlash from this publicity will end up being more negative than it will be positive. It doesn't matter if everyone is looking at your team if no sponsor wants to be associated with your team. Would you want your brand to be associated with a team whose management thinks this type of joke is funny?

It has nothing to do with an active decision on anyone's part. EG didn't look for old replays of orb doing anything, the community unearthed those relics and did what they could to get orb fired.

When orb was suddenly the talk of the town on reddit and on TL, he went form being quite an up-and-coming caster, known to some with decent exposure, to a "superstar" over night and everyone was looking at him. Everyone knew who orb was all of a sudden, but the publicity was bad. EG didn't want their brand associated with the bad publicity that orb would bring to their organization if they kept him on, so they had to fire him.
taldarimAltar
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
973 Posts
March 31 2012 18:57 GMT
#132
If this is a joke I don't think it hurts their rep as much as you all make it out to be, it's not like you'll root against EC just because of an april fools joke... Don't know abt sponsors though they might see it another way, never heard of EC before this post lol, so props to them, good marketing move, if it aint a joke that is
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-31 19:00:24
March 31 2012 18:58 GMT
#133
If this is an April Foools joke, Eclypsia is the dumbest org in the history of history.
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1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
March 31 2012 18:58 GMT
#134
If this is an April Fools Joke don't ever expect any support from me for your team, absolutely nothing funny about shit like this.
If it isn't, then my condolences are for you, but in the business world you should never think something just on someone's word alone, unless you can prove they said it.
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NtsenG
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada35 Posts
March 31 2012 18:59 GMT
#135
iono why anyone would want a career in as progamer in the first place.. it just doesnt pay off

your situation sucks extra though
NeWeNiyaLord
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Norway2474 Posts
March 31 2012 18:59 GMT
#136
What if the team never actually existed, and the managers and the players were just doing all of this for fun.
Making the site.
announce players.
and make it look like this was just a new low budget team, just for the lolz. Then I'd laugh!

Anyway I'm sure it isn't, and I'm sad that things turned out this way. Hope you guys get your money and all of this is solved soon.
This is where we begin. Show your true self, Battosai.
SolHeiM
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1264 Posts
March 31 2012 19:01 GMT
#137
On April 01 2012 03:59 NtsenG wrote:
iono why anyone would want a career in as progamer in the first place.. it just doesnt pay off

your situation sucks extra though


Not everyone does a job of work to become a millionaire. Some people want to do something they enjoy doing. I don't understand what your point is.
idonthinksobro
Profile Joined December 2010
3138 Posts
March 31 2012 19:03 GMT
#138
1 april so it probably is not a serious thread.
NeWeNiyaLord
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Norway2474 Posts
March 31 2012 19:03 GMT
#139
On April 01 2012 04:01 SolHeiM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2012 03:59 NtsenG wrote:
iono why anyone would want a career in as progamer in the first place.. it just doesnt pay off

your situation sucks extra though


Not everyone does a job of work to become a millionaire. Some people want to do something they enjoy doing. I don't understand what your point is.

He's obviously in the wrong place to post something like that.
This is where we begin. Show your true self, Battosai.
Roynalf
Profile Joined August 2011
Finland886 Posts
March 31 2012 19:05 GMT
#140
I think this is some joke to get attention to count down timer on their web site, if I would have been Welmu I would have waited 1 day to see first what is that count down about.
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