On June 22 2011 00:52 maJes wrote: From the sounds of it Argentina's overall claim is about as valid as the claims to land on the moon that get sold online.
Frankly the entire debate seems to run in parallel to the recent discourse in this thread - a small whiny voice playing the victim to a benign entity that doesn't see what all the fuss is about. It's really hard to sympathise with any Argentinian claim with the way it's presented here.
Well I retire. The truth you do nt care to understand how others see things. Keep thinking what you want.
On June 22 2011 00:52 maJes wrote: From the sounds of it Argentina's overall claim is about as valid as the claims to land on the moon that get sold online.
Frankly the entire debate seems to run in parallel to the recent discourse in this thread - a small whiny voice playing the victim to a benign entity that doesn't see what all the fuss is about. It's really hard to sympathise with any Argentinian claim with the way it's presented here.
Well I retire. The truth you do nt care to understand how others see things. Keep thinking what you want.
Ganjamaster chupala 2 veces salame!
Falklands for the penguins I say!
Well I retire. The truth you do nt care to understand how others see things. Keep thinking what you want.
Las Maldivas are a egg shell. The only thing which really matters about them is how Argentinian politicians have been using it for nationalist purposes in order to make a diversion about how awful they were, and by British politicians to make brainless British "patriots" happy.
That's like, the perfect case for right wingers. It even made Tatcher reelected which was a worse thing for England than losing two desert Island in the middle of nowhere.
Anyway: here is what it always makes me think about:
Hamlet Good sir, whose powers are these?
Captain They are of Norway, sir.
Hamlet How purposed, sir, I pray you?
Captain Against some part of Poland.
Hamlet Who commands them, sir?
Captain The nephews to old Norway, Fortinbras.
Hamlet Goes it against the main of Poland, sir, Or for some frontier?
Captain Truly to speak, and with no addition, We go to gain a little patch of ground That hath in it no profit but the name. To pay five ducats, five, I would not farm it; Nor will it yield to Norway or the Pole A ranker rate, should it be sold in fee.
Hamlet Why, then the Polack never will defend it.
Captain Yes, it is already garrison'd.
Hamlet Two thousand souls and twenty thousand ducats Will not debate the question of this straw: This is the imposthume of much wealth and peace, That inward breaks, and shows no cause without Why the man dies. I humbly thank you, sir.
I find all the historical arguments concerning the legitimate owner of the island to be irrelevant. The U.K. won the war. The spoils go to the winner. That's how this kind of shit has been settled for thousands of years. If Argentina want's the Falklands, they need to declare war again. My advice would be to do it while Labour controls parliament.
On June 22 2011 01:14 smokeyhoodoo wrote: I find all the historical arguments concerning the legitimate owner of the island to be irrelevant. The U.K. won the war. The spoils go to the winner. That's how this kind of shit has been settled for thousands of years. If Argentina want's the Falklands, they need to declare war again. My advice would be to do it while Labour controls parliament.
Yeah, the dude with a bigger dick and who has more tanks is right.
That has been American motto for the last decades, I don't see why it should change. History has proven that war and big muscles is a great solution to solve problems.
On June 21 2011 22:02 KwarK wrote: Argentina invaded the sovereign soil of a nuclear power in NATO in a land grab attempt and then bitched about the sinking of one ship. If you guys really think Britain overstepped the mark there then I suggest you try doing it to the United States and see what they do. The degree to which clear limits and proportional response was shown to Argentina is comparable to a parent gently restraining their child who swings wildly in a temper tantrum.
Pal: War crime is a war crime. No matter if the Nazis were worse than your. In the case of Belgrano, you imposed the Total Exclusion Zone around the Falklands. You Britons try to justify all. You always have an answer.
Which war crime? Where is your evidence? Sinking a ship isnt a war crime, so what were those war crimes and where is your proof? Either bring that proof or withdraw that argument.
Judges in England in the 90's, newspapers, British books about Mount Longdon ! Argentine Books. What kind of evidences you need. Until I know I only can post links.
Any of them .... all I could google up was allegations and newspaper articles which point out war crimes on both sides.
Dont bother with any articles which write about alleged stuff though.
I probably know more veterans than your I think!
For you is a lie, there´s no war crimes b´cause you can find it on Google???. Well done detective!!!
Oh come on, you can do better than that and even I found newspapers from "the 90's" online, they only talk about allegations though. Go on and show proof.
"I know veterans" isnt enough, because their tales probably have grown in the 30 years of telling. So where are those "judgements" you claim which exist? The only thing I found was an article at SPIEGEL online, which says that the Argentinian General Leopoldo Galtieri and some of his buddies were convicted of war crimes ... http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,475287,00.html If both sides have convicted war criminals, who can claim to be better / more ethical than the other?
Wikipedia has only two british people on the list of those convicted for war crimes, it is probably incomplete (no Argentinian people listed, but maybe it only lists those convicted at an international court?), but here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:British_people_convicted_of_war_crimes I think this article describes it best: There have been some hints of war crimes carried out by British troops against Argentine prisoners but no firm evidence.
Again: Where is your proof? Any "novels" written by people arent really proof of anything. It isnt me who has failed in finding stuff, it is you who failed in providing stuff you claim exists and claims are no evidence. War is cruel (it has to be so countries dont wage war over minor issues) and war veterans are not to be envied, but not everything you see in war automatically constitutes a war crime.
On June 22 2011 00:33 chgh wrote:
On June 22 2011 00:28 MaK UK wrote:
On June 22 2011 00:15 chgh wrote: Just try not to dump everything in Argentina. Great Britain is part of the problem too.
but i thought this was about Argentina claiming that the island is theirs? i dont get how britain can be part of the problem if all we have done is defend the rights of the people both poltically and in war?
it seems you want us to say that the war was Britains falt?
Do you really believe that Britain is interested in 2500 islanders! To Naif!!!
And the Argentinians claim to care about them? ROFLMAO ...
Why shouldnt the british care for them?
Why are you putting so much emphasis in war crimes? What kind proof do you need in a post, a time machine? Read Green Eyes Boys too. Don´t care?
I didnt start that topic ... YOU did ... but since you dont bring evidence on your own argument or dont even care to try, I have to assume that the British commited NONE and you should consider this as a lost cause of justification for any claim that Argentina has to the islands.
As for Green Eyed Boys I can only say that every comment I read about the book says that the stuff is only allegations, which isnt the same as proof. You might consider that when reading such things or watching reports which claim X to be true. Here are a few comments about the book and they range from "awesome" to "total crap" and quite a few people claim to be from the British army or that regiment and they always seem to have to add some sort of "this detail isnt true" stuff. http://www.britains-smallwars.com/swbooks/Green-Eyed.html
Just a general piece of advice: Try to make it easier for others to understand what you mean by either linking the book or putting a name in quotation marks. Only in the second reading did I understand that you listed a book title.
On June 21 2011 23:40 KwarK wrote: From there we could progress to both British servicemen and Argentinian conscripts being victims of them, just like everyone else the junta killed.
They were. That "war" was a retarded mistake on their part.
But the Malvinas/Falkland issue has always been a sensitive one here, because it involves a LOT of that "antiimperialism" thing, and the deaths of 600 young victims of the Junta, 18y old kids who where doing the obligatory military service and were sent to their deaths (and of course, the british ones).
The truth is, nobody gives a fuck about the islands themselves. If we had them, they would probably just be abandoned and empty like half the patagonia.
Id love to see our president trying to improve the relationship between the 2 countrys, or trying to make comerce treaties for them to use some of our continental installations (so at least we get some profit from all of this) rather than bashing at them everytime she can and further prollonging a lost cause.
But then again the bashing is more appealing on an electoral year than trying to fix their own issues (?)
Pd: That "Falkland" dude who got the argentine Nationalitie did so to live with his family, since the islanders denied to give his argentine wife medical assistance when she was giving birth to their son. That is what they say at least. Pd2: Sry for the bad english (?)
On June 22 2011 01:14 smokeyhoodoo wrote: I find all the historical arguments concerning the legitimate owner of the island to be irrelevant. The U.K. won the war. The spoils go to the winner. That's how this kind of shit has been settled for thousands of years. If Argentina want's the Falklands, they need to declare war again. My advice would be to do it while Labour controls parliament.
Yeah, the dude with a bigger dick and who has more tanks is right.
That has been American motto for the last decades, I don't see why it should change. History has proven that war and big muscles is a great solution to solve problems.
I find it amusing that the french person says this . Pretty sure you needed this military might you speak of so negatively when you were busy being taken over by Germany.
On June 22 2011 01:14 smokeyhoodoo wrote: I find all the historical arguments concerning the legitimate owner of the island to be irrelevant. The U.K. won the war. The spoils go to the winner. That's how this kind of shit has been settled for thousands of years. If Argentina want's the Falklands, they need to declare war again. My advice would be to do it while Labour controls parliament.
Yeah, the dude with a bigger dick and who has more tanks is right.
That has been American motto for the last decades, I don't see why it should change. History has proven that war and big muscles is a great solution to solve problems.
More importantly, how could it possibly change? Sorry if that massive dose of reality made your head explode. I won't blame you if you go cry in a corner, having one's world view completely shattered can be quite a traumatic experience.
Britain took the islands before Argentina existed as a country if my history serves me correctly, Argentina has no constitutional claim to the land, the people who live their want to be British, let them be British.
On June 22 2011 01:14 smokeyhoodoo wrote: I find all the historical arguments concerning the legitimate owner of the island to be irrelevant. The U.K. won the war. The spoils go to the winner. That's how this kind of shit has been settled for thousands of years. If Argentina want's the Falklands, they need to declare war again. My advice would be to do it while Labour controls parliament.
Yeah, the dude with a bigger dick and who has more tanks is right.
That has been American motto for the last decades, I don't see why it should change. History has proven that war and big muscles is a great solution to solve problems.
I find it amusing that the french person says this . Pretty sure you needed this military might you speak of so negatively when you were busy being taken over by Germany.
If you don't see the difference between fighting against Nazism and for the freedom of your country and fighting for a nutshell that nobody care about, we are in trouble.
On June 22 2011 01:14 smokeyhoodoo wrote: I find all the historical arguments concerning the legitimate owner of the island to be irrelevant. The U.K. won the war. The spoils go to the winner. That's how this kind of shit has been settled for thousands of years. If Argentina want's the Falklands, they need to declare war again. My advice would be to do it while Labour controls parliament.
Yeah, the dude with a bigger dick and who has more tanks is right.
That has been American motto for the last decades, I don't see why it should change. History has proven that war and big muscles is a great solution to solve problems.
More importantly, how could it possibly change? Sorry if that massive dose of reality made your head explode. I won't blame you if you go cry in a corner, having one's world view completely shattered can be quite a traumatic experience.
On June 22 2011 01:14 smokeyhoodoo wrote: I find all the historical arguments concerning the legitimate owner of the island to be irrelevant. The U.K. won the war. The spoils go to the winner. That's how this kind of shit has been settled for thousands of years. If Argentina want's the Falklands, they need to declare war again. My advice would be to do it while Labour controls parliament.
Yeah, the dude with a bigger dick and who has more tanks is right.
That has been American motto for the last decades, I don't see why it should change. History has proven that war and big muscles is a great solution to solve problems.
I find it amusing that the french person says this . Pretty sure you needed this military might you speak of so negatively when you were busy being taken over by Germany.
If you don't see the difference between fighting against Nazism and for the freedom of your country and fighting for a nutshell that nobody care about, we are in trouble.
Self determination is self determination everywhere. The Falklands islanders have just as much right to it as you do.
In my opinion if the people on the land want to be ruled by the Argentian government so let them, if they want to be ruled by the British let them. Its up for the people who live on the island to decide, as it is those people who the decision would directly affect.
On June 22 2011 01:14 smokeyhoodoo wrote: I find all the historical arguments concerning the legitimate owner of the island to be irrelevant. The U.K. won the war. The spoils go to the winner. That's how this kind of shit has been settled for thousands of years. If Argentina want's the Falklands, they need to declare war again. My advice would be to do it while Labour controls parliament.
Yeah, the dude with a bigger dick and who has more tanks is right.
That has been American motto for the last decades, I don't see why it should change. History has proven that war and big muscles is a great solution to solve problems.
On June 22 2011 01:14 smokeyhoodoo wrote: I find all the historical arguments concerning the legitimate owner of the island to be irrelevant. The U.K. won the war. The spoils go to the winner. That's how this kind of shit has been settled for thousands of years. If Argentina want's the Falklands, they need to declare war again. My advice would be to do it while Labour controls parliament.
Yeah, the dude with a bigger dick and who has more tanks is right.
That has been American motto for the last decades, I don't see why it should change. History has proven that war and big muscles is a great solution to solve problems.
On June 22 2011 01:14 smokeyhoodoo wrote: I find all the historical arguments concerning the legitimate owner of the island to be irrelevant. The U.K. won the war. The spoils go to the winner. That's how this kind of shit has been settled for thousands of years. If Argentina want's the Falklands, they need to declare war again. My advice would be to do it while Labour controls parliament.
Yeah, the dude with a bigger dick and who has more tanks is right.
That has been American motto for the last decades, I don't see why it should change. History has proven that war and big muscles is a great solution to solve problems.
I find it amusing that the french person says this . Pretty sure you needed this military might you speak of so negatively when you were busy being taken over by Germany.
If you don't see the difference between fighting against Nazism and for the freedom of your country and fighting for a nutshell that nobody care about, we are in trouble.
On June 22 2011 01:14 smokeyhoodoo wrote: I find all the historical arguments concerning the legitimate owner of the island to be irrelevant. The U.K. won the war. The spoils go to the winner. That's how this kind of shit has been settled for thousands of years. If Argentina want's the Falklands, they need to declare war again. My advice would be to do it while Labour controls parliament.
Yeah, the dude with a bigger dick and who has more tanks is right.
That has been American motto for the last decades, I don't see why it should change. History has proven that war and big muscles is a great solution to solve problems.
More importantly, how could it possibly change? Sorry if that massive dose of reality made your head explode. I won't blame you if you go cry in a corner, having one's world view completely shattered can be quite a traumatic experience.
That's one clever answer dude.
I know, its much better advice than telling Argentina to beg the UN for the Falklands. Is that the strategy you would use? Damn, if I ever have to fight a war, I hope its with the French. In your nations finest moment in terms of military glory you were being lead by a Corsican midget, and lost in the end anyway.
When it comes down to it, if the british are willing to fight to keep the falklands, the argentinians are pretty much boned, no matter how legitimate their claims are. War (and the threat of it) determines the shape of the world moreso than anything else.
On June 22 2011 01:14 smokeyhoodoo wrote: I find all the historical arguments concerning the legitimate owner of the island to be irrelevant. The U.K. won the war. The spoils go to the winner. That's how this kind of shit has been settled for thousands of years. If Argentina want's the Falklands, they need to declare war again. My advice would be to do it while Labour controls parliament.
Yeah, the dude with a bigger dick and who has more tanks is right.
That has been American motto for the last decades, I don't see why it should change. History has proven that war and big muscles is a great solution to solve problems.
Dear France:
You're welcome.
signed,
Uncle Sam
Not only did several countries and the french resistance fight to free france from germany, but the americans didn't even care about france when it was being taken over in the first place, so don't act all high and mighty because you ended up joining the war only when it concerned your country.
Getting out of topic, people. My thoughts are that if the people of the island want to stay with Britain, then so be it. If the people are happy as they are, then there is no need for that change.
On June 22 2011 01:14 smokeyhoodoo wrote: I find all the historical arguments concerning the legitimate owner of the island to be irrelevant. The U.K. won the war. The spoils go to the winner. That's how this kind of shit has been settled for thousands of years. If Argentina want's the Falklands, they need to declare war again. My advice would be to do it while Labour controls parliament.
Yeah, the dude with a bigger dick and who has more tanks is right.
That has been American motto for the last decades, I don't see why it should change. History has proven that war and big muscles is a great solution to solve problems.
I find it amusing that the french person says this . Pretty sure you needed this military might you speak of so negatively when you were busy being taken over by Germany.
If you don't see the difference between fighting against Nazism and for the freedom of your country and fighting for a nutshell that nobody care about, we are in trouble.
On June 22 2011 01:47 smokeyhoodoo wrote:
On June 22 2011 01:19 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On June 22 2011 01:14 smokeyhoodoo wrote: I find all the historical arguments concerning the legitimate owner of the island to be irrelevant. The U.K. won the war. The spoils go to the winner. That's how this kind of shit has been settled for thousands of years. If Argentina want's the Falklands, they need to declare war again. My advice would be to do it while Labour controls parliament.
Yeah, the dude with a bigger dick and who has more tanks is right.
That has been American motto for the last decades, I don't see why it should change. History has proven that war and big muscles is a great solution to solve problems.
More importantly, how could it possibly change? Sorry if that massive dose of reality made your head explode. I won't blame you if you go cry in a corner, having one's world view completely shattered can be quite a traumatic experience.
That's one clever answer dude.
I know, its much better advice than telling Argentina to beg the UN for the Falklands. Is that the strategy you would use? Damn, if I ever have to fight a war, I hope its with the French. In your nations finest moment in terms of military glory you were being lead by a Corsican midget, and lost in the end anyway.
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This thread is getting a little off topic, I will only make this one post. France has a great military history, by far the greatest enemy England and then Britain has ever known. Take a look at who and what Napoleon had to battle too. Not to mention the fact you wouldnt have won the American war of Independance without their Navy cutting off Cornwallis' supplies. That post is very disrespectful.
On June 22 2011 01:14 smokeyhoodoo wrote: I find all the historical arguments concerning the legitimate owner of the island to be irrelevant. The U.K. won the war. The spoils go to the winner. That's how this kind of shit has been settled for thousands of years. If Argentina want's the Falklands, they need to declare war again. My advice would be to do it while Labour controls parliament.
Yeah, the dude with a bigger dick and who has more tanks is right.
That has been American motto for the last decades, I don't see why it should change. History has proven that war and big muscles is a great solution to solve problems.
Dear France:
You're welcome.
signed,
Uncle Sam
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Yeah and Lafayette, and then the Roman Empire, and before that our caveman who...
Why on earth do people keep mentioning France, I am not a representative of my country, for Christ sake. I just happened to be born there.
EPT
. Pretty sure you needed this military might you speak of so negatively when you were busy being taken over by Germany.
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