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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On March 03 2014 03:26 AlterKot wrote: Yeah Fnatic makes absolutely no sense. At least KTB was considered the second best team in the world until past week and they are probably still good despite their showing at Masters, but Roccat are doing so well and they are Polish and ehhh. "probably good still" lol They lost to IM twice. How is that good still? | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On March 03 2014 03:51 Itsmedudeman wrote: "probably good still" lol They lost to IM twice. How is that good still? Sample size. Until KR teams manage to bomb on the level of Fnatic, spring split, 2014, I'm willing to give most teams the benefit of the doubt. KT is trending downwards for sure but I still wouldn't pick many western teams over them. TL;DR: I wanted to drop KT B out of the lolesports power rankings but a few writers countered whether or not I'd pick Roccat or Gambit over KT B. I probably wouldn't. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On March 03 2014 04:35 Itsmedudeman wrote: Small sample size or not, good teams don't lose to mediocre, non top 8 teams twice in a row. If it was only Najin or like Samsung then I could understand. But right now I'd pick gambit or roccat over KT B in an instant. So does that make everybody in EU mediocre since they all have a habit of beating eachother? Insec hasn't played in the jungle professionally for the better part of a year and had little to no practice beforehand. | ||
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oZe
Sweden492 Posts
On March 03 2014 05:19 Gahlo wrote: So does that make everybody in EU mediocre since they all have a habit of beating eachother? Insec hasn't played in the jungle professionally for the better part of a year and had little to no practice beforehand. Explain how playing 14h/day 6-7/days a week for 2 years, is little to no practice? Because I think that's quite a lot of practice =) | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On March 03 2014 06:36 oZe wrote: Explain how playing 14h/day 6-7/days a week for 2 years, is little to no practice? Because I think that's quite a lot of practice =) Because none of that was in the jungle for 8-9 months. If you try and say that it should be reasy to transition back into the jungle, I'm going to laugh at you. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On March 03 2014 05:19 Gahlo wrote: So does that make everybody in EU mediocre since they all have a habit of beating eachother? Insec hasn't played in the jungle professionally for the better part of a year and had little to no practice beforehand. And you think 2 weeks is going to make up for that time lost? He was 100% the reason they lost both of those games. Relatively, he gave a worse performance than Zuna. If an 8th place team beats a 1st place team it doesn't mean anything without context. In this case it's always been that the lower tier teams in EU aren't as far apart for whatever reason, and the challenger scene there has been stronger. Hell, just look at Roccat. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On March 03 2014 10:43 Itsmedudeman wrote: And you think 2 weeks is going to make up for that time lost? He was 100% the reason they lost both of those games. Relatively, he gave a worse performance than Zuna. If an 8th place team beats a 1st place team it doesn't mean anything without context. In this case it's always been that the lower tier teams in EU aren't as far apart for whatever reason, and the challenger scene there has been stronger. Hell, just look at Roccat. I'm thinking basic feel for his champion's capabilities will really help. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Silvanel
Poland4769 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On March 03 2014 15:44 Silvanel wrote: Why fnatic over ROCCAT...i think not only poles consider it a bad move (omg he pulled an xpeke, buhtsekx! /reddit | ||
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21247 Posts
On March 04 2014 04:03 AlterKot wrote: Well I was thinking and maybe they just didn't want the best out of any region. That's why no SKT/CJ/SG, no OMG/EDG, no AHQ, no TSM, no Roccat (Gambit already qualified so couldn't do anything about that). Either ESL's decision to have equal level of competition or Riot not wanting IEM to compete with Worlds. Four of the slots were determined by who won the four regional IEMs from the past year (WE from Shanghai, iG from Singapore, Millenium from Sao Paolo, Gambit from Cologne). Since China already got two slots, they passed on inviting another Chinese team. A lot of the Korean teams have tournament schedule conflicts, and KTB is probably the best team that was available. C9 is one of the top NA teams, and Fnatic is honestly the only questionable invite in terms of raw strength, and they're much more established than Roccat. Ahq might be better than TPA (it's close, but I think Ahq has the edge), but TPA has a lot bigger name value, without sacrificing that much potential. I don't think it's some big conspiracy to invite weak teams, but name value definitely played a role. And four of the slots were set by qualifiers which didn't give them a lot of slots to work with. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On March 03 2014 04:27 NeoIllusions wrote: Sample size. Until KR teams manage to bomb on the level of Fnatic, spring split, 2014, I'm willing to give most teams the benefit of the doubt. KT is trending downwards for sure but I still wouldn't pick many western teams over them. TL;DR: I wanted to drop KT B out of the lolesports power rankings but a few writers countered whether or not I'd pick Roccat or Gambit over KT B. I probably wouldn't. I wish you guys would put 3 NA teams in the top 5 just to see the Monte tweets. | ||
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21247 Posts
At any rate, it's true that invite system favors bigger names, and it wouldn't surprise me if Roccat was simply looked over - but that's to be expected considering they only really started becoming relevant over the past couple of months. I would've liked to see Roccat at IEM Worlds but alas 'tis not to be. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Ex-MYM joins mousesports, czaru is not part of the team takefun is their mid laner now. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On March 03 2014 04:35 Itsmedudeman wrote: Small sample size or not, good teams don't lose to mediocre, non top 8 teams twice in a row. If it was only Najin or like Samsung then I could understand. But right now I'd pick gambit or roccat over KT B in an instant. im played pretty well, and they are pretty strong. i understand ktb is trending down badly but in terms of absolute pwr u cant rly take a team like gambit over them. gmb would get destroyed in laning. | ||
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