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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35162 Posts
May 12 2014 13:45 GMT
#2841
Nien, need I say more?
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-12 14:16:23
May 12 2014 14:01 GMT
#2842
On May 12 2014 22:37 NeoIllusions wrote:
CN sounds like such a scummy community. @_@

Yeah but western one doesnt look much better. Like all the crap I read about Fnatic, how they "owe" Eu to be better, how they have to do this and that for the glory of Eu or stuff like that.
Fnatic, OMG or whoever dont owe their regions shit. They are where they are because they beat others, that is it. People need to take a step back and realize that teams play first and foremost for themselves, not some imagined regional entity. I always thought this region stuff was a fun thing, a joke basically, but people actually started to take this crap serious. It has become quite absurd.

Off-season = best season
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
May 12 2014 14:04 GMT
#2843
On May 12 2014 22:39 bokchoi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2014 22:37 NeoIllusions wrote:
CN sounds like such a scummy community. @_@


Do you really think Korea would've been any different had SKT failed to win? I feel like Netizens would've flamed SKT to oblivion


The thing what I don't understand is why Chinese fans feel "entitled" to success in international tournaments? I don't want to lump them together with eu & na because they are still slightly better overall but at the end of the day everyone knows how that korea is a (big) step ahead of them and korea should always be the expected winner.

Pomelo indeed played pretty bad overall though except for a few pantheon ults and he was pretty underwhelming as support at worlds already which is why it was surprising to me, as a non lpl follower, that Lovelin and him switched positions considering how crucial the jungler is. San improved quite a bit since world though.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-12 14:36:24
May 12 2014 14:33 GMT
#2844
On May 12 2014 23:01 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2014 22:37 NeoIllusions wrote:
CN sounds like such a scummy community. @_@

Yeah but western one doesnt look much better. Like all the crap I read about Fnatic, how they "owe" Eu to be better, how they have to do this and that for the glory of Eu or stuff like that.
Fnatic, OMG or whoever dont owe their regions shit. They are where they are because they beat others, that is it. People need to take a step back and realize that teams play first and foremost for themselves, not some imagined regional entity. I always thought this region stuff was a fun thing, a joke basically, but people actually started to take this crap serious. It has become quite absurd.



I agree with you but just one thing. Nien and Pomelo both performed badly so while the amount of hate or severity of it is disgusting it's not as if it's unpredictable. I'm sure the players themselves realize how they let their teams down so having it heap on from another source must be rather shitty. Nothing will change the community though. We have decades of human history showing the same reaction from fans so unfortunately doesn't look like it's going to change anytime soon.

This is even worse as Lovelin has proven he's not only a better support but also a better jungler. When you swap positions with a player on your own team and always perform worse the fan reaction is going to be that much worse. I think much like the Nien case this is more of a player that doesn't cut it at the highest level realizing this and using fans as an excuse than purely fan outrage forcing a hand. If he had one stand out performance than I think a lot of this situation wouldn't have happened.
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
May 12 2014 15:02 GMT
#2845
On May 12 2014 23:33 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2014 23:01 Redox wrote:
On May 12 2014 22:37 NeoIllusions wrote:
CN sounds like such a scummy community. @_@

Yeah but western one doesnt look much better. Like all the crap I read about Fnatic, how they "owe" Eu to be better, how they have to do this and that for the glory of Eu or stuff like that.
Fnatic, OMG or whoever dont owe their regions shit. They are where they are because they beat others, that is it. People need to take a step back and realize that teams play first and foremost for themselves, not some imagined regional entity. I always thought this region stuff was a fun thing, a joke basically, but people actually started to take this crap serious. It has become quite absurd.



I agree with you but just one thing. Nien and Pomelo both performed badly so while the amount of hate or severity of it is disgusting it's not as if it's unpredictable. I'm sure the players themselves realize how they let their teams down so having it heap on from another source must be rather shitty. Nothing will change the community though. We have decades of human history showing the same reaction from fans so unfortunately doesn't look like it's going to change anytime soon.

This is even worse as Lovelin has proven he's not only a better support but also a better jungler. When you swap positions with a player on your own team and always perform worse the fan reaction is going to be that much worse. I think much like the Nien case this is more of a player that doesn't cut it at the highest level realizing this and using fans as an excuse than purely fan outrage forcing a hand. If he had one stand out performance than I think a lot of this situation wouldn't have happened.


You guys know Lovelin was the original support for OMG and was considered the Chinese MadLife and miles ahead of any other CN support before he switched to Jungle because it was a weak position in CN.
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
May 12 2014 18:37 GMT
#2846
Teamliquid's favorite LS is now officialy the Supa Hot Crew coach http://www.supahotcrew.net/#!supahotcrews-new-coach/ccm2
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
May 12 2014 18:42 GMT
#2847
Lol that wasn't what I had in mind when I heard about Korean coach. Lastshadow coaching will be uuuh... interesting
Glorious SEA doto
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
May 12 2014 18:52 GMT
#2848
Over/Under before WeWillFailer and LS kill each other?
UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
May 12 2014 18:54 GMT
#2849
Oh my god lol, Failer will be kicked in 2 weeks again, but I think Nick can potentially contribute quite a bit. Very surprising.
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
May 12 2014 19:04 GMT
#2850
The highest levels of face to palm
Useless wet fish.
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
May 12 2014 19:05 GMT
#2851
On May 13 2014 03:52 Swords wrote:
Over/Under before WeWillFailer and LS kill each other?


http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/25do0x/news_supahotcrew_brings_on_ls_as_head_coachanalyst/chg5448

Looks like you don't have to worry just yet.
ModeratorThe good and the wise lead quiet lives. Neo's #1 Frenemy and nightmare.
Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7584 Posts
May 12 2014 19:07 GMT
#2852
SHC's passive gold increased by 10%
various cooldowns reduced by 15%
heath pot price changed from 35 gold to 40 gold
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Stuck.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
May 12 2014 19:08 GMT
#2853
SHC will win EU Summer LCS with the power of direct input.
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
May 12 2014 19:14 GMT
#2854
In the end the battle for 5th EU LCS spot might be entertaining. Will it be Alexless Gambit, Youngbuck's talet agency, Supa LS Crew or Creatonpls?
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
May 12 2014 19:18 GMT
#2855
On May 13 2014 04:05 JBright wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2014 03:52 Swords wrote:
Over/Under before WeWillFailer and LS kill each other?


http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/25do0x/news_supahotcrew_brings_on_ls_as_head_coachanalyst/chg5448

Looks like you don't have to worry just yet.

Then SHC lose a match and reddit has a field day.
Glorious SEA doto
McRatyn
Profile Joined January 2013
Poland901 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-12 19:20:10
May 12 2014 19:19 GMT
#2856
Wow never realised SHC are a satellite team of Acer, cool stuff Hope them all the best, wonder if LS plans to move to EU
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
May 12 2014 19:21 GMT
#2857
From what I understand he doesn't, so it would be etertaining if he moved just to kill Weifaller.
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
McRatyn
Profile Joined January 2013
Poland901 Posts
May 12 2014 19:21 GMT
#2858
On May 13 2014 04:21 AlterKot wrote:
From what I understand he doesn't, so it would be etertaining if he moved just to kill Weifaller.

What's the big idea with them anyway?
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
May 12 2014 19:22 GMT
#2859
On May 13 2014 04:21 McRatyn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2014 04:21 AlterKot wrote:
From what I understand he doesn't, so it would be etertaining if he moved just to kill Weifaller.

What's the big idea with them anyway?

Failer is known for becoming the cancer of every team he joins and getting removed relatively quickly, lastshadow has a somewhat spotty record during his time in esports.
Glorious SEA doto
McRatyn
Profile Joined January 2013
Poland901 Posts
May 12 2014 19:31 GMT
#2860
On May 13 2014 04:22 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2014 04:21 McRatyn wrote:
On May 13 2014 04:21 AlterKot wrote:
From what I understand he doesn't, so it would be etertaining if he moved just to kill Weifaller.

What's the big idea with them anyway?

Failer is known for becoming the cancer of every team he joins and getting removed relatively quickly, lastshadow has a somewhat spotty record during his time in esports.

Thanks for filling me in, from the comments thought it was something personal between them two.
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