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Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
October 26 2011 16:57 GMT
#1
Dear noobs,

It dawned on me today (actually it's dawned on me before) that the reason so many threads get derailed for these plain and overdone topics is because you don't have a real outlet for these feelings. I don't know how well this thread will be received, but consider it a genuine gesture toward what has become a sociological problem on TL.

In this thread:
  • Talk about what BW pros you think should move to SC2 or whatever.
  • Talk about if you think BW is dying or whatever.
  • Talk about if you think SC2 is a better game or whatever.
  • Argue endlessly with hordes of noobs who are talking about the above.


Seriously. Go ahead. I'm not proving a special point here, I just want this to be the megathread so that other threads can be kept cleaner. I don't want to go checking for what the BW pros are up to at Blizzcon and find 60 pages of people arguing about SC2. It is putting the threads way off topic and maybe mods are scared to ban you because you don't have a special place to talk about it yet. Well here it is. Go ahead. Is Flash moving to SC2? Would he dominate it? No, he's not. Yes, he would. Those are the answers but you can argue about it for 20 pages if you like. I'm sure it'll be really interesting and a fulfilling use of your time. Do it. Just keep that trash out of every other thread on TL, cause I'm not the only one who's tired of it.

Poll: I argue about SC2 because:

I want to defend BW (21)
 
37%

I'm a huge noob (9)
 
16%

I truly have nothing better to do (6)
 
11%

I want to defend SC2 (5)
 
9%

I'm being held at gunpoint (4)
 
7%

It deeply concerns me (4)
 
7%

I like arguing (3)
 
5%

I have read a million others, and don't think that's enough (3)
 
5%

I like to derail threads (1)
 
2%

I haven't read a million other arguments about it (1)
 
2%

57 total votes

Your vote: I argue about SC2 because:

(Vote): I'm a huge noob
(Vote): I like to derail threads
(Vote): I truly have nothing better to do
(Vote): I'm being held at gunpoint
(Vote): I want to defend BW
(Vote): I want to defend SC2
(Vote): I like arguing
(Vote): It deeply concerns me
(Vote): I haven't read a million other arguments about it
(Vote): I have read a million others, and don't think that's enough

LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
keiraknightlee
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States301 Posts
October 26 2011 17:02 GMT
#2
Finally a real outlet to vent my frustrations
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seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9795 Posts
October 26 2011 17:04 GMT
#3
I would like to see Flash move to SC2 because broodwar is dying and has bad graphics.
boomer hands
Gak2
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada418 Posts
October 26 2011 17:04 GMT
#4
Hah! first to vote!
I picked "I have read a million others, and don't think that's enough"

Well I'm pro-bw, and let's lay out the reasons I think this is so:
1. bw is just a better game.
2. bw is a better spectator sport - if you have watched both, you know this is true. Disagree?, then you are a small exception.

Now should the bw pros move? no.
because bw is a better game. BW is still more popular in korea, all the S-ranked players are making lots of money. Until these things change, there's no reason for them to move.

Ok now come at me!
Deleted User 183001
Profile Joined May 2011
2939 Posts
October 26 2011 17:05 GMT
#5
On October 27 2011 02:04 seRapH wrote:
I would like to see Flash move to SC2 because broodwar is dying and has bad graphics.

The 3rd most popular professional sport in South Korea with a larger fan base than SC2 probably has in the whole world is dying? Interesting assertion.
Klonere
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Ireland4123 Posts
October 26 2011 17:09 GMT
#6
I primarily watch SC2 but I think that R1CH should setup a bot in the BW section that automatically bans anyone with the words "Starcraft 2" or "SC2" in their posts.

That would be the end of 99% of stupid stupid arguments in this forum.
Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
October 26 2011 17:11 GMT
#7
Obviously we need to get this into community news, or how else will we be able to foster those charming discussions with our SC2 brethren?
Writer:o
BamBam
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
745 Posts
October 26 2011 17:13 GMT
#8
On October 27 2011 02:09 Klonere wrote:
I primarily watch SC2 but I think that R1CH should setup a bot in the BW section that automatically bans anyone with the words "Starcraft 2" or "SC2" in their posts.

That would be the end of 99% of stupid stupid arguments in this forum.


That, or even better censor certain words that often pop up in those threads and replace them with more acceptable phrases.
"two is way better than twice as one" - artosis
rigelq
Profile Joined May 2010
United States230 Posts
October 26 2011 17:15 GMT
#9
Here is the reason I would be happy if bw pros stayed playing bw for ever. As of right now SC2 cannot be as entertaining as bw due to the extreme damage output of the armies and because of how necessary it is to keep the "death ball" together. So would I want the most skilled players switching to a game that wouldn't be as entertaining no matter how long they played? No! I want my entertainmen! So that mean I want bw pros to keep playing bw.
Brainbag
Profile Joined December 2010
United States30 Posts
October 26 2011 17:16 GMT
#10
There is only one thing that we can all agree on, and its that I am a huge noob. Although this thread is just asking for flame war between the 2 divided communities.
Nothing of value was lost.
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-26 17:20:04
October 26 2011 17:16 GMT
#11
So, is this thread for actual trolling or pretend trolling? Should I 8e using num8ers in my speech?
dementrio
Profile Joined November 2010
678 Posts
October 26 2011 17:20 GMT
#12
On October 27 2011 02:15 rigelq wrote:
Here is the reason I would be happy if bw pros stayed playing bw for ever. As of right now SC2 cannot be as entertaining as bw due to the extreme damage output of the armies and because of how necessary it is to keep the "death ball" together. So would I want the most skilled players switching to a game that wouldn't be as entertaining no matter how long they played? No! I want my entertainmen! So that mean I want bw pros to keep playing bw.


You're completely wrong. The real reason we can't have good things is that they took out patrol micro.
BobTheBuilder1377
Profile Joined August 2011
Somalia335 Posts
October 26 2011 17:21 GMT
#13
I don't agree with this thread. I think people should just be banned straight up if they try to troll the other BW treads and what not with their Sc2 Rhetoric. I think the Mods should start using their powers to start cleaning up the mess that is around the BW threads. Also to keep BW threads STRICTLY Broodwar only.
masterbreti
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)2711 Posts
October 26 2011 17:22 GMT
#14
This thread had to happen didn't it. eventually all things must come.



BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50641 Posts
October 26 2011 17:25 GMT
#15
On October 27 2011 02:16 Ribbon wrote:
So, is this thread for actual trolling or pretend trolling? Should I 8e using num8ers in my speech?

Chef has reached a new level of being meta with this thread.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-26 17:27:02
October 26 2011 17:26 GMT
#16
all you sc2 fans with your arguments about why sc2 is better

come at me bro.
WriterXiao8~~
BamBam
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
745 Posts
October 26 2011 17:28 GMT
#17
On October 27 2011 02:26 Kipsate wrote:
all you sc2 fans with your arguments about why sc2 is better

come at me bro.

BW has lan... I dont think they really have any arguments to top that.
"two is way better than twice as one" - artosis
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
October 26 2011 17:30 GMT
#18
I dunno about this. I don't think the solution to all these BW vs SC2 threads is yet another BW vs SC2 thread. A lot of people derail threads not because of a lack of an outlet but because they simply enjoy derailing threads.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
jlim
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Spain943 Posts
October 26 2011 17:32 GMT
#19
sc2 so baaaaaaaaaaaaad omgggg aff porra
Canadium
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada171 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-26 17:33:18
October 26 2011 17:32 GMT
#20
The skill level of BW commands my respect more so than the skill level in SC2 does. Simple as that. I find BW more entertaining for this reason and because the game has character which gives it staying power. Does this mean I hate SC2 and want it to die? No. It's doing very well here in North America as an e-sport and I hope it keeps it up.
If there was a gun to my head yeah I would pick BW but I see no reason why both can't thrive.
You better run Charles....
Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
October 26 2011 17:34 GMT
#21
I'm eagerly awaiting the first pro-SC2 poster in here... I feel like there's a "release the hounds" waiting to tear the poor kid to shreds..
SirJolt: Well maybe if you weren't so big and stupid, it wouldn't have hit you.
lungo
Profile Joined October 2005
Denmark276 Posts
October 26 2011 17:35 GMT
#22
On October 27 2011 02:32 Canadium wrote:
The skill level of BW commands my respect more so than the skill level in SC2 does. Simple as that. I find BW more entertaining for this reason and because the game has character which gives it staying power. Does this mean I hate SC2 and want it to die? No. It's doing very well here in North America as an e-sport and I hope it keeps it up.
If there was a gun to my head yeah I would pick BW but I see no reason why both can't thrive.



+1 on this
as Arnold said: you have been erased! but dont worry!
Terrifyer
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States338 Posts
October 26 2011 17:36 GMT
#23
I'm so meta, even this acronym
eat shit and die
Armathai
Profile Joined October 2007
1023 Posts
October 26 2011 17:36 GMT
#24
On October 27 2011 02:20 dementrio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 02:15 rigelq wrote:
Here is the reason I would be happy if bw pros stayed playing bw for ever. As of right now SC2 cannot be as entertaining as bw due to the extreme damage output of the armies and because of how necessary it is to keep the "death ball" together. So would I want the most skilled players switching to a game that wouldn't be as entertaining no matter how long they played? No! I want my entertainmen! So that mean I want bw pros to keep playing bw.


You're completely wrong. The real reason we can't have good things is that they took out patrol micro.

You are so right! And of course.. the best unit to patrol micro with...

Looking for ArcticCerebrate formerly from @USEast
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
October 26 2011 17:37 GMT
#25
Hi. I play SC2. I watch SC2. I also quietly watch bw.

I would be very interested if some bw pros transferred to SC2. but I don't want that. I would prefer to have two starcrafts which are both great for different reasons than have one.

I'm also embarrassed every time someone says something stupid about bw dying et cetera. Sorry for them :<
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-26 17:38:39
October 26 2011 17:38 GMT
#26
On October 27 2011 02:28 Energizer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 02:26 Kipsate wrote:
all you sc2 fans with your arguments about why sc2 is better

come at me bro.

BW has lan... I dont think they really have any arguments to top that.


I meant in terms of gameplay, not in terms of networking

with that argument chess is better then SC2.
WriterXiao8~~
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
October 26 2011 17:39 GMT
#27
On October 27 2011 02:38 Kipsate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 02:28 Energizer wrote:
On October 27 2011 02:26 Kipsate wrote:
all you sc2 fans with your arguments about why sc2 is better

come at me bro.

BW has lan... I dont think they really have any arguments to top that.


I meant in terms of gameplay, not in terms of networking

with that argument chess is better then SC2.


Wait....it's not?
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
Nivoh
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Norway259 Posts
October 26 2011 17:42 GMT
#28
BW is an art, but I can't paint. I can doodle some though, therefore I play SC2.
Firesilver
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom1190 Posts
October 26 2011 17:42 GMT
#29
On October 27 2011 02:38 Kipsate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 02:28 Energizer wrote:
On October 27 2011 02:26 Kipsate wrote:
all you sc2 fans with your arguments about why sc2 is better

come at me bro.

BW has lan... I dont think they really have any arguments to top that.


I meant in terms of gameplay, not in terms of networking

with that argument chess is better then SC2.


That'd make it better than BW also, y'know, the 0 lactency in chess and all..
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Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
October 26 2011 17:44 GMT
#30
Vulture to E4

Natural Expansion to C5
SirJolt: Well maybe if you weren't so big and stupid, it wouldn't have hit you.
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
October 26 2011 17:44 GMT
#31
Meh, wish such a thread was in the SC2 section but I guess it would fail its purpose then =/
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9795 Posts
October 26 2011 17:44 GMT
#32
mvp is better than flash huehuehue ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
boomer hands
Skeggaba
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Korea (South)1556 Posts
October 26 2011 17:45 GMT
#33
Why doesnt anyone discuss the possibility of SCII-players going back to BW?
I think that this will be a reality. BW is a much better game, and if you are not playing professionally there´s no reason to play it at all. I understand that everyone wants to try their luck at the game that can give you actual fame and fortune, but i think that players eventually will come back and play casual BW just like the old days once the hype is over/they go on a tilt.

My favorite players of all time (outside korea) is Ret, Mondragon, Nony and Oystein. Ahzzz is pretty awesome as well. I hope they collect themselves and go back to the game they once loved.
Im not seeing mondy playing it since he pretty much went inactive before even SCII came out. Oystein? No idea, dont think that he plays any of the game. Same with ahzzz. Nony and ret is pretty much tied up in team liquid which is unfortunate.
But we have to give them time! Imagine this: Ret v. Pro7ect in ISL 3 finals. WOWOWOWOW. Its worth waiting for!
Bisu[about JD]=I was scared (laughs). The force emanating from his facial expression was so manly that I was even a little jealous.
Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
October 26 2011 17:45 GMT
#34
Windows 7 hates me and wont let me play BW, so I play SC2. Clearly SC2 > BW, just because it runs on my computer. /bitter


Writer:o
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50641 Posts
October 26 2011 17:46 GMT
#35
On October 27 2011 02:44 Torenhire wrote:
Vulture to E4

Natural Expansion to C5


Fantasy would break the game and move C4 to everyone.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
October 26 2011 17:47 GMT
#36
On October 27 2011 02:46 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 02:44 Torenhire wrote:
Vulture to E4

Natural Expansion to C5


Fantasy would break the game and move C4 to everyone.


damn

that is well played.
WriterXiao8~~
masterbreti
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)2711 Posts
October 26 2011 17:47 GMT
#37
On October 27 2011 02:45 seraphe wrote:
Windows 7 hates me and wont let me play BW, so I play SC2. Clearly SC2 > BW, just because it runs on my computer. /bitter



Blizz released a windows 7 fix a while back for colour. so maybe you can play the awesome lovable and amazing bw!!!! :D:D:D::D
Krehlmar
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1149 Posts
October 26 2011 17:47 GMT
#38
Best thread in a while.
My Comment Doesnt Matter Because No One Reads It
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
October 26 2011 17:51 GMT
#39
Broodwar is a bad game because dragoons get stock. That shit don't fly with me.
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p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
October 26 2011 17:51 GMT
#40
This isn't going to help anything.
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25995 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-26 18:41:18
October 26 2011 18:40 GMT
#41
Chef there's something seriously wrong with you bro. Can't you just be happy with BW and the BW community?

Example: I think SF3 is a way better game than SF4. But I don't jump into the SF4 thread on TL or bring up SF3 vs SF4 discussions whenever I can. I still enjoy SF3, I still play SF3 and I still watch Youtube vids on TheShend. Just do you. Play and love BW. That's it.
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