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On October 27 2011 19:01 IcemanAsi wrote:Starcraft 2 is a community game, your ladder position means nothing unless there are other people on it and when you play a match there is another gamer there, it's kind of the point. As such, Starcraft will always be as strong or as weak as it's community. I start every game with the following: "gl hf ♥", why do I do it? Because it reminds me it's just a game, that I'm just here to have fun. For me it's a great way to reduce stress and get into the game in a good mood. Most of the time I get good nature replies, however, I also get a lot of gay bashing responses. For wishing people a good game. Now, we all know these response, and their likes, and how common they are ( especially if you're winning ). And I would ask you to consider, starcraft is about playing with other people, it's you and another gamer playing together. Yes, you're playing a competitive game. Yes, you're trying to beat the other guy. But you're both part of the same community, and in the end of the day, your'e playing together. In the latest researches gay people are apparently about five percent of the population, any population. That means that in your division five people are gay, that from the about 250 players in GSL history, about 15 are gay, and they deserve your respect. They are as much a part of our community as any other gamer and deserve no different treatment then any other player. So what? you say. It's just harmless name calling, and that guy was really a !@#$%^ for DT rushing me like that, -*!@ing #$%^!.....sounds familiar? Here's the problem, behind your screen, the network, the server, the network again into some other computer in another nation or maybe just across the street there is another person. Who you just hurt. Just another hit in a life with more then a few, and he just wanted to play a game online, and have some fun. And then we have this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_among_LGBT_youth"four times more likely to attempt suicide". Four times as likely. Stop it guys. You're a community, act like one. Cause right now, I don't want to play with you guys. - What can we do? -Are you a recognized pro-gamer? Are you gay? Are you willing to go public about your sexuality? If the answer to these questions are yes then I believe you should. The community needs to see that some if it's most praised players are gay. And that gay isn't synonymous with bad or cheese for some odd reason. You won't convince everyone, and whoever is brave enough to do this will certainly get at least some flak. But you just might save a life.
If they don't actually know you're gay and even if they're using the words "fag" or "faggot" they're still not gay bashing because they do not know you're gay. In the end even if every single admired pro gamers was LGBT as you put it there would still be gay bashers amongst those who play online. It is the nature of the beat and there is nothing you can really do to stop them. When faced with adversity in real life you have two options. Confront it or ignore it. Online you can only choose the latter which I suggest you do. I don't condone the gay bashing online, or anywhere, but these people are masked by the internet. Instead just make sure that you have a good time and ignore the rest.
On October 27 2011 19:12 Za7oX wrote:Try not to take what 13year old's say over the interwebs too seriously  Especially on NA. ♥
Lol you Ausies are so much better. Didn't you guys have a massive riot over the African population in your country in like 2005? I can't remember when the last massive public outburst the US had about a specific group. And I mean massive movement, not a KKK or Neo-Nazi rally or the 100 million times a day some kid says "fag" on xbox.
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On October 27 2011 19:13 Za7oX wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 19:10 bittman wrote:On October 27 2011 19:07 ifonlyiwereawsum wrote:On October 27 2011 19:04 Rekrul wrote:
LOL Sums it up just about right. But seriously, this is a problem? I haven't noticed a single person gay bashing...? Am I just blind? You're more likely to have people tell you in detail about sexual encounters with your mother statistically. "THE SC2 COMMUNITY AND MOTHER-LOVING" thread incoming I have learnt a lot of things about my mother over starcraft2. Who would have thought lol
I learned people travel overseas to come meet my mother. She's popular.
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On October 27 2011 19:10 IcemanAsi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 19:06 Inori wrote:
So when I say "You fight like a girl", I'm bashing not the way you fight, but all the girls on the planet?
You're thinking way to much into it. Hmm, yes, you are. It's a sexist statement that demeans women. I know girls who can kick most guys asses without breaking a sweat.
Those girls are fighting like men.
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Just sayin'
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I am SO, SORRY 
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I think most people understand that when someone says: !@#$%^ for DT rushing me like that, -*!@ing #$%^!
They understand that they brought on that rage, and that often that person is having a bad day, on a losing streak etc. In fact a lot of people troll others to incite this rage. Words said over the internet carry little weight, if someone insults or curses you say GG and the next time you meet them say glhf and proxy hatch their main :D
I've had a lot of people rage at me on the ladder, some you can talk to so they understand why they lost etc (in a good way, not you patronising them) others just spam mindless dribble like ROFL N00b all day. This sort of bashing happens to everyone regardless of who they are, how they play or what they do in the real world
Basically my point is that yes there are some people who troll and bash on others but it happens to everyone at some point, not just the gays, and you've just got to learn to deal with it. Alot of people have things going on in their life and getting insults thrown at you over a video game obviously doesn't help, but it's the same in real life, some people cope better then others
Edit: I like that the title isn't in ALL CAPS RAGE anymore 
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On October 27 2011 19:13 Rekrul wrote:
In reality, you're the problem IcemanAsi. If you focused on just playing the game instead of making stupid hearts to incite anger in prepubescent homophobic children the E-SPORTS world might just be a better place.
Why are you so correct all the time Rekrul? At least let the awesome posting be left to the foreign scene
Nope, Koreans got that too
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I thought the whole point of raging at someone was to hurt them. So if I call someone gay and they actually turn out to be that then I'd call that a success.
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On October 27 2011 19:16 NoobSkills wrote:
If they don't actually know you're gay and even if they're using the words "fag" or "faggot" they're still not gay bashing because they do not know you're gay.
so I can call people niggers but it's not racist because I don't know for sure if they're black? hilarious
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mmmm its funny if you are called dude etc even if your nick screams girl inside. And the reactions afterwards are also funny. I could feel really insulted that people don't think a girl can play sc2, but its just to funny.
Anyway if you have problems that people don't like your heart and feel envious because they can't make it, don't make it. you could write gl hf alt3.
And every community has their trolls nowadays, and hundreds of years of a phobia leave some words as insults in everybody minds.
And lets face it not every group take insults as a trophy like a true nerd does :p.
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On October 27 2011 19:16 NoobSkills wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 19:01 IcemanAsi wrote:Starcraft 2 is a community game, your ladder position means nothing unless there are other people on it and when you play a match there is another gamer there, it's kind of the point. As such, Starcraft will always be as strong or as weak as it's community. I start every game with the following: "gl hf ♥", why do I do it? Because it reminds me it's just a game, that I'm just here to have fun. For me it's a great way to reduce stress and get into the game in a good mood. Most of the time I get good nature replies, however, I also get a lot of gay bashing responses. For wishing people a good game. Now, we all know these response, and their likes, and how common they are ( especially if you're winning ). And I would ask you to consider, starcraft is about playing with other people, it's you and another gamer playing together. Yes, you're playing a competitive game. Yes, you're trying to beat the other guy. But you're both part of the same community, and in the end of the day, your'e playing together. In the latest researches gay people are apparently about five percent of the population, any population. That means that in your division five people are gay, that from the about 250 players in GSL history, about 15 are gay, and they deserve your respect. They are as much a part of our community as any other gamer and deserve no different treatment then any other player. So what? you say. It's just harmless name calling, and that guy was really a !@#$%^ for DT rushing me like that, -*!@ing #$%^!.....sounds familiar? Here's the problem, behind your screen, the network, the server, the network again into some other computer in another nation or maybe just across the street there is another person. Who you just hurt. Just another hit in a life with more then a few, and he just wanted to play a game online, and have some fun. And then we have this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_among_LGBT_youth"four times more likely to attempt suicide". Four times as likely. Stop it guys. You're a community, act like one. Cause right now, I don't want to play with you guys. - What can we do? -Are you a recognized pro-gamer? Are you gay? Are you willing to go public about your sexuality? If the answer to these questions are yes then I believe you should. The community needs to see that some if it's most praised players are gay. And that gay isn't synonymous with bad or cheese for some odd reason. You won't convince everyone, and whoever is brave enough to do this will certainly get at least some flak. But you just might save a life. If they don't actually know you're gay and even if they're using the words "fag" or "faggot" they're still not gay bashing because they do not know you're gay. In the end even if every single admired pro gamers was LGBT as you put it there would still be gay bashers amongst those who play online. It is the nature of the beat and there is nothing you can really do to stop them. When faced with adversity in real life you have two options. Confront it or ignore it. Online you can only choose the latter which I suggest you do. I don't condone the gay bashing online, or anywhere, but these people are masked by the internet. Instead just make sure that you have a good time and ignore the rest. Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 19:12 Za7oX wrote:Try not to take what 13year old's say over the interwebs too seriously Especially on NA. ♥ Lol you Ausies are so much better. Didn't you guys have a massive riot over the African population in your country in like 2005? I can't remember when the last massive public outburst the US had about a specific group. And I mean massive movement, not a KKK or Neo-Nazi rally or the 100 million times a day some kid says "fag" on xbox.
wow lol. Just wow.
I'm talking about stupid 13 year old BM, not racism. Not sure how you connected the Cronulla riots to kids saying "get out fag" but good job man
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this has nothing to do with the sc2 community
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Raging about stupid people on the internet is not a profitable endeavor. There are just to many of them...
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1) You're telling a community that says a lot worse to stop calling people gay. Alright, good luck with that.
2) Gay bullying is horrible, and the amount of people who kill themselves because of the amount of bullying they get for simply being themselves is terrifying. However, I seriously doubt that someone is going to kill themselves because they were called gay or a fag on battle.net. That's not cyber-bullying, that's someone being a rather shitty, uncreative troll.
3) It's Battle.net. You're lucky you weren't accused of being a pedophile for playing Terran.
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If I tell someone that he's a faggot it doesen't mean I am telling him he likes kissing and having intercourse with males. People read too much into words, we are not in politics... it's pretty much the same as saying "that strat was gay", it's a way of explaining a concept
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You realise this isn't just the SC2 community...? Fag or whatever is used as an insult all the time regardless if you're gay or not.
Doing a heart to me after saying glhf would be a bit wierd and I wouldn't know if you were trying to annoy me or whatever
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I wonder... Where are all these "pls be politically correct"-people come from?
When I remember my average day in school there were probably more insults flying around than in all the SC2 games I played combined.... Seriously, did you ran home to mommy everytime someone insulted you in school?...
If you guys wouldn't behave like little girls no one would call you gay. Except when you use DT's or Banshee's... But then insulting you is justified anyway  .
3) It's Battle.net. You're lucky you weren't accused of being a pedophile for playing Terran. .. Evidence suggests... .... !
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On October 27 2011 19:33 ManaO wrote:
If I tell someone that he's a faggot it doesen't mean I am telling him he likes kissing and having intercourse with males. People read too much into words, we are not in politics... it's pretty much the same as saying "that strat was gay", it's a way of explaining a concept
it still perpetuates gay bashing, no matter the intent
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Unfortunately intolerance is not just confined to the SC2 community.
It is a world wide problem that will probably never go away.
Anonymity just makes it easier for these uneducated uncultured simpletons to spread their rage and hate.
Look at professional football (not american) some player is going through an investigation of racism at the moment over here and these guys are the best in the world at what they do.
Edit:spelling
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It's not gay bashing. The words are used in the wrong context, like 99.9% of all insults online.
Basically the same with some things that aren't even insulting.
If someone calls you a fag, he's not referring to your sexuality, he's insulting you for using a cheap tactic. Would you feel better if he said you're an asshole for DT rushing instead of a fag?
People online use inappropriate words for a lot of situations. Why do people refer to "raping someone" when talking about beating someone in this game? They don't even mean harm with that and still it's much more inappropriate than saying someone is a fag.
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On October 27 2011 19:33 ManaO wrote:
If I tell someone that he's a faggot it doesen't mean I am telling him he likes kissing and having intercourse with males. People read too much into words, we are not in politics... it's pretty much the same as saying "that strat was gay", it's a way of explaining a concept
Seeing as You are from Italy, would You feel happy if the phrase would commonly be used as "Man this start is so Italian, l2p" ? The issue is with using a name for a group of people as something bad, wrong and generally derogatory. Why not just say "This strat is fail", or "This strat sucks" ?. Little things.
It's not even about political correctness, couldn't care less about it, it's about maturity and at least minimal manners. Makes it more enjoyable for everyone involved.
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