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Nizaris
Belgium2230 Posts
On July 23 2011 01:45 SpiZe wrote: The intended target. There is a difference between terrorism and casualty of war. That's just a difference of perception/semantics you mean. In all wars its mostly the civilians who die. | ||
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NotSupporting
Sweden1998 Posts
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arChieSC2
Spain162 Posts
On July 23 2011 01:42 MCMXVI wrote: Not to be the devils advocate here, but why shouldn't people be allowed to voice their opinions in times like these? Local reactions, judging from facebook, is that we need to cut down on immigration and throw out people from the Arab/Muslim world. Bomb them all to hell. Etc etc. People simply does not seem to look beyond their own nose. I'm from Norway, and if you look at the big picture, we brought this on ourselves. What's the difference between bombing innocent civilians in Libya and Afghanistan and a bomb going off in Oslo? Nothing. There is a difference, if there is a bomb in an arabic country with 1-4 kills and a shooting in the same country at the same time with 1-5 kills there is no news about .it, but if it happens in norway it does, anyways im sorry for the ppl that may lost their family or friends, same as i would be if this happent in a diff part of the planet. | ||
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Qzy
Denmark1121 Posts
They wont attack Denmark, cos Danes are currently waiting for an opportunity to deport several/all foreigners. Lots of hatred going on towards foreigners, and they hate us. | ||
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saris84
Sweden48 Posts
Or why haven't they sent a military helicopter there and sniped the bastard who is shooting these young people? This is so frustrating :/ My childhoos friend lives 2 houses away from the bombed building, she is all alone and scared  Her family is going to drive to norway to pick her up and take her home I think :/Can they send some sort of boats to pick up the people swimming? Like the Coast guard or something? Props to the police though, who give all the info they have. Also nice to see that their priorities are to help people, not one person so far has talked about revenge and so on. Very calming. | ||
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partisan
United States783 Posts
On July 23 2011 01:47 Nizaris wrote: That's just a difference of perception/semantics you mean. In all wars its mostly the civilians who die. Intent matters in crime. If you are targeting innocent people for no other reason than to cause death and terror, then that's the most despicable thing possible. | ||
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taldarimAltar
973 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On July 23 2011 01:42 MCMXVI wrote: Not to be the devils advocate here, but why shouldn't people be allowed to voice their opinions in times like these? Local reactions, judging from facebook, is that we need to cut down on immigration and throw out people from the Arab/Muslim world. Bomb them all to hell. Etc etc. People simply does not seem to look beyond their own nose. I'm from Norway, and if you look at the big picture, we brought this on ourselves. What's the difference between bombing innocent civilians in Libya and Afghanistan and a bomb going off in Oslo? Nothing. What you are trying to discuss is not the topic. This topic is the terrorist attack in Norway. You are trying to bring up stuff which is not that. Sure, you think its related, but related does not mean exactly the same thing. Even if we were to accept your definition of "related", which many of us do not, it remains off-topic. If you want to vocalize how you feel about the two subjects, blog it. It is plain and simply not the intended topic of this thread and will cause disorganization. | ||
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Quotidian
Norway1937 Posts
On July 23 2011 01:49 taldarimAltar wrote: it was probably an attack on the PM, but the shooter wouldn't be able to escape from the island, maybe that's why he's going on a shooting rampage. The planning of this scares me, he planned to be on the island w the PM so it would be hard to reach.... appearantly, he wasn't supposed to be there until tomorrow, but Gro Harlem Bruntland, an ex prime minster, was to appear there | ||
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TheSilverfox
Sweden1928 Posts
Adrian Pracon (County secretary for AUF) says that 4 has been shot and killed according to Dagbladet.no - http://www.dagbladet.no/2011/07/22/nyheter/utoya/terror/oslo/17415425/ | ||
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LowChucky
United Kingdom243 Posts
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Vetrocide
Norway600 Posts
- Vi er under angrep, sa en person som VG Nett kontaktet før han la på og brøt samtalen - We are under attack, said a person who contacted VG Net(newspapers website), before he hanged up the phone. - Vi satt og snakket om bomben som smalt i Oslo nettopp, så hører jeg masse skyting. Folk er skutt, hulker han frem. - we were sitting around talking about the bomb who just exploded in oslo, and then i heard lots of shots fired, people are shot, he cries - Vedkommende legitimerte seg som politimann da han skulle fraktes ut til øya. Han opplyste at det dreide seg om en rutinesjekk i forbindelse med terrorangrepet i Oslo, forteller øyenvitnet til VG Nett. - she shooter said he was a policemen when he was to be brought out to the island. He said it was about a routine check in connection with the terror attack in Oslo, told by a witness- «Det er skyting på Utøya. IKKE ring noen der. De gjemmer seg i busk og kratt. Politiet er på vei,» skriver en person på Facebook. there is shots going off at Utøya, DO NOT call anyone there, They are hiding in bushes etc, the police are on their way. ( written by someone on facebook) | ||
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taldarimAltar
973 Posts
On July 23 2011 01:49 partisan wrote: Intent matters in crime. If you are targeting innocent people for no other reason than to cause death and terror, then that's the most despicable thing possible. It's chilling cause you don't expect to happen in as peaceful a place as norway, thinking about how it could happen so close to home is really sobering. | ||
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shabby
Norway6402 Posts
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loladin
Norway184 Posts
On July 23 2011 01:49 saris84 wrote: Why haven't any news helicopters flown over the island yet? Or why haven't they sent a military helicopter there and sniped the bastard who is shooting these young people? This is so frustrating :/ My childhoos friend lives 2 houses away from the bombed building, she is all alone and scared Her family is going to drive to norway to pick her up and take her home I think :/Can they send some sort of boats to pick up the people swimming? Like the Coast guard or something? Props to the police though, who give all the info they have. Also nice to see that their priorities are to help people, not one person so far has talked about revenge and so on. Very calming. There are reports of Anti-Terror Police forces getting flown out there / have been flown out there with choppers now. | ||
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Brundlefly
Norway56 Posts
No confirmation that this group are the ones responsible, though. EDIT: About shooting on Utøya: at least 5 people shot. Terrorsquad on their way over too the island. | ||
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DoXa
Switzerland1448 Posts
On July 23 2011 01:49 saris84 wrote: Why haven't any news helicopters flown over the island yet? Or why haven't they sent a military helicopter there and sniped the bastard who is shooting these young people? This is so frustrating :/ My childhoos friend lives 2 houses away from the bombed building, she is all alone and scared Her family is going to drive to norway to pick her up and take her home I think :/Can they send some sort of boats to pick up the people swimming? Like the Coast guard or something? Props to the police though, who give all the info they have. Also nice to see that their priorities are to help people, not one person so far has talked about revenge and so on. Very calming. i think news helicoperts would not be allowed to fly over the island yet. Sniping someone from a helicoper or from the ground with many people around isn't that easy... | ||
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partisan
United States783 Posts
Supposedly video of a second bomb going off. | ||
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Vetrocide
Norway600 Posts
On July 23 2011 01:51 Vetrocide wrote: I thought I'd go ahead and translate some of these tweets and reports etc from the Utøya incident- - Vi er under angrep, sa en person som VG Nett kontaktet før han la på og brøt samtalen - We are under attack, said a person who contacted VG Net(newspapers website), before he hanged up the phone. - Vi satt og snakket om bomben som smalt i Oslo nettopp, så hører jeg masse skyting. Folk er skutt, hulker han frem. - we were sitting around talking about the bomb that just exploded in oslo, and then i heard lots of shots fired, people are shot, he cries - Vedkommende legitimerte seg som politimann da han skulle fraktes ut til øya. Han opplyste at det dreide seg om en rutinesjekk i forbindelse med terrorangrepet i Oslo, forteller øyenvitnet til VG Nett. - she shooter said he was a policemen when he was to be brought out to the island. He said it was about a routine check in connection with the terror attack in Oslo, told by a witness- «Det er skyting på Utøya. IKKE ring noen der. De gjemmer seg i busk og kratt. Politiet er på vei,» skriver en person på Facebook. there is shots going off at Utøya, DO NOT call anyone there, They are hiding in bushes etc, the police are on their way. ( written by someone on facebook) | ||
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Vetrocide
Norway600 Posts
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