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meadbert
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States681 Posts
November 02 2011 21:55 GMT
#1
When the framers of the constitution wrote the Bill of Rights and granted Freedom of speech they not concerned with the right to watch porn. Free speech was important so citizens could criticize politicians in the run up to elections and influence them. Such criticism, was never intended to be limited to "free" criticism of just one person talking to another. "Freedom of the Press" was used for a reason. Printing presses were expensive, but they were also the most practical means of communicating your ideas and congress should not be allowed to regulate what political opinions are expressed with expensive printing presses.

Now, we have members of both the House and Senate announcing they are fed up with being publicly criticized on television by the American people. They demand the right to silence those who disagree with them.

Towards that end they have proposed this constitutional amendment:


Proposed Constitutional Amendment

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Section 1. The Congress shall have power to prohibit, limit, and otherwise regulate the contribution of funds or donation of in-kind equivalents to candidates standing for election to a federal office in the United States and to prohibit, limit, and otherwise regulate the expenditure of funds or donation of in-kind equivalents used to support or purchase media advertisements intended to influence the outcome of an election for federal office in the United States.

Whenever Congress should exercise such power, it must apply equally and uniformly to all individual persons recognized as citizens of the United States.

Whenever Congress should exercise such power on associations of citizens of the United States, it must apply equally and uniformly to all associations of citizens of the United States.

Section 2. Each of the several States shall have power to prohibit, limit, and otherwise regulate the contribution of funds or donation of in-kind equivalents to candidates standing for election to public office in the State and to prohibit, limit, and otherwise regulate expenditure of funds or donation of in-kind equivalents used to support or purchase media advertisements intended to influence the outcome of an election for public office or plebiscite in the State.

Whenever a State should exercise such power, it must apply equally and uniformly to all individual persons recognized as citizens of the State.

Whenever a State should exercise such power on associations of citizens of the State, it must apply equally and uniformly to all associations of citizens of the State.

Section 3. No person who is not a citizen of the United States, association of persons not citizens of the United States, foreign governments, or persons acting as agents thereof may contribute funds or donate in-kind equivalents to candidates standing for election to public office in the United States or otherwise expend funds or donate in-kind equivalents in a manner intended to influence the outcome an election for public office or plebiscite in the United States.

The Congress shall have exclusive power to enforce this section by appropriate legislation.

Section 4. Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.


Previous Thread where I discussed Citizen's United
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=270504

The first gross violation of an individuals rights has to do with outright banning non citizens from spending money in a way that might influence an election.
If some migrant laborer writes and publishes a pamphlet critical of a corrupt local politician are we really going to declare he has violated the constitution by exercising what were formerly his free speech rights? Free speech do not just apply to citizens any more than the right not be murdered applies to only citizens.
Furthermore this is all a distraction. These politicians do not care about foreigners criticizing them. They are worried about being criticized by Americans and are trying to use foreigners as Bogey-men to scare Americans into giving up their rights.


Under this amendment if Ban Ki-Moon or Kofi Anan or Tony Blair write and a publish a book that criticizes an American politician, then risk arrest the next time they visit the UN in New York.

What about Corporations? Almost every single corporation is included including all American TV stations and most newspapers.

Keith Olbermann and Bill O'Reilly could be kicked off the air if they criticized a politician.

If a politician rapes a woman during a campaign she could not pay for an infomercial to make the rape allegation without Congress's say so.
It won't take congress long to set up a truth commission so that unless such allegations can be proven no money can be spent on such public accusations.

Televised debates would be impossible. A multinational Corporation like GE (owns NBC) would not be allowed to spend large sums of money to host a nationally televised debates between candidates when the whole goal of such a debate is to inform the voters and therefore influence the election.

This proposed amendment is a repeal of free speech in its worst form.

They have taken the most important part of the the most important amendment to the bill of rights and turned it on its head.

Instead of Americans having a right to political speech, it will instead be politicians who have absolute control on all political speech.
urasyupi2
Profile Joined August 2011
United States810 Posts
November 02 2011 21:57 GMT
#2
Where is this information from exactly?
hemeh
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-02 22:18:32
November 02 2011 22:17 GMT
#3
Now, we have members of both the House and Senate announcing they are fed up with being publicly criticized on television by the American people. They demand the right to silence those who disagree with them.

Print their names here and show them for the snakes they are, put up where they said that. Afaik i've only read about off handed comments not something so intentional.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
November 02 2011 22:21 GMT
#4
On November 03 2011 06:57 urasyupi2 wrote:
Where is this information from exactly?

i did a quick google search and found nothing. where exactly is this coming from?
Galaxy613
Profile Joined March 2011
United States148 Posts
November 02 2011 22:22 GMT
#5
The lack of citations is painful.
100,000 lightyears of awesome.
CookieMaker
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada880 Posts
November 02 2011 22:23 GMT
#6
Source Plz stat or gg.
Micro your Macro
McFeser
Profile Joined July 2011
United States2458 Posts
November 02 2011 22:23 GMT
#7
This isn't happening guys. Goodbye poster who is spreading lies
Promethelax still hasn't changed his quote
tnud
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden2233 Posts
November 02 2011 22:24 GMT
#8
This sounds like political suicide for anyone to even speak about lol. Requesting a legitimate source too.
- ಠ_ಠ - | disinfect wrote: AHAHHAHAHA 2DG FUCK ME ALREADY.
AmericanUmlaut
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2581 Posts
November 02 2011 22:25 GMT
#9
How do you even respond to this? There's an absolute and utter disconnect between your over the top rhetoric and the actual contents of the proposed amendment. The amendment is very precisely worded to allow Congress to limit campaign contributions and you're making it sound like it's some kind of 1st amendment armageddon.
The frumious Bandersnatch
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
November 02 2011 22:25 GMT
#10
Incoming citation from inforwars or something.
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AnachronisticAnarchy
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States2957 Posts
November 02 2011 22:25 GMT
#11
How is this a repeal of the First Amendment? All it looks like to me is a universal ban on people donating to elections and such. Besides, where is this from? And why are you twisting the words in that amendment?
"How are you?" "I am fine, because it is not normal to scream in pain."
TheMango
Profile Joined April 2007
United States1967 Posts
November 02 2011 22:27 GMT
#12
no sources = closed
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