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Enken
Profile Joined October 2013
France156 Posts
January 30 2014 10:43 GMT
#1941
On January 30 2014 05:16 MrMercuG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2014 18:08 Enken wrote:
On January 29 2014 15:16 UnKooL wrote:
CJ Apdo 2014? CJ DohSoo 2014? If KT picked up that horribly toxic player from chaos, murloc, at one point we can hope. And there is without a doubt that those 2 are probably the only ones that can compete with faker, and imo they are a tier above current top tier mids like ambition, dade, and ryu.

isn't apdo banned for like 3-4years ?
SoloQ and pro scene is too much different imo.
SuNo too were supposed to be a good player from soloQ but...


Actually if you are high ranked challenger player in Korea your very good because Challenger players in Korea are pretty much only Pro players, Faker only used to be a high soloq player before SKT decided to make a team with him.


it's not just korea.
Alex ich wasn't even Challenger at the end of S3, but all mid euw alex ich is in top tiers.

When Repeared pick'd SuNo he was a " soloQ superstar ", but in pro games he wasn't even good.
Pick a good soloQ player is a good choice imo, but the success rate for the transition of a soloQ superstar to a good pro isn't super high yet even in korea.
Unless if you are Kkoma the god :p
UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
January 30 2014 16:06 GMT
#1942
Korean solo queue is a very strong indicator for the individual skill of the player, to the degree that it's smartest to give high elo players priority for tryouts, but it is not a guarantee that this or that player will do well in professional play. I think this should be pretty intuitive.
MrMercuG
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands2389 Posts
January 30 2014 17:04 GMT
#1943
On January 30 2014 19:43 Enken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2014 05:16 MrMercuG wrote:
On January 29 2014 18:08 Enken wrote:
On January 29 2014 15:16 UnKooL wrote:
CJ Apdo 2014? CJ DohSoo 2014? If KT picked up that horribly toxic player from chaos, murloc, at one point we can hope. And there is without a doubt that those 2 are probably the only ones that can compete with faker, and imo they are a tier above current top tier mids like ambition, dade, and ryu.

isn't apdo banned for like 3-4years ?
SoloQ and pro scene is too much different imo.
SuNo too were supposed to be a good player from soloQ but...


Actually if you are high ranked challenger player in Korea your very good because Challenger players in Korea are pretty much only Pro players, Faker only used to be a high soloq player before SKT decided to make a team with him.


it's not just korea.
Alex ich wasn't even Challenger at the end of S3, but all mid euw alex ich is in top tiers.

When Repeared pick'd SuNo he was a " soloQ superstar ", but in pro games he wasn't even good.
Pick a good soloQ player is a good choice imo, but the success rate for the transition of a soloQ superstar to a good pro isn't super high yet even in korea.
Unless if you are Kkoma the god :p


Uh SuNo played on a pro team before Quantic actually, so your wrong.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
January 30 2014 17:34 GMT
#1944
On January 30 2014 12:22 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2014 05:16 MrMercuG wrote:
On January 29 2014 18:08 Enken wrote:
On January 29 2014 15:16 UnKooL wrote:
CJ Apdo 2014? CJ DohSoo 2014? If KT picked up that horribly toxic player from chaos, murloc, at one point we can hope. And there is without a doubt that those 2 are probably the only ones that can compete with faker, and imo they are a tier above current top tier mids like ambition, dade, and ryu.

isn't apdo banned for like 3-4years ?
SoloQ and pro scene is too much different imo.
SuNo too were supposed to be a good player from soloQ but...


Actually if you are high ranked challenger player in Korea your very good because Challenger players in Korea are pretty much only Pro players, Faker only used to be a high soloq player before SKT decided to make a team with him.



Yes, in terms of pure mechanics, soloQ is a good measure. But pro player adds a whole different dimension with strategy, teamwork, nerves, etc. Yes, Faker was a solo Q god, but that doesn't necessarily mean all solo Q gods will transition as well. It is like street ball players going to NBA. Sure, a lot of NBA players used to tear it up on the playground, doesn't mean all good playground players will be good in the NBA.

Yeah, but the whole point of giving challenger players priority is to spend less time looking for players. It's more likely to find good potential pro players based by solo q rank.
liftlift > tsm
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
January 31 2014 03:35 GMT
#1945
On January 31 2014 02:04 MrMercuG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2014 19:43 Enken wrote:
On January 30 2014 05:16 MrMercuG wrote:
On January 29 2014 18:08 Enken wrote:
On January 29 2014 15:16 UnKooL wrote:
CJ Apdo 2014? CJ DohSoo 2014? If KT picked up that horribly toxic player from chaos, murloc, at one point we can hope. And there is without a doubt that those 2 are probably the only ones that can compete with faker, and imo they are a tier above current top tier mids like ambition, dade, and ryu.

isn't apdo banned for like 3-4years ?
SoloQ and pro scene is too much different imo.
SuNo too were supposed to be a good player from soloQ but...


Actually if you are high ranked challenger player in Korea your very good because Challenger players in Korea are pretty much only Pro players, Faker only used to be a high soloq player before SKT decided to make a team with him.


it's not just korea.
Alex ich wasn't even Challenger at the end of S3, but all mid euw alex ich is in top tiers.

When Repeared pick'd SuNo he was a " soloQ superstar ", but in pro games he wasn't even good.
Pick a good soloQ player is a good choice imo, but the success rate for the transition of a soloQ superstar to a good pro isn't super high yet even in korea.
Unless if you are Kkoma the god :p


Uh SuNo played on a pro team before Quantic actually, so your wrong.



??????????????? what? he said when Reapered picked SuNo? SuNo's first pro team was with Reapered
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
January 31 2014 15:20 GMT
#1946
i wonder how the korean scene would look now with a draft structure like it was in bw. a team like skt would probably be difficult to form in that world.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Enken
Profile Joined October 2013
France156 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-01 04:42:40
February 01 2014 04:41 GMT
#1947
On January 31 2014 02:04 MrMercuG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2014 19:43 Enken wrote:
On January 30 2014 05:16 MrMercuG wrote:
On January 29 2014 18:08 Enken wrote:
On January 29 2014 15:16 UnKooL wrote:
CJ Apdo 2014? CJ DohSoo 2014? If KT picked up that horribly toxic player from chaos, murloc, at one point we can hope. And there is without a doubt that those 2 are probably the only ones that can compete with faker, and imo they are a tier above current top tier mids like ambition, dade, and ryu.

isn't apdo banned for like 3-4years ?
SoloQ and pro scene is too much different imo.
SuNo too were supposed to be a good player from soloQ but...


Actually if you are high ranked challenger player in Korea your very good because Challenger players in Korea are pretty much only Pro players, Faker only used to be a high soloq player before SKT decided to make a team with him.


it's not just korea.
Alex ich wasn't even Challenger at the end of S3, but all mid euw alex ich is in top tiers.

When Repeared pick'd SuNo he was a " soloQ superstar ", but in pro games he wasn't even good.
Pick a good soloQ player is a good choice imo, but the success rate for the transition of a soloQ superstar to a good pro isn't super high yet even in korea.
Unless if you are Kkoma the god :p


Uh SuNo played on a pro team before Quantic actually, so your wrong.

when didi mention Quantic ?
He was pick'd by reapered or the organization sk telecom t1 for the ogn before quantic.
And he played pretty poorly and when esg won the iem he wasn't even with the team that was mightly.
So if you think i'm wrong tell me when, against who he played well ?

thank's bokchoi D:
usermen
Profile Joined February 2014
Philippines1 Post
Last Edited: 2014-02-01 07:12:25
February 01 2014 07:11 GMT
#1948
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bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-03 05:27:28
February 03 2014 05:21 GMT
#1949
Xenics teams possibly dead. Minus Swift for Storm and Blast's bot duo of Ink and Okyu the rest of the members of BOTH squads have left. CoCo to Frost? Piccaboo to SKT K ? The possibilities are endless.

IceBear also didn't re-contract with Jin Air.
chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
February 03 2014 07:32 GMT
#1950
the brilliant plan i came up with when leopard played for KT B in the third place match was insec back to jungle for KT A with ssumday, coco, arrow, and piccaboo.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
February 03 2014 08:09 GMT
#1951
On February 01 2014 00:20 oneofthem wrote:
i wonder how the korean scene would look now with a draft structure like it was in bw. a team like skt would probably be difficult to form in that world.


I am not sure about that. The only touted player when SKT formed was Faker due to his solo Q prowess. The other 4 has developed a lot under SKT.
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
February 03 2014 10:06 GMT
#1952
On February 03 2014 17:09 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2014 00:20 oneofthem wrote:
i wonder how the korean scene would look now with a draft structure like it was in bw. a team like skt would probably be difficult to form in that world.


I am not sure about that. The only touted player when SKT formed was Faker due to his solo Q prowess. The other 4 has developed a lot under SKT.


bengi and Piglet were also well-known SoloQ players in Korea, but they weren't Faker-status. Faker was rank 1 on SoloQ for like 4 months straight, pretty sure he did that in Season 3 too. Not sure about bengi, but Piglet was someone who got passed over by other pro-teams, and it gave him a chip on his shoulder and fire that burns him to constantly improve and achieve perfection. There is that famous screenshot from one of his streams where he basically says he's gonna destroy everybody who overlooked him next season, which he did.
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-04 17:29:00
February 04 2014 17:27 GMT
#1953
CoCo (ex-Xenics Storm) and Lira (ex-KT Arrows) seem to have been selected as the new mid and jungle for CJ Entus Frost. Both have changed their IDs and are duoing together.

Line-ups looking pretty good.
Steins;Gate
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
1422 Posts
February 04 2014 17:34 GMT
#1954
On February 05 2014 02:27 bokchoi wrote:
CoCo (ex-Xenics Storm) and Lira (ex-KT Arrows) seem to have been selected as the new mid and jungle for CJ Entus Frost. Both have changed their IDs and are duoing together.

Line-ups looking pretty good.


hmmm, how good is Lira? I've never seen him play before o:
" Perhaps it's impossible to wear an identity without becoming what you pretend to be. "
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
February 04 2014 17:40 GMT
#1955
On February 05 2014 02:34 Steins;Gate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 02:27 bokchoi wrote:
CoCo (ex-Xenics Storm) and Lira (ex-KT Arrows) seem to have been selected as the new mid and jungle for CJ Entus Frost. Both have changed their IDs and are duoing together.

Line-ups looking pretty good.


hmmm, how good is Lira? I've never seen him play before o:


He had some hype, he was considered one the best players from the old CTU squad, but I've personally not seen him play a lot either. Although I wanna say he plays an aggressive/gank-heavy style which is exactly what CJ Frost needed.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
February 04 2014 17:53 GMT
#1956
I didn't really watch KTA in NLB but he pretty much single handedly cost KTA their spot in OGN by feeding kuro non-stop and getting caught all the time. I think he got better from what I saw after.
Glorious SEA doto
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
February 04 2014 17:59 GMT
#1957
There is also a rumor that KaKAO may have been moved back to KT A as the jungler, inSec back to jungler for KT B, and Leopard being starting top solo for KT B. These rumors are based on a picture posted by KT Rolster's head coach posting a picture on his FB with KaKAO in a KT A uniform (black jacket) vs KT B uniform (navy jacket). If true, poor KaKAO gets screwed over by management again...

Also ActScene appears to have joined NaJin (changed his id to NaJin ActScene) with Winged subbing for watch in Sword, its safe to assume ActScene is being brought into replace/sub NoFe.
Brianski
Profile Joined January 2014
13 Posts
February 04 2014 19:13 GMT
#1958
Lol NaJin has 5 junglers now: Watch, Winged, Nagne, NoFe, ActScene. I guess 4 now since Nagne has pretty much claimed the mid role. NaJin's combined roster is huge!
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 04 2014 21:40 GMT
#1959
why isn't nagne playing much? limited champ pool?
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35162 Posts
February 04 2014 21:53 GMT
#1960
On February 05 2014 02:59 bokchoi wrote:
There is also a rumor that KaKAO may have been moved back to KT A as the jungler, inSec back to jungler for KT B, and Leopard being starting top solo for KT B. These rumors are based on a picture posted by KT Rolster's head coach posting a picture on his FB with KaKAO in a KT A uniform (black jacket) vs KT B uniform (navy jacket). If true, poor KaKAO gets screwed over by management again...

Also ActScene appears to have joined NaJin (changed his id to NaJin ActScene) with Winged subbing for watch in Sword, its safe to assume ActScene is being brought into replace/sub NoFe.

Eh, KTA is better than being stuck in NLB would generally merit.
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