EPTTrayvon Martin 17yo Kid Shot to Death - Page 16
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This is a sensitive and complex issue, please do not make comments without first reading the facts, which are cataloged in the OP. | ||
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RyuChus
Canada442 Posts
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Tektos
Australia1321 Posts
That is the most stupid shit I've ever heard in my life! He clearly pursued the kid (against the advice of the police over the phone) and is now claiming self defense... what has this world come to. Poor kid, I sincerely hope justice gets served. | ||
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
On March 22 2012 13:06 Zennith wrote: Because if someone is threatening to kill you with a gun YOU wouldn't try to get his weapon away from him when running is no longer an option? What does this have to do with this story ? What evidence do we have the Zimmerman was threatening to kill the kid ? What evidence do we have that running away was not an option ? We don't know at what point the kid realized Zimmerman had a gun. We don't know at what point Zimmerman pulled out the gun. Obviously being caught in bed with the wife of a man who is standing over me at gunpoint is different than being approached as I walk down the street when I have no reason to think they want me dead. I would have no choice but to fight for the man's gun if I've just been caught banging his wife, but for somebody patrolling their neighborhood, I would frankly tell them exactly what I was doing, and mention that I appreciate them looking out for the neighborhood. I would not find need to fight him and try to take his gun from him. But then, that's me. | ||
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Lockitupv2
United States496 Posts
On March 22 2012 13:12 RyuChus wrote: I'd consider this murder. Based on evidence given to public, the boy was unarmed. You can't call that self defence. Who uses a gun to shoot an unarmed boy. As a 24(?) year old man you should have to SHOOT a boy to protect yourself. Also how does Zimmerman know he's up to no good at all. I mean a reasonable conversation should be at least attempted before you do whatever you're going to do. So if I'm walking down the street and some hooligan starts beating my butt, and I shoot him, that cant be self defense? I cant believe that, nor does age have anything to do with it. "As a 24(?) year old man you shouldnt have to SHOOT a boy to protect yourself." Is what I think you meant. This is not true as well. | ||
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Wrongspeedy
United States1655 Posts
On March 22 2012 09:30 dAPhREAk wrote: he sounds like a dipshit to me and most likely guilty. lets get that out there right at the beginning. but that doesnt mean he didn't legitimately feared for his life and shot the kid in self defense. and the fact that he was running with a loaded gun doesnt automatically say that he didnt act in self defense. i understand he is not a cop. i was just addressing the point that him running after the kid with a loaded gun somehow presumes it wasn't self defense. There are a bunch of pages here that I'm not gonna read. I understand why your sticking up for certain things in the legal system dAPhrREAk. But all I can do is feel bad for the victim. Think about how he felt when a stranger he noticed was watching and following him started to chase him with a gun. I honestly would not be surpised if Zimmerman actually commanded him to stop at gunpoint at some point during the chase. Thats a scary situation, and one you don't have time to rationalize. Zimmerman is guilty just because he chose not to listen to dispatchers when they told him not to persue (for the very same reason, someone could get hurt or die, in a misunderstanding). I don't even think it was an accident though. Those screams I don't think came from Zimmerman, it sounds like he executed that kid. + Show Spoiler + On March 22 2012 13:15 Kaitlin wrote: What does this have to do with this story ? What evidence do we have the Zimmerman was threatening to kill the kid ? What evidence do we have that running away was not an option ? We don't know at what point the kid realized Zimmerman had a gun. We don't know at what point Zimmerman pulled out the gun. Obviously being caught in bed with the wife of a man who is standing over me at gunpoint is different than being approached as I walk down the street when I have no reason to think they want me dead. I would have no choice but to fight for the man's gun if I've just been caught banging his wife, but for somebody patrolling their neighborhood, I would frankly tell them exactly what I was doing, and mention that I appreciate them looking out for the neighborhood. I would not find need to fight him and try to take his gun from him. But then, that's me. He wasn't patroling the neighborhood in a uniform. He chased someone he did not know into someones yard. I'm positive you would not be calm cool and collected in that situation (250 pound unknown hispanic male chasing you with a gun). Probably telling you "Stop or I will shoot, the police are coming" shit like that. Would you really trust that person? Or would part of you question their legitimacy to stop you in the first place (you did nothing wrong). I'm pretty sure he couldn't just say "I haven't done anything, let me go". Zimmerman doesn't sound like he would respond to that either. He knew this kid was up to no good the second he saw him. | ||
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Lockitupv2
United States496 Posts
On March 22 2012 13:15 Tektos wrote: How does something like the Stand your Ground law pass in a single state let alone 20+? That is the most stupid shit I've ever heard in my life! He clearly pursued the kid (against the advice of the police over the phone) and is now claiming self defense... what has this world come to. Poor kid, I sincerely hope justice gets served. It has good intentions and positive effects, outside of this, it just needs better tuning. The Florida version is very vague others arent. | ||
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reesTHEman
United States11 Posts
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nath
United States1788 Posts
On March 22 2012 09:27 albis wrote: so having not been there, having read an article, this guys in jail for the rest of his life? you don't see a fault in that? you are missing the point, most likely deliberately to argue for the sake of arguing. the point is not that he should be in for life automatically, NO ONE was saying that, they are saying that he should have at least been taken into custody, or at least investigated/alcohol tested (voice was slurred a lot) | ||
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nath
United States1788 Posts
On March 22 2012 13:17 Lockitupv2 wrote: So if I'm walking down the street and some hooligan starts beating my butt, and I shoot him, that cant be self defense? I cant believe that, nor does age have anything to do with it. "As a 24(?) year old man you shouldnt have to SHOOT a boy to protect yourself." Is what I think you meant. This is not true as well. read the article, and the evidence. breathe. calm down. the stupid hypotheticals you describe have nothing to do with this murder. | ||
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Lockitupv2
United States496 Posts
On March 22 2012 13:25 nath wrote: read the article, and the evidence. breathe. calm down. the stupid hypotheticals you describe have nothing to do with this murder. I read the OP. I was replying to his post. | ||
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Ben...
Canada3485 Posts
To be honest, it wouldn't shock me that if Zimmerman were to get away with this (which sadly is a possibility) he might end up dead anyway. It's reported he's already had numerous death threats, so much so that he had to move. I think it would be quite interesting if someone offed him then claimed it under "Stand Your Ground" and self-defense because they felt threatened by him and then got away with it. | ||
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BloodNinja
United States2791 Posts
On March 22 2012 12:55 dAPhREAk wrote: well, according to the CNN article, they are doing voice analysis to see who was actually calling for help. its unclear whether it was the kid. plus, zimmerman apparently got bloodied so there was some confrontation, and he may have been calling for help. Along the lines of waiting to see all the evidence but on the other side of the fence of your points, just because Zimmerman was bloodied doesn't mean Martin inflicted any of those injuries or that Zimmerman's alleged cries for help were legitimate. In the DC area, we just recently had a case where the murderer staged the crime scene and injured herself (and then later restrained herself) in order to claim the she and the murdered woman were the victims of brutal rape/robbery and attempt to cover up the murder. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lululemon#2011_.22Lululemon_murder.22 | ||
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RIPJAWS
Canada26 Posts
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
This is 100% pre-meditated murder, based on the few facts that we have. Zimmerman followed this kid with a gun --- something that is mind-blowing in itself, that we would consider this appropriate behavior by anybody, ever, in any circumstance. And then he shoots the kid. Follows him. Shoots him. Intent and delivery. Quite simple. The intent is perfectly clear. Zimmerman can say he was a "neighborhood watchmen" and that the kid was a "suspect". But actually they're two people on a street, and that is all. And one of them stalked and killed the other. Just because Zimmerman called the police before stalking the kid with a loaded gun doesn't change anything. Really sickening how this has been handled. Thank god I don't live in FLA, and if they do riot... I can kind of understand why. | ||
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Arghmyliver
United States1077 Posts
rant + Show Spoiler + I don't know where people get this idea. But FUCK! don't kill people JESUS! I don't care if you see a fucking Red, Orange, Yellow, Green, Blue, Purple, White AND Black person and he's as scary as the Devil's balls. Don't fucking kill him. If you use LOVE instead of HATE you get a hell of a lot further in life. Fucking Stupid. And now a kid is dead. And this guy thinks he did the right thing. What an ignominious asshole. And now I have to love this prick, cause I love everybody. No matter what. But here's a word from someone who loves you Mr. George Zimmerman: You are a horrible, horrible prick. You should work towards fixing that. Please, don't fucking kill people anymore goddamnit. /rant | ||
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Hinanawi
United States2250 Posts
It's pretty disgusting how the media keeps trying to paint it as a white-on-black hate crime, though. Zimmerman is fucking hispanic, look at his goddamn picture. At least one media outlet actually lightened his skin in photoshop so they could play up the whites-are-evil-racists angle that gets all the viewers. | ||
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HULKAMANIA
United States1219 Posts
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
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Dbla08
United States211 Posts
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Romance_us
Seychelles1806 Posts
If Zimmerman walks, my faith in the justice system will be completely gone. | ||
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