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On January 14 2012 22:26 Absentia wrote:
Infestor/Broodlord/Corrupter doesn't really work when your terran opponent has an army composition that is
a) more mobile
b) directly counters it
Ultra/ling/bane/infestor would've been a much better composition on that map in my opinion. Thorzain's army was spread all over the place and ghosts as mobile defence really aren't that great when there's ultras and banelings in play
Can't go Ultra for that many ghosts.
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On January 14 2012 22:27 Lysanias wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 22:26 Absentia wrote:
Infestor/Broodlord/Corrupter doesn't really work when your terran opponent has an army composition that is
a) more mobile
b) directly counters it
Ultra/ling/bane/infestor would've been a much better composition on that map in my opinion. Thorzain's army was spread all over the place and ghosts as mobile defence really aren't that great when there's ultras and banelings in play Can't go Ultra for that many ghosts.
My god, he didn't have 40 ghosts from the beginning dude.
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lol, stephano is now playing in the sennheiser finals after he lost to babyknight in the xmg gi cup
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On January 14 2012 22:29 werynais wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 22:27 Lysanias wrote:On January 14 2012 22:26 Absentia wrote:
Infestor/Broodlord/Corrupter doesn't really work when your terran opponent has an army composition that is
a) more mobile
b) directly counters it
Ultra/ling/bane/infestor would've been a much better composition on that map in my opinion. Thorzain's army was spread all over the place and ghosts as mobile defence really aren't that great when there's ultras and banelings in play Can't go Ultra for that many ghosts. My god, he didn't have 40 ghosts from the beginning dude.
Did not say he did, but when Broodlords came out Thorzain already had plenty, you think if he saw Ultra he would not have gone for that amount of ghosts ? With planetary's and tanks to back it up he countered Ultra easy.
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Ultra ling baneling is good vs that many ghosts because you dont give them the time to snipe due to the banelings killing everything. What killed darkforce was ultimately the choice of never switching to ultras after killing the siege tanks. On a different map, like daybreak, probably sticking to broodlord is better, but on such a wide map I think a strong switch would have done it. Too bad, but I think Darkforce can still win next 2 games!
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On January 14 2012 22:27 Lysanias wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 22:26 Absentia wrote:
Infestor/Broodlord/Corrupter doesn't really work when your terran opponent has an army composition that is
a) more mobile
b) directly counters it
Ultra/ling/bane/infestor would've been a much better composition on that map in my opinion. Thorzain's army was spread all over the place and ghosts as mobile defence really aren't that great when there's ultras and banelings in play Can't go Ultra for that many ghosts.
Yes, you can. Thorzain's tanks are spread all over the map so the only real concentrated defence Thorzain has is the ghosts and planetary fortresses. Even if Thorzain spends time sniping any ultras he's still going to have a rough time because of all the lings/banelings/fungal growth. You can't move while sniping. If he stands still too long his ghosts are going to get rolled by banelings/lings.
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On January 14 2012 22:31 Lysanias wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 22:29 werynais wrote:On January 14 2012 22:27 Lysanias wrote:On January 14 2012 22:26 Absentia wrote:
Infestor/Broodlord/Corrupter doesn't really work when your terran opponent has an army composition that is
a) more mobile
b) directly counters it
Ultra/ling/bane/infestor would've been a much better composition on that map in my opinion. Thorzain's army was spread all over the place and ghosts as mobile defence really aren't that great when there's ultras and banelings in play Can't go Ultra for that many ghosts. My god, he didn't have 40 ghosts from the beginning dude. Did not say he did, but when Broodlords came out Thorzain already had plenty, you think if he saw Ultra he would not have gone for that amount of ghosts ? With planetary's and tanks to back it up he countered Ultra easy.
Stephano crushed ThorZain playing a similar style in MSI pro cup final, with ultras etc.
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Wow.. Spoon tactics has messed up Darkforce big time.
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Poor DarKFoRcE, ThorZaIN completely destroyed him psychologically there, his mind just wasn't in the game that last game.
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Welp, darkforce got spoon'd
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On January 14 2012 22:31 Lysanias wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 22:29 werynais wrote:On January 14 2012 22:27 Lysanias wrote:On January 14 2012 22:26 Absentia wrote:
Infestor/Broodlord/Corrupter doesn't really work when your terran opponent has an army composition that is
a) more mobile
b) directly counters it
Ultra/ling/bane/infestor would've been a much better composition on that map in my opinion. Thorzain's army was spread all over the place and ghosts as mobile defence really aren't that great when there's ultras and banelings in play Can't go Ultra for that many ghosts. My god, he didn't have 40 ghosts from the beginning dude. Did not say he did, but when Broodlords came out Thorzain already had plenty, you think if he saw Ultra he would not have gone for that amount of ghosts ? With planetary's and tanks to back it up he countered Ultra easy.
If you think Ghosts are good vs Ultras you are wrong.
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On January 14 2012 22:42 werynais wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 22:31 Lysanias wrote:On January 14 2012 22:29 werynais wrote:On January 14 2012 22:27 Lysanias wrote:On January 14 2012 22:26 Absentia wrote:
Infestor/Broodlord/Corrupter doesn't really work when your terran opponent has an army composition that is
a) more mobile
b) directly counters it
Ultra/ling/bane/infestor would've been a much better composition on that map in my opinion. Thorzain's army was spread all over the place and ghosts as mobile defence really aren't that great when there's ultras and banelings in play Can't go Ultra for that many ghosts. My god, he didn't have 40 ghosts from the beginning dude. Did not say he did, but when Broodlords came out Thorzain already had plenty, you think if he saw Ultra he would not have gone for that amount of ghosts ? With planetary's and tanks to back it up he countered Ultra easy. If you think Ghosts are good vs Ultras you are wrong.
If you think Ultras are good vs Snipe/Tanks/Planetaries you are also wrong.
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On January 14 2012 22:42 werynais wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 22:31 Lysanias wrote:On January 14 2012 22:29 werynais wrote:On January 14 2012 22:27 Lysanias wrote:On January 14 2012 22:26 Absentia wrote:
Infestor/Broodlord/Corrupter doesn't really work when your terran opponent has an army composition that is
a) more mobile
b) directly counters it
Ultra/ling/bane/infestor would've been a much better composition on that map in my opinion. Thorzain's army was spread all over the place and ghosts as mobile defence really aren't that great when there's ultras and banelings in play Can't go Ultra for that many ghosts. My god, he didn't have 40 ghosts from the beginning dude. Did not say he did, but when Broodlords came out Thorzain already had plenty, you think if he saw Ultra he would not have gone for that amount of ghosts ? With planetary's and tanks to back it up he countered Ultra easy. If you think Ghosts are good vs Ultras you are wrong.
Have you ever watched a decent Terran play lategame TvZ? Snipe DECIMATES Ultras, its not even funny how quick those things die to a pack of ghosts.
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btw. was it mentioned when the cast will continue? I missed the last part... <.<
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On January 14 2012 22:52 Hall0wed wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 22:42 werynais wrote:On January 14 2012 22:31 Lysanias wrote:On January 14 2012 22:29 werynais wrote:On January 14 2012 22:27 Lysanias wrote:On January 14 2012 22:26 Absentia wrote:
Infestor/Broodlord/Corrupter doesn't really work when your terran opponent has an army composition that is
a) more mobile
b) directly counters it
Ultra/ling/bane/infestor would've been a much better composition on that map in my opinion. Thorzain's army was spread all over the place and ghosts as mobile defence really aren't that great when there's ultras and banelings in play Can't go Ultra for that many ghosts. My god, he didn't have 40 ghosts from the beginning dude. Did not say he did, but when Broodlords came out Thorzain already had plenty, you think if he saw Ultra he would not have gone for that amount of ghosts ? With planetary's and tanks to back it up he countered Ultra easy. If you think Ghosts are good vs Ultras you are wrong. Have you ever watched a decent Terran play lategame TvZ? Snipe DECIMATES Ultras, its not even funny how quick those things die to a pack of ghosts.
Yes i would say i have seen around 150 lategame TvZ's, you are wrong.
11 snipers to kill one ultra, do you even realize how long this takes?
110 snipes to kill 10 ultras, takes like 10 seconds, and you cant do anything else.
Let me add this, if you think "that it's not even funny how quick" a few ghosts kill 1 Ultra you really dont know what you are talking about. We are talking about 1 big fight here.
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Does Darkforce still have any chance to advance or is he already out?
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stephano can still go 3-0 and the other players tie at 1-2.
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On January 14 2012 23:00 werynais wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 22:52 Hall0wed wrote:On January 14 2012 22:42 werynais wrote:On January 14 2012 22:31 Lysanias wrote:On January 14 2012 22:29 werynais wrote:On January 14 2012 22:27 Lysanias wrote:On January 14 2012 22:26 Absentia wrote:
Infestor/Broodlord/Corrupter doesn't really work when your terran opponent has an army composition that is
a) more mobile
b) directly counters it
Ultra/ling/bane/infestor would've been a much better composition on that map in my opinion. Thorzain's army was spread all over the place and ghosts as mobile defence really aren't that great when there's ultras and banelings in play Can't go Ultra for that many ghosts. My god, he didn't have 40 ghosts from the beginning dude. Did not say he did, but when Broodlords came out Thorzain already had plenty, you think if he saw Ultra he would not have gone for that amount of ghosts ? With planetary's and tanks to back it up he countered Ultra easy. If you think Ghosts are good vs Ultras you are wrong. Have you ever watched a decent Terran play lategame TvZ? Snipe DECIMATES Ultras, its not even funny how quick those things die to a pack of ghosts. Yes i would say i have seen around 150 lategame TvZ's, you are wrong. 11 snipers to kill one ultra, do you even realize how long this takes? 110 snipes to kill 10 ultras, takes like 10 seconds, and you cant do anything else. Let me add this, if you think "that it's not even funny how quick" a few ghosts kill 1 Ultra you really dont know what you are talking about. We are talking about 1 big fight here.
So all in all very cost effective, anyway you calculate a single unit vs another single unit, luckily it does not work that way.
I understand what cloud means though, perhaps Ultra's were better if only for there meatshields and taking away energy from ghosts so ling/bling/investor can do the cleanup.
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On January 14 2012 23:00 vdale wrote:
Does Darkforce still have any chance to advance or is he already out?
If Stephano wins all his matches he would be 3-0 and all others might be 1-2 in matches. The won/lost maps will decide in this situation. And if DF wins he gets 50$ due to TB´s system so there are no meaningless matches
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