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On June 18 2011 03:52 Ganjamaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 03:46 ElPeque.fogata wrote:On June 18 2011 03:22 Ganjamaster wrote:On June 18 2011 03:13 ElPeque.fogata wrote:On June 18 2011 01:31 IntoTheWow wrote:On June 17 2011 20:38 Deleuze wrote:
They have run out or coins at the moment as there poor economy doesn't permit them to make any
more. Haha, sorry but this is so wrong it's funny. I don't know where you read this. The coin thing has nothing to do with our economy but with our bus system :p (Argentina was one of the few countries that kept on growing in the middle of the economic crisis and holds on to some big reserves right now). Oh! But do we know our beloved neighbors! - You manipulate your inflation measurements to suit whatever you want. - You can't even pay your foreign debt. We now a days hear about Greece may have to default Well, Argentina has been in default for quite a while now... - Your bonds are worth nothing because no one trusts you will ever pay. - You stole your coutrymen's retirement funds to try to even your spending deficit. Central bank reserves by themselves mean nothing. You can't touch them without spiraling either inflation or the exchange rate out of the scale, shooting yourself in the foot. You can cheat on your accounting for a while, but it will blow up in your faces as it always did and as it is about to happen in Spain, Greece, et al. And you achieve all that even though in terms of natural resources you should be within the top 5 richest countries in the world. Yet always so cocky i'm not sure if it is painful or funny. No wonder the rest of the south american countries smile to each others in irony when the spoiled single child calls for special attention. Economic crisis? What crisis? Your government congratulates itself on having survived when all the rest plummeted. Newsflash!!! All your neighbors did and are doing much much better. Mostly not because of doing things right (in many cases just the opposite) but because of not doing them as wrong as you did/are doing. And the reason we are doing pretty good right now is that our economies depend on commodities. And in times of crisis, people stop buying appartments, then cars, then computers, then ipods......... but they'll keep on buying food. So this post-modern banana republic pride is ridiculous. Same story during the world wars. Uruguay was recalled by many as "the Switzerland of America" during those times. My ancestors believed the phrase literally and came here from europe to find a better life and they certainly did. Then the first world stopped buying us dry canned meat at the price of gold. We then didn't want to wake up to reallity and kept the spending without getting any better at doing anything (we are so great!). We went bankrupt, social living standards plummeted. Social unrest. And the conditions were met for whatever right or left wing totalitarian to take control. We all had our own flavor of dictator. But even our dictators facepalmed when you invaded the Malvinas. We, Uruguayans have almost the same ethnicity as Argentinians (a little more spanish and less italian blood), and have very similar flavor of spanish, so we are usually mistaken for Argentinians. As tourists, we learn to be outspoken about our nationality to avoid confusion and so we are treated with less distrust. You are so quick to point out our flaws and yet your economy depends a great deal on us. Many of the things you consume are made by us, you watch our media and you benefit from out tourism. Your whole economy is based on the black, illegal money of argentines deposited in your unscrupulous banks and deregulated financial system, so if I were you I would shut up and pour yourself another mate because if we took all that money out you would have to swim across the river to clean toilets. @IntoTheWow So economic/social policies (trade restrictions, social programmes) are not relevant policies to be discussed? We can continue this elsehwere, I agree we have derailed too much. Well... Nope. That is what your government tells you. Argentinians account for 30% of the money in Uruguayan banks. It would only hurt us if they took it all away in one sweep. That is exactly what happened in 2002 when we had to refinance our debt and you defaulted. And the main reason Argentinians put their money in here is because Argentina has a long history of manipulating their economy, switching rules on the fly, expropiating, and just being too corrupt. Which is just bad for business. And you know what? We are doing particularily good right now because your government sucks so much that your best farmers are MOVING to our lands because even though your land is much more fertile, they make more money in our shitty lands and much worse exchange rate, boosting our exports. Actually... Why don't you pay us a visit and see how much you can buy here with Argentinian pesos. You might be surprised. (I go to buenos aires once in a while to buy cheap stuff  ). In any case. Both Argentina and Brazil have always fucked with us. Our country is very small, we have no scale productivity, no oil, no gas (though now it seems there is some study that says we might), and Brazil and Argentina are both huge both in human and natural resources, and both have very high trade restrictions for our products. And they even prohibit us from doing commerce treaties with other countries else we would be more severely punished with tariffs, etc. Long story short. We are the small bullyed kid in the neighbourhood. Yet here we are. And there you are. HAhaha "our best farmers". It is the LAND which makes our products good, not the farmers. If it were because of technical proficiency we would have been overtaken by EU/USA long ago in terms of farming. You are bullied because Uruguayans tend to act butthurt (like you) in every thread were Argentina is discussed. The real deal is nobody cares about Uruguay, live with it. Yeah, here I am, I go once a year to Uruguay to fornicate with your women and drink your wine, and thats about it.
True... we are humble. And what i say is... you should be even more  .
Both wine and women are better in Argentine i have to admint. Both i know out of experience. Both are also cheaper.
It is the land that makes the products good? That just proves all my points.
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On June 18 2011 03:58 ElPeque.fogata wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 03:52 Ganjamaster wrote:On June 18 2011 03:46 ElPeque.fogata wrote:On June 18 2011 03:22 Ganjamaster wrote:On June 18 2011 03:13 ElPeque.fogata wrote:On June 18 2011 01:31 IntoTheWow wrote:On June 17 2011 20:38 Deleuze wrote:
They have run out or coins at the moment as there poor economy doesn't permit them to make any
more. Haha, sorry but this is so wrong it's funny. I don't know where you read this. The coin thing has nothing to do with our economy but with our bus system :p (Argentina was one of the few countries that kept on growing in the middle of the economic crisis and holds on to some big reserves right now). Oh! But do we know our beloved neighbors! - You manipulate your inflation measurements to suit whatever you want. - You can't even pay your foreign debt. We now a days hear about Greece may have to default Well, Argentina has been in default for quite a while now... - Your bonds are worth nothing because no one trusts you will ever pay. - You stole your coutrymen's retirement funds to try to even your spending deficit. Central bank reserves by themselves mean nothing. You can't touch them without spiraling either inflation or the exchange rate out of the scale, shooting yourself in the foot. You can cheat on your accounting for a while, but it will blow up in your faces as it always did and as it is about to happen in Spain, Greece, et al. And you achieve all that even though in terms of natural resources you should be within the top 5 richest countries in the world. Yet always so cocky i'm not sure if it is painful or funny. No wonder the rest of the south american countries smile to each others in irony when the spoiled single child calls for special attention. Economic crisis? What crisis? Your government congratulates itself on having survived when all the rest plummeted. Newsflash!!! All your neighbors did and are doing much much better. Mostly not because of doing things right (in many cases just the opposite) but because of not doing them as wrong as you did/are doing. And the reason we are doing pretty good right now is that our economies depend on commodities. And in times of crisis, people stop buying appartments, then cars, then computers, then ipods......... but they'll keep on buying food. So this post-modern banana republic pride is ridiculous. Same story during the world wars. Uruguay was recalled by many as "the Switzerland of America" during those times. My ancestors believed the phrase literally and came here from europe to find a better life and they certainly did. Then the first world stopped buying us dry canned meat at the price of gold. We then didn't want to wake up to reallity and kept the spending without getting any better at doing anything (we are so great!). We went bankrupt, social living standards plummeted. Social unrest. And the conditions were met for whatever right or left wing totalitarian to take control. We all had our own flavor of dictator. But even our dictators facepalmed when you invaded the Malvinas. We, Uruguayans have almost the same ethnicity as Argentinians (a little more spanish and less italian blood), and have very similar flavor of spanish, so we are usually mistaken for Argentinians. As tourists, we learn to be outspoken about our nationality to avoid confusion and so we are treated with less distrust. You are so quick to point out our flaws and yet your economy depends a great deal on us. Many of the things you consume are made by us, you watch our media and you benefit from out tourism. Your whole economy is based on the black, illegal money of argentines deposited in your unscrupulous banks and deregulated financial system, so if I were you I would shut up and pour yourself another mate because if we took all that money out you would have to swim across the river to clean toilets. @IntoTheWow So economic/social policies (trade restrictions, social programmes) are not relevant policies to be discussed? We can continue this elsehwere, I agree we have derailed too much. Well... Nope. That is what your government tells you. Argentinians account for 30% of the money in Uruguayan banks. It would only hurt us if they took it all away in one sweep. That is exactly what happened in 2002 when we had to refinance our debt and you defaulted. And the main reason Argentinians put their money in here is because Argentina has a long history of manipulating their economy, switching rules on the fly, expropiating, and just being too corrupt. Which is just bad for business. And you know what? We are doing particularily good right now because your government sucks so much that your best farmers are MOVING to our lands because even though your land is much more fertile, they make more money in our shitty lands and much worse exchange rate, boosting our exports. Actually... Why don't you pay us a visit and see how much you can buy here with Argentinian pesos. You might be surprised. (I go to buenos aires once in a while to buy cheap stuff ). In any case. Both Argentina and Brazil have always fucked with us. Our country is very small, we have no scale productivity, no oil, no gas (though now it seems there is some study that says we might), and Brazil and Argentina are both huge both in human and natural resources, and both have very high trade restrictions for our products. And they even prohibit us from doing commerce treaties with other countries else we would be more severely punished with tariffs, etc. Long story short. We are the small bullyed kid in the neighbourhood. Yet here we are. And there you are. HAhaha "our best farmers". It is the LAND which makes our products good, not the farmers. If it were because of technical proficiency we would have been overtaken by EU/USA long ago in terms of farming. You are bullied because Uruguayans tend to act butthurt (like you) in every thread were Argentina is discussed. The real deal is nobody cares about Uruguay, live with it. Yeah, here I am, I go once a year to Uruguay to fornicate with your women and drink your wine, and thats about it. True... we are humble. And what i say is... you should be even more . Both wine and women are better in Argentine i have to admint. Both i know out of experience. Both are also cheaper. It is the land that makes the products good? That just proves all my points.
It proves nothing, since there is no such thing as "our best farmers". You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. And "official" figures regarding undeclared funding held in Uruguayan banks means jackshit, for obvious reasons. But I will not derail this thread further with this petty bickering.
Uruguay denied the British entry into their port which is nice of our fellow brothers across the river, our supposed brothers across the Andes, on the other hand...
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@Ganjamaster.
Do you think your Government would try to invade again? I hope not.
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No, we are not invading anything, drteeth. We don't have resources to afford a war (we didn't have them back then either) or popular consent to do such a stupid thing.
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On June 18 2011 04:22 xxxxxxb wrote:
No, we are not invading anything, drteeth. We don't have resources to afford a war (we didn't have them back then either) or popular consent.
That's good, loss of life is always regrettable, no matter what side you fight for. And with all our forces off fighting Americas war on terrorism I don't think we could spare the troops lol
Thanks mate
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On June 18 2011 04:16 Drteeth wrote:
@Ganjamaster.
Do you think your Government would try to invade again? I hope not.
Everyone in Argentina knows what an astronomical fuckup the falklands war was, no one considers it to be a real possibility.
Additionally, Argentina does not have a standing army per se, so it would not be actually possible even if we wanted to.
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On June 18 2011 04:11 Ganjamaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 03:58 ElPeque.fogata wrote:On June 18 2011 03:52 Ganjamaster wrote:On June 18 2011 03:46 ElPeque.fogata wrote:On June 18 2011 03:22 Ganjamaster wrote:On June 18 2011 03:13 ElPeque.fogata wrote:On June 18 2011 01:31 IntoTheWow wrote:On June 17 2011 20:38 Deleuze wrote:
They have run out or coins at the moment as there poor economy doesn't permit them to make any
more. Haha, sorry but this is so wrong it's funny. I don't know where you read this. The coin thing has nothing to do with our economy but with our bus system :p (Argentina was one of the few countries that kept on growing in the middle of the economic crisis and holds on to some big reserves right now). Oh! But do we know our beloved neighbors! - You manipulate your inflation measurements to suit whatever you want. - You can't even pay your foreign debt. We now a days hear about Greece may have to default Well, Argentina has been in default for quite a while now... - Your bonds are worth nothing because no one trusts you will ever pay. - You stole your coutrymen's retirement funds to try to even your spending deficit. Central bank reserves by themselves mean nothing. You can't touch them without spiraling either inflation or the exchange rate out of the scale, shooting yourself in the foot. You can cheat on your accounting for a while, but it will blow up in your faces as it always did and as it is about to happen in Spain, Greece, et al. And you achieve all that even though in terms of natural resources you should be within the top 5 richest countries in the world. Yet always so cocky i'm not sure if it is painful or funny. No wonder the rest of the south american countries smile to each others in irony when the spoiled single child calls for special attention. Economic crisis? What crisis? Your government congratulates itself on having survived when all the rest plummeted. Newsflash!!! All your neighbors did and are doing much much better. Mostly not because of doing things right (in many cases just the opposite) but because of not doing them as wrong as you did/are doing. And the reason we are doing pretty good right now is that our economies depend on commodities. And in times of crisis, people stop buying appartments, then cars, then computers, then ipods......... but they'll keep on buying food. So this post-modern banana republic pride is ridiculous. Same story during the world wars. Uruguay was recalled by many as "the Switzerland of America" during those times. My ancestors believed the phrase literally and came here from europe to find a better life and they certainly did. Then the first world stopped buying us dry canned meat at the price of gold. We then didn't want to wake up to reallity and kept the spending without getting any better at doing anything (we are so great!). We went bankrupt, social living standards plummeted. Social unrest. And the conditions were met for whatever right or left wing totalitarian to take control. We all had our own flavor of dictator. But even our dictators facepalmed when you invaded the Malvinas. We, Uruguayans have almost the same ethnicity as Argentinians (a little more spanish and less italian blood), and have very similar flavor of spanish, so we are usually mistaken for Argentinians. As tourists, we learn to be outspoken about our nationality to avoid confusion and so we are treated with less distrust. You are so quick to point out our flaws and yet your economy depends a great deal on us. Many of the things you consume are made by us, you watch our media and you benefit from out tourism. Your whole economy is based on the black, illegal money of argentines deposited in your unscrupulous banks and deregulated financial system, so if I were you I would shut up and pour yourself another mate because if we took all that money out you would have to swim across the river to clean toilets. @IntoTheWow So economic/social policies (trade restrictions, social programmes) are not relevant policies to be discussed? We can continue this elsehwere, I agree we have derailed too much. Well... Nope. That is what your government tells you. Argentinians account for 30% of the money in Uruguayan banks. It would only hurt us if they took it all away in one sweep. That is exactly what happened in 2002 when we had to refinance our debt and you defaulted. And the main reason Argentinians put their money in here is because Argentina has a long history of manipulating their economy, switching rules on the fly, expropiating, and just being too corrupt. Which is just bad for business. And you know what? We are doing particularily good right now because your government sucks so much that your best farmers are MOVING to our lands because even though your land is much more fertile, they make more money in our shitty lands and much worse exchange rate, boosting our exports. Actually... Why don't you pay us a visit and see how much you can buy here with Argentinian pesos. You might be surprised. (I go to buenos aires once in a while to buy cheap stuff ). In any case. Both Argentina and Brazil have always fucked with us. Our country is very small, we have no scale productivity, no oil, no gas (though now it seems there is some study that says we might), and Brazil and Argentina are both huge both in human and natural resources, and both have very high trade restrictions for our products. And they even prohibit us from doing commerce treaties with other countries else we would be more severely punished with tariffs, etc. Long story short. We are the small bullyed kid in the neighbourhood. Yet here we are. And there you are. HAhaha "our best farmers". It is the LAND which makes our products good, not the farmers. If it were because of technical proficiency we would have been overtaken by EU/USA long ago in terms of farming. You are bullied because Uruguayans tend to act butthurt (like you) in every thread were Argentina is discussed. The real deal is nobody cares about Uruguay, live with it. Yeah, here I am, I go once a year to Uruguay to fornicate with your women and drink your wine, and thats about it. True... we are humble. And what i say is... you should be even more . Both wine and women are better in Argentine i have to admint. Both i know out of experience. Both are also cheaper. It is the land that makes the products good? That just proves all my points. It proves nothing, since there is no such thing as "our best farmers". You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. And "official" figures regarding undeclared funding held in Uruguayan banks means jackshit, for obvious reasons. But I will not derail this thread further with this petty bickering. Uruguay denied the British entry into their port which is nice of our fellow brothers across the river, our supposed brothers across the Andes, on the other hand...
If it is the land and not the farmer, then there is no merit in being efficient, competitive, doing things better, etc. And land doesn't get better just by itself, so there is no way anything is going to get better with such idea.
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Every deposit above 10k must be declared. Uruguay just refuses to give that information to the Argentinian Tax authority. And it is not like people come in boats with money in plastic bags. It usually happens by buying stocks from argentina and selling them from uruguay and from there it is no longer under Argentinian control. From here it usually goes to switzerland.
If i happen to go to the bank with 200k in a bag and ask to make a deposit showing no papers they will call the police 
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And true. We denied the British ships from refueling in our country because even tough we are small, we have our dignity. We remained neutral. I'm happy about that, and i would be ashamed if it had been otherwise. Shame on you chile
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On June 18 2011 04:34 ElPeque.fogata wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 04:11 Ganjamaster wrote:On June 18 2011 03:58 ElPeque.fogata wrote:On June 18 2011 03:52 Ganjamaster wrote:On June 18 2011 03:46 ElPeque.fogata wrote:On June 18 2011 03:22 Ganjamaster wrote:On June 18 2011 03:13 ElPeque.fogata wrote:On June 18 2011 01:31 IntoTheWow wrote:On June 17 2011 20:38 Deleuze wrote:
They have run out or coins at the moment as there poor economy doesn't permit them to make any
more. Haha, sorry but this is so wrong it's funny. I don't know where you read this. The coin thing has nothing to do with our economy but with our bus system :p (Argentina was one of the few countries that kept on growing in the middle of the economic crisis and holds on to some big reserves right now). Oh! But do we know our beloved neighbors! - You manipulate your inflation measurements to suit whatever you want. - You can't even pay your foreign debt. We now a days hear about Greece may have to default Well, Argentina has been in default for quite a while now... - Your bonds are worth nothing because no one trusts you will ever pay. - You stole your coutrymen's retirement funds to try to even your spending deficit. Central bank reserves by themselves mean nothing. You can't touch them without spiraling either inflation or the exchange rate out of the scale, shooting yourself in the foot. You can cheat on your accounting for a while, but it will blow up in your faces as it always did and as it is about to happen in Spain, Greece, et al. And you achieve all that even though in terms of natural resources you should be within the top 5 richest countries in the world. Yet always so cocky i'm not sure if it is painful or funny. No wonder the rest of the south american countries smile to each others in irony when the spoiled single child calls for special attention. Economic crisis? What crisis? Your government congratulates itself on having survived when all the rest plummeted. Newsflash!!! All your neighbors did and are doing much much better. Mostly not because of doing things right (in many cases just the opposite) but because of not doing them as wrong as you did/are doing. And the reason we are doing pretty good right now is that our economies depend on commodities. And in times of crisis, people stop buying appartments, then cars, then computers, then ipods......... but they'll keep on buying food. So this post-modern banana republic pride is ridiculous. Same story during the world wars. Uruguay was recalled by many as "the Switzerland of America" during those times. My ancestors believed the phrase literally and came here from europe to find a better life and they certainly did. Then the first world stopped buying us dry canned meat at the price of gold. We then didn't want to wake up to reallity and kept the spending without getting any better at doing anything (we are so great!). We went bankrupt, social living standards plummeted. Social unrest. And the conditions were met for whatever right or left wing totalitarian to take control. We all had our own flavor of dictator. But even our dictators facepalmed when you invaded the Malvinas. We, Uruguayans have almost the same ethnicity as Argentinians (a little more spanish and less italian blood), and have very similar flavor of spanish, so we are usually mistaken for Argentinians. As tourists, we learn to be outspoken about our nationality to avoid confusion and so we are treated with less distrust. You are so quick to point out our flaws and yet your economy depends a great deal on us. Many of the things you consume are made by us, you watch our media and you benefit from out tourism. Your whole economy is based on the black, illegal money of argentines deposited in your unscrupulous banks and deregulated financial system, so if I were you I would shut up and pour yourself another mate because if we took all that money out you would have to swim across the river to clean toilets. @IntoTheWow So economic/social policies (trade restrictions, social programmes) are not relevant policies to be discussed? We can continue this elsehwere, I agree we have derailed too much. Well... Nope. That is what your government tells you. Argentinians account for 30% of the money in Uruguayan banks. It would only hurt us if they took it all away in one sweep. That is exactly what happened in 2002 when we had to refinance our debt and you defaulted. And the main reason Argentinians put their money in here is because Argentina has a long history of manipulating their economy, switching rules on the fly, expropiating, and just being too corrupt. Which is just bad for business. And you know what? We are doing particularily good right now because your government sucks so much that your best farmers are MOVING to our lands because even though your land is much more fertile, they make more money in our shitty lands and much worse exchange rate, boosting our exports. Actually... Why don't you pay us a visit and see how much you can buy here with Argentinian pesos. You might be surprised. (I go to buenos aires once in a while to buy cheap stuff ). In any case. Both Argentina and Brazil have always fucked with us. Our country is very small, we have no scale productivity, no oil, no gas (though now it seems there is some study that says we might), and Brazil and Argentina are both huge both in human and natural resources, and both have very high trade restrictions for our products. And they even prohibit us from doing commerce treaties with other countries else we would be more severely punished with tariffs, etc. Long story short. We are the small bullyed kid in the neighbourhood. Yet here we are. And there you are. HAhaha "our best farmers". It is the LAND which makes our products good, not the farmers. If it were because of technical proficiency we would have been overtaken by EU/USA long ago in terms of farming. You are bullied because Uruguayans tend to act butthurt (like you) in every thread were Argentina is discussed. The real deal is nobody cares about Uruguay, live with it. Yeah, here I am, I go once a year to Uruguay to fornicate with your women and drink your wine, and thats about it. True... we are humble. And what i say is... you should be even more . Both wine and women are better in Argentine i have to admint. Both i know out of experience. Both are also cheaper. It is the land that makes the products good? That just proves all my points. It proves nothing, since there is no such thing as "our best farmers". You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. And "official" figures regarding undeclared funding held in Uruguayan banks means jackshit, for obvious reasons. But I will not derail this thread further with this petty bickering. Uruguay denied the British entry into their port which is nice of our fellow brothers across the river, our supposed brothers across the Andes, on the other hand... Every deposit above 10k must be declared. Uruguay just refuses to give that information to the Argentinian Tax authority. And it is not like people come in boats with money in plastic bags.
This statement is incredibly naive.I know many, many people who do exactly that. And there are ways to get around declaring deposits in Uruguay which I am not not entirely familiar with but know their existence for sure. I am sure you see all the shiny new buildings in Punta, does that ring any bells? lol.
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Did you guys know that most of the public houses, (pubs) didn't allow British servicemen in after the war? Don't know what it's like now but the locals were the most awful bunch of people I have ever met, you'd think they would have loved us ...
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On June 18 2011 04:42 Drteeth wrote:
Did you guys know that most of the public houses, (pubs) didn't allow British servicemen in after the war? Don't know what it's like now but the locals were the most awful bunch of people I have ever met, you'd think they would have loved us ...
That is terrible. There were actually some problems with the locals and some Argentine ex-combatants who wanted to go to the war cemetery at the islands and honor their comrades and were denied or something along those lines, so I hear they are not the nicest of people.
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On June 18 2011 04:48 Ganjamaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 04:42 Drteeth wrote:
Did you guys know that most of the public houses, (pubs) didn't allow British servicemen in after the war? Don't know what it's like now but the locals were the most awful bunch of people I have ever met, you'd think they would have loved us ... That is terrible. There were actually some problems with the locals and some Argentine ex-combatants who wanted to go to the war cemetery at the islands and honor their comrades and were denied or something along those lines, so I hear they are not the nicest of people.
No they weren't sadly. And to deny people, no matter what side they fought on, the chance to say goodbye to comrades/brothers is truly disgusting.
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Argentina has no right to the Islands. At all. Read your history even historically they never had a claim they only want it now because of oil. All of the residents self identify as British, want British rule of law and have more in common with Britons than Argentinians.
Anyone who says Argentina is in the right is an idiot
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On June 18 2011 04:57 hicks91 wrote:
Argentina has no right to the Islands. At all. Read your history even historically they never had a claim they only want it now because of oil. All of the residents self identify as British, want British rule of law and have more in common with Britons than Argentinians.
Anyone who says Argentina is in the right is an idiot
they may want British rule of law etc etc but they don't want servicemen in their pubs or their island. They can go rot for me. I was there to save them and lost friends and yet I couldn't have a drink in a pub which I helped liberate??
they actually identify as "falkand islanders" until they want something.
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I was there in 82 fella and believe me I know. And the day I listen to anything the daily mail says it will be a sad one.
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On June 18 2011 05:03 Drteeth wrote:I was there in 82 fella and believe me I know. And the day I listen to anything the daily mail says it will be a sad one.
Super respect for serving the country, you have more balls than me but really the evidence seems thin on the ground, if that happened it would be splashed over the front pages
That article was 2006 anyway! the celebration went ahead as planned
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You would be sooooooo suprised at what got left out of the papers about the "conflict"
Goverments being brought down type of stuff. it's all tied up in the official secrets act classed as above top secret.
Let's not forget Mrs Thatcher was in charge during the falklands, if she told me grass was green I would check to see if she was telling the truth.
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On June 18 2011 04:41 Ganjamaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 04:34 ElPeque.fogata wrote:On June 18 2011 04:11 Ganjamaster wrote:On June 18 2011 03:58 ElPeque.fogata wrote:On June 18 2011 03:52 Ganjamaster wrote:On June 18 2011 03:46 ElPeque.fogata wrote:On June 18 2011 03:22 Ganjamaster wrote:On June 18 2011 03:13 ElPeque.fogata wrote:On June 18 2011 01:31 IntoTheWow wrote:On June 17 2011 20:38 Deleuze wrote:
They have run out or coins at the moment as there poor economy doesn't permit them to make any
more. Haha, sorry but this is so wrong it's funny. I don't know where you read this. The coin thing has nothing to do with our economy but with our bus system :p (Argentina was one of the few countries that kept on growing in the middle of the economic crisis and holds on to some big reserves right now). Oh! But do we know our beloved neighbors! - You manipulate your inflation measurements to suit whatever you want. - You can't even pay your foreign debt. We now a days hear about Greece may have to default Well, Argentina has been in default for quite a while now... - Your bonds are worth nothing because no one trusts you will ever pay. - You stole your coutrymen's retirement funds to try to even your spending deficit. Central bank reserves by themselves mean nothing. You can't touch them without spiraling either inflation or the exchange rate out of the scale, shooting yourself in the foot. You can cheat on your accounting for a while, but it will blow up in your faces as it always did and as it is about to happen in Spain, Greece, et al. And you achieve all that even though in terms of natural resources you should be within the top 5 richest countries in the world. Yet always so cocky i'm not sure if it is painful or funny. No wonder the rest of the south american countries smile to each others in irony when the spoiled single child calls for special attention. Economic crisis? What crisis? Your government congratulates itself on having survived when all the rest plummeted. Newsflash!!! All your neighbors did and are doing much much better. Mostly not because of doing things right (in many cases just the opposite) but because of not doing them as wrong as you did/are doing. And the reason we are doing pretty good right now is that our economies depend on commodities. And in times of crisis, people stop buying appartments, then cars, then computers, then ipods......... but they'll keep on buying food. So this post-modern banana republic pride is ridiculous. Same story during the world wars. Uruguay was recalled by many as "the Switzerland of America" during those times. My ancestors believed the phrase literally and came here from europe to find a better life and they certainly did. Then the first world stopped buying us dry canned meat at the price of gold. We then didn't want to wake up to reallity and kept the spending without getting any better at doing anything (we are so great!). We went bankrupt, social living standards plummeted. Social unrest. And the conditions were met for whatever right or left wing totalitarian to take control. We all had our own flavor of dictator. But even our dictators facepalmed when you invaded the Malvinas. We, Uruguayans have almost the same ethnicity as Argentinians (a little more spanish and less italian blood), and have very similar flavor of spanish, so we are usually mistaken for Argentinians. As tourists, we learn to be outspoken about our nationality to avoid confusion and so we are treated with less distrust. You are so quick to point out our flaws and yet your economy depends a great deal on us. Many of the things you consume are made by us, you watch our media and you benefit from out tourism. Your whole economy is based on the black, illegal money of argentines deposited in your unscrupulous banks and deregulated financial system, so if I were you I would shut up and pour yourself another mate because if we took all that money out you would have to swim across the river to clean toilets. @IntoTheWow So economic/social policies (trade restrictions, social programmes) are not relevant policies to be discussed? We can continue this elsehwere, I agree we have derailed too much. Well... Nope. That is what your government tells you. Argentinians account for 30% of the money in Uruguayan banks. It would only hurt us if they took it all away in one sweep. That is exactly what happened in 2002 when we had to refinance our debt and you defaulted. And the main reason Argentinians put their money in here is because Argentina has a long history of manipulating their economy, switching rules on the fly, expropiating, and just being too corrupt. Which is just bad for business. And you know what? We are doing particularily good right now because your government sucks so much that your best farmers are MOVING to our lands because even though your land is much more fertile, they make more money in our shitty lands and much worse exchange rate, boosting our exports. Actually... Why don't you pay us a visit and see how much you can buy here with Argentinian pesos. You might be surprised. (I go to buenos aires once in a while to buy cheap stuff ). In any case. Both Argentina and Brazil have always fucked with us. Our country is very small, we have no scale productivity, no oil, no gas (though now it seems there is some study that says we might), and Brazil and Argentina are both huge both in human and natural resources, and both have very high trade restrictions for our products. And they even prohibit us from doing commerce treaties with other countries else we would be more severely punished with tariffs, etc. Long story short. We are the small bullyed kid in the neighbourhood. Yet here we are. And there you are. HAhaha "our best farmers". It is the LAND which makes our products good, not the farmers. If it were because of technical proficiency we would have been overtaken by EU/USA long ago in terms of farming. You are bullied because Uruguayans tend to act butthurt (like you) in every thread were Argentina is discussed. The real deal is nobody cares about Uruguay, live with it. Yeah, here I am, I go once a year to Uruguay to fornicate with your women and drink your wine, and thats about it. True... we are humble. And what i say is... you should be even more . Both wine and women are better in Argentine i have to admint. Both i know out of experience. Both are also cheaper. It is the land that makes the products good? That just proves all my points. It proves nothing, since there is no such thing as "our best farmers". You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. And "official" figures regarding undeclared funding held in Uruguayan banks means jackshit, for obvious reasons. But I will not derail this thread further with this petty bickering. Uruguay denied the British entry into their port which is nice of our fellow brothers across the river, our supposed brothers across the Andes, on the other hand... Every deposit above 10k must be declared. Uruguay just refuses to give that information to the Argentinian Tax authority. And it is not like people come in boats with money in plastic bags. This statement is incredibly naive.I know many, many people who do exactly that. And there are ways to get around declaring deposits in Uruguay which I am not not entirely familiar with but know their existence for sure. I am sure you see all the shiny new buildings in Punta, does that ring any bells? lol.
Yes, that stuff surely happens. Some illegal stuff is very hard to detect. But it is not much different in this country than anywhere else. The thing is, the Argentinian government tries to expropiate or tax argentinian money. Argentinians do anything possible to take the money outside. They could take it anywhere once then can. Uruguay is just next door so it is very confortable. And once the money is in uruguay, it is free to do anything, buy bonds, stocks, currency exchange, etc. Argentina has very tight controls on all that. Uruguay has a more capitalist / free market attitude.
I mean, i could send all my money in the bank in Montevideo to a bank in Switzerland by just making a phone call (as in most outside of china, north korea, cuba). In Argentina, Venezuela, or even Brazil to a certain extent, you can't. So that is normal.
Argentina just makes people not want to have their money in argentina, then makes it illegal to take the money away. It such idea doesn't work for them... well... better do something else.
But anyway, we make some profit out of it, but it is not like the whole country runs on it, only a few work on banks. At most, it makes credit a little somewhat cheaper and thus boost the economy.
Regarding shiny buildings in Punta del Este. Yeah, that is really weird, i agree. But i think that is just another "bubble". Fear of the stock market is causing the world to invest in real state in emerging economies. As everything goes back to normal, we'll see what happens.
I hope it crashes soon so i can buy my own appartment in Punta del Este really cheap .
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On June 18 2011 05:17 ElPeque.fogata wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 04:41 Ganjamaster wrote:On June 18 2011 04:34 ElPeque.fogata wrote:On June 18 2011 04:11 Ganjamaster wrote:On June 18 2011 03:58 ElPeque.fogata wrote:On June 18 2011 03:52 Ganjamaster wrote:On June 18 2011 03:46 ElPeque.fogata wrote:On June 18 2011 03:22 Ganjamaster wrote:On June 18 2011 03:13 ElPeque.fogata wrote:On June 18 2011 01:31 IntoTheWow wrote:
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Haha, sorry but this is so wrong it's funny. I don't know where you read this. The coin thing has nothing to do with our economy but with our bus system :p
(Argentina was one of the few countries that kept on growing in the middle of the economic crisis and holds on to some big reserves right now).
Oh! But do we know our beloved neighbors! - You manipulate your inflation measurements to suit whatever you want. - You can't even pay your foreign debt. We now a days hear about Greece may have to default Well, Argentina has been in default for quite a while now... - Your bonds are worth nothing because no one trusts you will ever pay. - You stole your coutrymen's retirement funds to try to even your spending deficit. Central bank reserves by themselves mean nothing. You can't touch them without spiraling either inflation or the exchange rate out of the scale, shooting yourself in the foot. You can cheat on your accounting for a while, but it will blow up in your faces as it always did and as it is about to happen in Spain, Greece, et al. And you achieve all that even though in terms of natural resources you should be within the top 5 richest countries in the world. Yet always so cocky i'm not sure if it is painful or funny. No wonder the rest of the south american countries smile to each others in irony when the spoiled single child calls for special attention. Economic crisis? What crisis? Your government congratulates itself on having survived when all the rest plummeted. Newsflash!!! All your neighbors did and are doing much much better. Mostly not because of doing things right (in many cases just the opposite) but because of not doing them as wrong as you did/are doing. And the reason we are doing pretty good right now is that our economies depend on commodities. And in times of crisis, people stop buying appartments, then cars, then computers, then ipods......... but they'll keep on buying food. So this post-modern banana republic pride is ridiculous. Same story during the world wars. Uruguay was recalled by many as "the Switzerland of America" during those times. My ancestors believed the phrase literally and came here from europe to find a better life and they certainly did. Then the first world stopped buying us dry canned meat at the price of gold. We then didn't want to wake up to reallity and kept the spending without getting any better at doing anything (we are so great!). We went bankrupt, social living standards plummeted. Social unrest. And the conditions were met for whatever right or left wing totalitarian to take control. We all had our own flavor of dictator. But even our dictators facepalmed when you invaded the Malvinas. We, Uruguayans have almost the same ethnicity as Argentinians (a little more spanish and less italian blood), and have very similar flavor of spanish, so we are usually mistaken for Argentinians. As tourists, we learn to be outspoken about our nationality to avoid confusion and so we are treated with less distrust. You are so quick to point out our flaws and yet your economy depends a great deal on us. Many of the things you consume are made by us, you watch our media and you benefit from out tourism. Your whole economy is based on the black, illegal money of argentines deposited in your unscrupulous banks and deregulated financial system, so if I were you I would shut up and pour yourself another mate because if we took all that money out you would have to swim across the river to clean toilets. @IntoTheWow So economic/social policies (trade restrictions, social programmes) are not relevant policies to be discussed? We can continue this elsehwere, I agree we have derailed too much. Well... Nope. That is what your government tells you. Argentinians account for 30% of the money in Uruguayan banks. It would only hurt us if they took it all away in one sweep. That is exactly what happened in 2002 when we had to refinance our debt and you defaulted. And the main reason Argentinians put their money in here is because Argentina has a long history of manipulating their economy, switching rules on the fly, expropiating, and just being too corrupt. Which is just bad for business. And you know what? We are doing particularily good right now because your government sucks so much that your best farmers are MOVING to our lands because even though your land is much more fertile, they make more money in our shitty lands and much worse exchange rate, boosting our exports. Actually... Why don't you pay us a visit and see how much you can buy here with Argentinian pesos. You might be surprised. (I go to buenos aires once in a while to buy cheap stuff ). In any case. Both Argentina and Brazil have always fucked with us. Our country is very small, we have no scale productivity, no oil, no gas (though now it seems there is some study that says we might), and Brazil and Argentina are both huge both in human and natural resources, and both have very high trade restrictions for our products. And they even prohibit us from doing commerce treaties with other countries else we would be more severely punished with tariffs, etc. Long story short. We are the small bullyed kid in the neighbourhood. Yet here we are. And there you are. HAhaha "our best farmers". It is the LAND which makes our products good, not the farmers. If it were because of technical proficiency we would have been overtaken by EU/USA long ago in terms of farming. You are bullied because Uruguayans tend to act butthurt (like you) in every thread were Argentina is discussed. The real deal is nobody cares about Uruguay, live with it. Yeah, here I am, I go once a year to Uruguay to fornicate with your women and drink your wine, and thats about it. True... we are humble. And what i say is... you should be even more . Both wine and women are better in Argentine i have to admint. Both i know out of experience. Both are also cheaper. It is the land that makes the products good? That just proves all my points. It proves nothing, since there is no such thing as "our best farmers". You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. And "official" figures regarding undeclared funding held in Uruguayan banks means jackshit, for obvious reasons. But I will not derail this thread further with this petty bickering. Uruguay denied the British entry into their port which is nice of our fellow brothers across the river, our supposed brothers across the Andes, on the other hand... Every deposit above 10k must be declared. Uruguay just refuses to give that information to the Argentinian Tax authority. And it is not like people come in boats with money in plastic bags. This statement is incredibly naive.I know many, many people who do exactly that. And there are ways to get around declaring deposits in Uruguay which I am not not entirely familiar with but know their existence for sure. I am sure you see all the shiny new buildings in Punta, does that ring any bells? lol. Yes, that stuff surely happens. Some illegal stuff is very hard to detect. But it is not much different in this country than anywhere else. The thing is, the Argentinian government tries to expropiate or tax argentinian money. Argentinians do anything possible to take the money outside. They could take it anywhere once then can. Uruguay is just next door so it is very confortable. And once the money is in uruguay, it is free to do anything, buy bonds, stocks, currency exchange, etc. Argentina has very tight controls on all that. Uruguay has a more capitalist / free market attitude. I mean, i could send all my money in the bank in Montevideo to a bank in Switzerland by just making a phone call (as in most outside of china, north korea, cuba). In Argentina, Venezuela, or even Brazil to a certain extent, you can't. So that is normal. Argentina just makes people not want to have their money in argentina, then makes it illegal to take the money away. It such idea doesn't work for them... well... better do something else. But anyway, we make some profit out of it, but it is not like the whole country runs on it, only a few work on banks. At most, it makes credit a little somewhat cheaper and thus boost the economy. Regarding shiny buildings in Punta del Este. Yeah, that is really weird, i agree. But i think that is just another "bubble". Fear of the stock market is causing the world to invest in real state in emerging economies. As everything goes back to normal, we'll see what happens. I hope it crashes soon so i can buy my own appartment in Punta del Este really cheap .
Uruguay has not fully implemented the FATF standards, and as such remains a Tax Haven
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Cooperative_Countries_or_Territories
You make it sound like the financial system in Uruguay is the norm whereas it is not, as it operates as an offshore financial center.
Most of the new buildings in Punta are money laundering schemes.
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Dark green: substantially implemented the standard
Light green: committed to the standard, but have not yet substantially implemented it
Red: Have not commited to the standard
Grey: Jurisdiction not monitored.
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Yup. Argentina is putting a lot of pressure to force uruguay to share its banking information so they can tax money that argentinians have in uruguay.
FATF standards are just a tool for powerful countries to force others to do what they want. A country should be free to set its own laws and standards regarding how they organize their taxes. In the end, its about freedom. Not only corporations compete, countries also compete. To compete you have to be efficient.
Inneficient countries (very high taxes) lose competitivity against countries that have low taxes. That is plain simple.
But polititians need high taxes to make politics. They need money to "do stuff" to then take credit for it. So how do they solve the ecuation?
They FORCE other countries to also tax so they will not be more efficient and thus run them out of business.
How? Like with FATF, OCDE, etc. And if you fail to comply, they impose extra tariffs and stuff on you. Its the new way of colonialism.
The other part of the irony, is that besides the "money laundering argument", Uruguay is within the less corrupt countries in the world, wereas Argentina is within the most corrupt.
http://www.transparency.org/policy_research/surveys_indices/cpi/2010/results
And it all works against all of us in the end. Attacking countries with low taxes, or "tax havens" as they say, is the best way of letting your own country tax the hell out of you and getting away with it.
Competition man. Its good.
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