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WickeD
Profile Joined April 2003
Slovakia789 Posts
January 30 2005 05:47 GMT
#1
Does anybody have some pics of Min Seok - the blind BW player? He played Boxer in a special showmatch at the Blizz World Wide Invitational tourney... Thx!!
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TeRRan`UseR
Profile Joined December 2004
Canada692 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-01-30 06:10:17
January 30 2005 06:06 GMT
#2
Wtf, how would that work....Thats impossible.
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lDaSl
Profile Joined January 2005
United States27 Posts
January 30 2005 06:09 GMT
#3
How could you be blind a play bw..?
How do I get out of this chicken shit outfit?!~~~
SiS
Profile Joined June 2004
United States753 Posts
January 30 2005 06:10 GMT
#4
No, he goes by the game sounds

anyway go to wgtour and check the article section (?) because I remember reading a very lengthy report with pictures at wgtour
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TeRRan`UseR
Profile Joined December 2004
Canada692 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-01-30 06:11:55
January 30 2005 06:10 GMT
#5
Maybe it was elky with an extra dark pair of Oaklies on...

EDIT: LOL GAME SOUNDS? "Your forces are underattack" "WHERE?!!?!?! I'M BLIIIIIIIND!"
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Kaotu
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States986 Posts
January 30 2005 06:20 GMT
#6
he only played 1 map i think (challenger hehe), and he knows exact keyboard strokes to get to certain places on map, and he hotkeys the bases (like the base locations of the map) so he can send all his units there (like 1a f2 click, 2a f2 click, etc) quickly. Its not like he micros or anything, but still impressive.

Oh and btw boxer kind of abused him to win. He like... ran his marines past units without attacking, since he was blind and wouldn't be able to see them in his base until he attacked. And he lifted his CC and built a new base, because blind guy detroyed his original base then got confused at what was happening.
SiS
Profile Joined June 2004
United States753 Posts
January 30 2005 06:26 GMT
#7
On January 30 2005 15:10 TeRRan`UseR wrote:
EDIT: LOL GAME SOUNDS? "Your forces are underattack" "WHERE?!!?!?! I'M BLIIIIIIIND!"


LOL YES!!1211!2@!!11!!1one!11!eleven!!!11

Boxer also had to play blindfolded at the start and then when he was allowed to take off his blind fold, he wasnt allowed to use his mini map and also when he first took off his blind fold, all but one of his SCVs were idle
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TheGoliath
Profile Joined September 2004
United States682 Posts
January 30 2005 06:45 GMT
#8
On January 30 2005 15:20 Kaotu wrote:
he only played 1 map i think (challenger hehe), and he knows exact keyboard strokes to get to certain places on map, and he hotkeys the bases (like the base locations of the map) so he can send all his units there (like 1a f2 click, 2a f2 click, etc) quickly. Its not like he micros or anything, but still impressive.

Oh and btw boxer kind of abused him to win. He like... ran his marines past units without attacking, since he was blind and wouldn't be able to see them in his base until he attacked. And he lifted his CC and built a new base, because blind guy detroyed his original base then got confused at what was happening.


i knew about the other stuff, but the bolded move is fucking pimp.
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Live2Win *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6657 Posts
January 30 2005 06:48 GMT
#9
yes, I saw that game VOD... The rules were that BoxeR had to play the first 5 minutes with blindfolds on. I can't remember anything about the minimap, but I guess that's correct... uh... also, the map was a money map, cuz I guess the blind guy can't play like that. Also, the way the blind guy plays is that he uses the sound, hotkeys (alot) and a combination of all of them to cooridinate his units and stff like that. For example, in order to count his units, he has them surround his hatchery, and have them attack it for a split second, then, judging by the sound, he estimates how many units he has...

and when he took it off, (like mentioned above) he was totally behind, while the blind guy ling rushed him... Basically what happened was BoxeR had to lift, (btw, map was indeed challanger) and take a mineral only expo.

The blind guy eventually found it, and brought like lurk/ling and killed it. BoxeR lifted it, waited, then landed back at the same place. The blind guy, thinking he went to islands, got ovie drop/speed. Boxer gets gas from his original main by building a cc to a corner, so that the ling that's covering the spot wasn't close enough to attack...

There was one sexy moment when the blind guy brought like 10 hydras to BoxeR's mineral-only (his main base in this case) and morphed em all at once... while boxer had like 10-ish marines, and no medics. He quickly built like 5 bunkers and a few turrets, and as soon as the lurkers morphed, boxer stims, and attacks while the lurkers start to burrow. Then he sends all his marines into the bunkers, and just barely kills em all as he looses most of his bunkers/rines...'

boxer eventually wins cuz he walks his units behind the dude's base... so he doesn't know, then attacks all his drones, and catches him completely off guard... it was nice, and cheap at the same time.
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lastas
Profile Joined May 2003
Sweden1219 Posts
January 30 2005 07:00 GMT
#10
the blind guy even expanded, that was impressive :O:O
gg
mahc
Profile Joined November 2004
United States874 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-01-30 07:11:17
January 30 2005 07:01 GMT
#11
heres a thread about it

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage-10490.html


pics and stuff here :
http://www.wgtour.com/news.php?idN=6543&datab=broodwar
lIlIlIlIlIlI
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Korea (South)3851 Posts
January 30 2005 07:03 GMT
#12
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cYaN
Profile Joined May 2004
Norway3322 Posts
January 30 2005 07:19 GMT
#13
that's just wrong. in a lot of ways.
baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10541 Posts
January 30 2005 07:22 GMT
#14
i hate people admiring the blind gamer, its just an idiot who cant accept their own limits and instead of doing things he can he insists on things he cant...

i can take him 20-0 so whats the point -_-; dumbass blind.
Im back, in pog form!
SiS
Profile Joined June 2004
United States753 Posts
January 30 2005 07:26 GMT
#15
Yeah, he played and almost beat the best SC player in the world. This is one video game that is defintely out of this kid's grasp
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Geval
Profile Joined September 2004
788 Posts
January 30 2005 07:33 GMT
#16
On January 30 2005 16:22 baal wrote:
i hate people admiring the blind gamer, its just an idiot who cant accept their own limits and instead of doing things he can he insists on things he cant...

i can take him 20-0 so whats the point -_-; dumbass blind.

you are definately wrong the blind guy can beat 50%(I believe there are even more starcraft noobs) of non blind starcraft players.....
I think that you are the person who doesnt know their limitation
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[BOyGiRl]ShaRp
Profile Joined July 2004
Korea (S)1912 Posts
January 30 2005 07:46 GMT
#17
On January 30 2005 16:22 baal wrote:
i hate people admiring the blind gamer, its just an idiot who cant accept their own limits and instead of doing things he can he insists on things he cant...

i can take him 20-0 so whats the point -_-; dumbass blind.


your the dumbass -_-
Hexatron Bba!!
SojT
Profile Joined February 2004
United States789 Posts
January 30 2005 07:48 GMT
#18
i remember when the game was coming to an end boxer typed something like "you're so gosu!"
and the blind guy was like O______O "WHAT DID HE SAY??"
and i felt bad for the blind guy
=]
n00bsaibot
Profile Joined November 2004
United States1070 Posts
January 30 2005 07:53 GMT
#19
On January 30 2005 16:22 baal wrote:
i hate people admiring the blind gamer, its just an idiot who cant accept their own limits and instead of doing things he can he insists on things he cant...

i can take him 20-0 so whats the point -_-; dumbass blind.
How is he any more limitted than the players he can beat?
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Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12235 Posts
January 30 2005 07:56 GMT
#20
On January 30 2005 16:48 SojT wrote:
i remember when the game was coming to an end boxer typed something like "you're so gosu!"
and the blind guy was like O______O "WHAT DID HE SAY??"
and i felt bad for the blind guy


He said "u r the best" but I really have no idea why he would type that to a blind player. Maybe he did it so Min-seok's friends could tell him that Boxer admired him after the game. I thought that game was really good. At first I thought it was pretty bad mannered of Boxer to play the way he did. Then I thought about it some more, and it seemed like Boxer was intentionally trying to trick the blind player just to see how he would respond. I think the response of Min-seok, the way he reacted to Boxer's trickery, was what truly impressed Boxer.
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Unforgiven
Profile Joined September 2004
Venezuela238 Posts
January 30 2005 08:08 GMT
#21
On January 30 2005 16:22 baal wrote:
i hate people admiring the blind gamer, its just an idiot who cant accept their own limits and instead of doing things he can he insists on things he cant...

i can take him 20-0 so whats the point -_-; dumbass blind.


and i hate people like you...mexicano imbécil
u are soooooooooo stupid, and lamer of course
-.-v
Locked
Profile Joined September 2004
United States4182 Posts
January 30 2005 08:11 GMT
#22
On January 30 2005 16:26 SiS wrote:
Yeah, he played and almost beat the best SC player in the world. This is one video game that is defintely out of this kid's grasp


it would be more impressive if boxer wasn't ALSO handicapped --;

still cool though that hes able to play it at some level, although by the sounds of it (ling rush failing even though boxer is idle for first 5 minutes?????) i don't think he would be able to beat most average gamers
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Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12235 Posts
January 30 2005 08:14 GMT
#23
On January 30 2005 17:11 Locked wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2005 16:26 SiS wrote:
Yeah, he played and almost beat the best SC player in the world. This is one video game that is defintely out of this kid's grasp


it would be more impressive if boxer wasn't ALSO handicapped --;

still cool though that hes able to play it at some level, although by the sounds of it (ling rush failing even though boxer is idle for first 5 minutes?????) i don't think he would be able to beat most average gamers


I believe Boxer only had to have the blindfold on for two minutes.
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TeRRan`UseR
Profile Joined December 2004
Canada692 Posts
January 30 2005 10:47 GMT
#24
Ok, well now I understand. Saying straight up that a blind guy plays BW is really uninformative. Now that I know he only plays one map and he memorized key strokes to certain locations and such makes more sense.
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SiS
Profile Joined June 2004
United States753 Posts
January 30 2005 11:44 GMT
#25
On January 30 2005 17:11 Locked wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2005 16:26 SiS wrote:
Yeah, he played and almost beat the best SC player in the world. This is one video game that is defintely out of this kid's grasp


it would be more impressive if boxer wasn't ALSO handicapped --;

still cool though that hes able to play it at some level, although by the sounds of it (ling rush failing even though boxer is idle for first 5 minutes?????) i don't think he would be able to beat most average gamers


That wasn't the point I was trying to make. baal was making it sound like the kid was clinically retarded or some shit and had no right to play starcraft when the guy had actually found a way to play and gave Boxer a good game (showing that SC is actually within his limits, it doesnt matter if he can get beaten 20-0 by regular people, he can still play it)
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insaneknights
Profile Joined January 2005
482 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-01-30 12:00:35
January 30 2005 11:56 GMT
#26
Im sure most people here would agree that the real idiot is one who lets a disability hamper their way of life!
lIlIlIlIlIlI
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Korea (South)3851 Posts
January 30 2005 12:00 GMT
#27
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HeadBangaa
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6512 Posts
January 30 2005 12:29 GMT
#28
I remember watching that VOD. The link I used is broken now, I wish I had saved it. It's worth a look, I really thought Boxer was gonna lose.
People who fail to distinguish Socratic Method from malicious trolling are sadly stupid and not worth a response.
Bard
Profile Joined November 2004
Jamaica898 Posts
January 30 2005 12:39 GMT
#29
one thing you have to know is.. the greateness of SC/BW.

since game is so well made (each unit has own sound, own hot keys etc) even blind people can play and win about 50%

isn't that amazing?
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red.venom
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4651 Posts
January 30 2005 13:54 GMT
#30
On January 30 2005 16:22 baal wrote:
i hate people admiring the blind gamer, its just an idiot who cant accept their own limits and instead of doing things he can he insists on things he cant...

i can take him 20-0 so whats the point -_-; dumbass blind.


This just makes me fucking sad. So what if he wants to try? I doubt he believes he could be the best like so many people online do. Maybe you should just try not posting on the internet because you are clearly not very good at it(Thus please realize your own limits and stop)!
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baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10541 Posts
January 30 2005 14:47 GMT
#31
On January 30 2005 16:26 SiS wrote:
Yeah, he played and almost beat the best SC player in the world. This is one video game that is defintely out of this kid's grasp


Yeah because boxer was blindfolded duh!!, ofcourse the blind will beat boxer in a blind match, he has been blind for a long time and boxer hastn, thats idiotic.
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baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10541 Posts
January 30 2005 14:51 GMT
#32
On January 30 2005 16:33 Geval wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2005 16:22 baal wrote:
i hate people admiring the blind gamer, its just an idiot who cant accept their own limits and instead of doing things he can he insists on things he cant...

i can take him 20-0 so whats the point -_-; dumbass blind.

you are definately wrong the blind guy can beat 50%(I believe there are even more starcraft noobs) of non blind starcraft players.....
I think that you are the person who doesnt know their limitation


First of all i dont think you watched carefully, he CANT beat 50% of all the starcraft players, and lets say he can do it...

Any player spending the same amount of practice this guy has will beat the shit out of him.

I forgot the "we have to suck cripples dick", im not saying any lie at all, he is blind so he will freaking suck at things that require sight, if you have a limitation then go find another way, dont insist to view when you cant.

And why im not aware of my own limitations, dont reply things without thinking before ok?
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baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10541 Posts
January 30 2005 14:55 GMT
#33
On January 30 2005 20:56 insaneknights wrote:
Im sure most people here would agree that the real idiot is one who lets a disability hamper their way of life!


No the real idiot is the one who doesnt accept their handicap, there are dozen of thousands of things a handicapped can do, but nope some insist in the one they fucking cant do... way to go.
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WickeD
Profile Joined April 2003
Slovakia789 Posts
January 30 2005 15:41 GMT
#34
Baal ur very wrong. Min Seok does know his limitations. He just went beyond those. U think he dreams about being a progamer? No. He just wanted to play a game he likes. I think to go beyond ur own limitations is what makes a person great. I respect Min Seok for trying and doing his best. What limitations of ur own have u surpassed?
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Inspire
Profile Joined March 2003
132 Posts
January 30 2005 16:08 GMT
#35
It was very nice game played by the blind. Even after 3 minutes when Boxer had blindfold taken off he was way behind and rushed by 6 zerglings.With blindfold the game would end after 6 maybe 7 minutes. Then without trick Boxer used vs lurkers he would lose, but it was 30 minutes game.

I am very sorry for people like baal. Maybe the best way for you is also to be blind and maybe then you will understand some things. WickeD well written
WickeD
Profile Joined April 2003
Slovakia789 Posts
January 30 2005 16:12 GMT
#36
Thx. The pics on WGT don't show for me... Anybody got them stored somewhere?
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ScoliosiS
Profile Joined December 2003
283 Posts
January 30 2005 16:13 GMT
#37
How come nobody talks about how Boxer disgracefully won? I woulda let the kid won and tried to make it look like i was doing my best ffs. Oh well, i dont know the full story of it.
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froZen_wYnd
Profile Joined October 2004
Canada270 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-01-30 16:29:39
January 30 2005 16:26 GMT
#38
On January 30 2005 16:22 baal wrote:
i hate people admiring the blind gamer, its just an idiot who cant accept their own limits and instead of doing things he can he insists on things he cant...

i can take him 20-0 so whats the point -_-; dumbass blind.



i lost all respect for u, if i had any at all
that kid can beat most of sc noobs
u can, the very least give him props for liking the game and playing it with the barriers he has.
tree
Profile Joined October 2004
United States591 Posts
January 30 2005 16:53 GMT
#39
God I cannot believe someone really plays sc blind, you konw how long he had to play to get perfect concentration and konwing every part of the map. That is amazing
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baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10541 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-01-30 17:55:17
January 30 2005 17:50 GMT
#40
On January 31 2005 00:41 WickeD wrote:
Baal ur very wrong. Min Seok does know his limitations. He just went beyond those. U think he dreams about being a progamer? No. He just wanted to play a game he likes. I think to go beyond ur own limitations is what makes a person great. I respect Min Seok for trying and doing his best. What limitations of ur own have u surpassed?


errr... limitations cant be surpassed lol, thats why they are limitations >.<

He hasnt surpassed anything, he is just a blind that try to play bw, what is so awesome about him, so he pseudo-plays bw guided by sound, so?... do you have a record of other blind people trying this and failing?.. because that would mean he actually is excelling from others but wait.. he is not, he is simply doing something other blinds arent that stupid to try.

I find dumb that he tries to do that instead of other things he can do way better, but i guess everyone can spend their time as they want, the problem is that you all suck his cock for doing absolutely nothing, he hasnt excelled in anything at all still i see his cock really soaking in saliva.
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As.I.Lay.Dying
Profile Joined December 2004
United States456 Posts
January 30 2005 18:16 GMT
#41
On January 30 2005 16:22 baal wrote:
i hate people admiring the blind gamer, its just an idiot who cant accept their own limits and instead of doing things he can he insists on things he cant...

i can take him 20-0 so whats the point -_-; dumbass blind.


Someone is just mad because the Blind starcraft player can get games with better people than Baal can.
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WickeD
Profile Joined April 2003
Slovakia789 Posts
January 30 2005 18:24 GMT
#42
Baal, after ur last post, I think there is nothing to add, except I am very sorry for u. I know u won't understand. Plz close, and someone find me the pics ^^.
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jtan
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden5891 Posts
January 30 2005 18:58 GMT
#43
Hmmm boxer wasnt idle for 3 minuits was he? I remember he was blindfolded too. But not sure.
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Chobohobo
Profile Joined January 2004
United States945 Posts
January 30 2005 19:13 GMT
#44
Baal we all know that he isnt good because hes fucking blind. But the rest of humanity can just look at him and give him some respect for trying. But for some reason you feel the need to point out the obvious saying that he "sucks" and that he's an "idiot". You must feel threatened by a blind bw player ~_~
[G]Max_Power
Profile Joined January 2003
Slovakia304 Posts
January 30 2005 19:30 GMT
#45
baal
i own you 99x out of 100 games k?
you sux
1 beer plz
exalted
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States3612 Posts
January 30 2005 19:32 GMT
#46
baal
you suck at everything, have you even accomplished anything with your life? have you done ANYTHING noteworthy? no? you're no better than the blind gamer, when you die you'll be remembered by being a dumb prick-

this and the other post about hating stupidity while acting so ignorant has made me hate you as a poster and a human being
too easy
BishopONe
Profile Joined November 2003
Spain242 Posts
January 30 2005 20:00 GMT
#47
On January 30 2005 16:22 baal wrote:
i hate people admiring the blind gamer, its just an idiot who cant accept their own limits and instead of doing things he can he insists on things he cant...

i can take him 20-0 so whats the point -_-; dumbass blind.


hope you become blind one day and tell us then how do you feel about it, try and look for some empathy!
:D
[BOyGiRl]ShaRp
Profile Joined July 2004
Korea (S)1912 Posts
January 30 2005 20:07 GMT
#48
hey baal.
In the other thread you said "I won't understand because I am young." Yes i am young, I'm only 19, but do you get the picture that your opinions can be wrong? Or do you still think you are the only right person and all these other people who disagree with you are too young/stupid to understand.
Hexatron Bba!!
RaiZ
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
2813 Posts
January 30 2005 20:16 GMT
#49
Baal i think i can understand what u're trying to say because i'm myself a handicaped player (deaf) but your logic seems to be wrong : I don't know why you noticed things about limitations : Basically it's the same that ur body can't smoke weed nor shit but u do and u even buy, spend time to find weed, smoke it, etc. instead of spending time to others things. So why can't blind player plays bw even if it's hard ? Think about it.
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RiSE
Profile Joined April 2004
United States3182 Posts
January 30 2005 20:23 GMT
#50
That's why I love boxer. He overcame that cheese rush and raped the kid.
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[ErOs]~InCoGniTo
Profile Joined June 2004
Italy513 Posts
January 30 2005 20:36 GMT
#51
pretty funny story, some blind guy vs the best player ever haha
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Louder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States2276 Posts
January 30 2005 21:04 GMT
#52
On January 30 2005 16:22 baal wrote:
i hate people admiring the blind gamer, its just an idiot who cant accept their own limits and instead of doing things he can he insists on things he cant...

i can take him 20-0 so whats the point -_-; dumbass blind.


retard.

ban
baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10541 Posts
January 31 2005 05:43 GMT
#53
On January 31 2005 05:16 RaiZ wrote:
Baal i think i can understand what u're trying to say because i'm myself a handicaped player (deaf) but your logic seems to be wrong : I don't know why you noticed things about limitations : Basically it's the same that ur body can't smoke weed nor shit but u do and u even buy, spend time to find weed, smoke it, etc. instead of spending time to others things. So why can't blind player plays bw even if it's hard ? Think about it.


I have nothing against him playing, i think its kind of dumb if he can do other things like probably playing music or plenty of other things, but if he likes it, its kinda ok if he does, what i dont agree with, is that people suck his cock for being blind and playing wtf!

You are deaf and you play BW, i think you wouldnt like people giving you props and cheering you, only because you are a handicapped, atleast i would like to be appreciated for something i really do well not for phoney simpathy to wash away their guilt in their subconcient, i find it disgusting and probably you have felt that phoney simpathy.

Probably you understand what im saying, if i were a handicapped i would like to be appreciated for what i am, not because im a fucking cripple everyone has to pity me and suck my dick for things i dont deserve.

And louden you are a moron, why asking for a Ban im simply posting my opinion, its not as politically correct as yours... so bohooo ban anyone who disagrees with your phoney beliefs?
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SiS
Profile Joined June 2004
United States753 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-01-31 05:59:16
January 31 2005 05:56 GMT
#54
"what i dont agree with, is that people suck his cock for being blind and playing wtf!"

Not one person sucked his cock for being blind and playing SC when you 1st posted this argument in the thread. No one even said anything positive about it before you posted. The only post I saw after skimming thru here that can even remotely be related to cock sucking is Bard's post, which wasn't really aimed at the blind kid as much as it was SC itself (Edit - And lastas' post can also be remotely related to cock sucking even though he only commented on his expanding)

So unless there was another thread on this topic or you're talking about the WGT thread, I think no one is going to agree with this stupid argument of yours
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Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-01-31 05:58:26
January 31 2005 05:56 GMT
#55
Very nice -_- You realize the kid isn't an idiot because he plays sc, can't admit it and jump to another point.

I'm not sucking his cock, it's just that he can do something I cannot and people are always amazed by things they can't do and never in their dreams could picture themselves doing it. I'm really impressed, how you can get on with live, even if you do not have eyesight.

Edit: What I agree on with you is that I don't like people with that condescending pity (can't express it better in english), but I really didn't feel too much in this thread.
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WickeD
Profile Joined April 2003
Slovakia789 Posts
January 31 2005 06:38 GMT
#56
I do not pitty Min-Seok, nor is my respect for him "phoney". I just acknowledge the fact that he does something, I thought of as impossible... He plays BW although he is blind. I am 23 and I have no need to discuss this with u, but Baal, learn something from this topic. Things u consider simple can be difficult for others, doesn't matter if they are difficult because of a handicap or just plain difficult. To do something really difficult is worthy of my respect whether it's a blind guy playing BW or Nada gosu vulture control. And plz no more flaming, or BAN HIM posts. Just post arguments not endless childish flame.
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NonYold
Profile Joined April 2004
United States2814 Posts
January 31 2005 06:54 GMT
#57
On January 31 2005 01:13 ScoliosiS wrote:
How come nobody talks about how Boxer disgracefully won? I woulda let the kid won and tried to make it look like i was doing my best ffs. Oh well, i dont know the full story of it.


i think the greatest respect boxer could give him is his best efforts.. as it went, boxer had a very hard time anyway so i think it all turned out for the best ;o
baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10541 Posts
January 31 2005 09:34 GMT
#58
Chris just beated a terran computer blindfolded with 4 pool... Chris > Blind guy... go suck his cock.
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raidern_br
Profile Joined November 2002
Brazil610 Posts
January 31 2005 10:22 GMT
#59
errr... limitations cant be surpassed lol, thats why they are limitations >.<


man.. you are SO wrong, SO wrong T_T

if the human being didnt try to reach the impossible, we would not be enjoying what today is possible

you can always go beyond your limitations, and then other limitations will come

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Hydrolisko
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Vanuatu1659 Posts
January 31 2005 10:26 GMT
#60
damn man baal boy needs some attention... someone appreciate him for something.. find something he did well and praise him.. the guy prolly needs some lovin'
BroOd
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Austin10831 Posts
January 31 2005 10:46 GMT
#61
On January 31 2005 18:34 baal wrote:
Chris just beated a terran computer blindfolded with 4 pool... Chris > Blind guy... go suck his cock.


Right, because Chris, a person who has played the game many times with perfectly clear vision, is comparable to someone who has never seen any part of this game EVER. Also, a terran computer is comparable to arguably the best starcraft player in history. Great analogy, big guy. Did you get picked on by the blind kids in school or something?
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Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
January 31 2005 10:49 GMT
#62
Lmfao pwnt, just forget posting in this thread man.
EchoOfRain
Profile Joined November 2004
United States516 Posts
January 31 2005 10:58 GMT
#63
Baal is just one of those people that has never ever done anything noteworthy or interesting in his pathetic, miserable, lonely life, and he hates it when other people get recognition for anything because it only serves to compound his own inadequicies.
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ItchReliever
Profile Joined April 2004
2489 Posts
January 31 2005 11:00 GMT
#64
i have pity towards disabled/retarded people. the fact that this guy attempted to overcome his disability is cool.

^ fact
ItchReliever
Profile Joined April 2004
2489 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-01-31 11:00:40
January 31 2005 11:00 GMT
#65
and you're all being idiots yourselves by assuming things about baal
ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
January 31 2005 11:03 GMT
#66
Honestly, why do you people have to take something that was obviously said in tongue and cheek and jump on it like that.

Quit flaming the guy like he's a damn witch.
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Profile Joined January 2005
United States2290 Posts
January 31 2005 11:30 GMT
#67
how does someone that's blind know where the enemy's units are?
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hak
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Sweden768 Posts
January 31 2005 11:45 GMT
#68
On January 30 2005 16:22 baal wrote:
i hate people admiring the blind gamer, its just an idiot who cant accept their own limits and instead of doing things he can he insists on things he cant...

i can take him 20-0 so whats the point -_-; dumbass blind.


one of the most retarded post I've read in a long time
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Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6657 Posts
January 31 2005 12:00 GMT
#69
Baal, we all think Min-Seok is really cool for being able to do something many people consider impossible. We did not say OMG HE'S MY IDOL, we did not worship him or do any "cock-sucking". The only thing people did was admire his ability to overcome his disadvantage by using his other senses to the max. Many people consider this amazing because of all the disadvantage u get from not being able to see. I don't understand why u keep on insisting to go on with a battle u can't win.
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TeRRan`UseR
Profile Joined December 2004
Canada692 Posts
January 31 2005 12:11 GMT
#70
Baal just wants attention, and you guys are giving it to him
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baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10541 Posts
January 31 2005 13:36 GMT
#71
On January 31 2005 19:58 EchoOfRain wrote:
Baal is just one of those people that has never ever done anything noteworthy or interesting in his pathetic, miserable, lonely life, and he hates it when other people get recognition for anything because it only serves to compound his own inadequicies.


You missed the color of my eyes and my mom's single name -_- moron.


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baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10541 Posts
January 31 2005 13:37 GMT
#72
On January 31 2005 19:22 raidern_br wrote:
Show nested quote +
errr... limitations cant be surpassed lol, thats why they are limitations >.<


man.. you are SO wrong, SO wrong T_T

if the human being didnt try to reach the impossible, we would not be enjoying what today is possible

you can always go beyond your limitations, and then other limitations will come



Then they are not limitations duh!, limitations, from limit, a thing you cannot surpass, impossible, something not possible.

You cant surpass a limit, you cant do the impossible -_- jeez.
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RaiZ
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
2813 Posts
January 31 2005 19:35 GMT
#73
On January 31 2005 14:43 baal wrote:

I have nothing against him playing, i think its kind of dumb if he can do other things like probably playing music or plenty of other things, but if he likes it, its kinda ok if he does, what i dont agree with, is that people suck his cock for being blind and playing wtf!

You are deaf and you play BW, i think you wouldnt like people giving you props and cheering you, only because you are a handicapped, atleast i would like to be appreciated for something i really do well not for phoney simpathy to wash away their guilt in their subconcient, i find it disgusting and probably you have felt that phoney simpathy.

Probably you understand what im saying, if i were a handicapped i would like to be appreciated for what i am, not because im a fucking cripple everyone has to pity me and suck my dick for things i dont deserve.

And louden you are a moron, why asking for a Ban im simply posting my opinion, its not as politically correct as yours... so bohooo ban anyone who disagrees with your phoney beliefs?


At least the blind korean asked nothing. He didn't asked to have his dick sucked.
You're not handicapped so u can't know its true meaning (pity).
There's some right points but it's not a reason to flame him since he managed to play pretty well with his blind eyes.
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Doctorasul
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Romania1145 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-01-31 23:39:12
January 31 2005 20:33 GMT
#74
This is fascinating... Was he blind at birth or did he lose his sight along the way? It just doesn't seem possible if he has never seen the game, like BroOd suggested earlier.

Do any of you have the vod or a link to somewhere where it can be downloaded from? I would really like to see this.
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Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
January 31 2005 20:38 GMT
#75
I seem to remember from an old thread that he wasn't born blind, not sure though.
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HeavenS
Profile Joined August 2004
Colombia2259 Posts
January 31 2005 20:40 GMT
#76
On January 30 2005 16:22 baal wrote:
i hate people admiring the blind gamer, its just an idiot who cant accept their own limits and instead of doing things he can he insists on things he cant...

i can take him 20-0 so whats the point -_-; dumbass blind.


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poor newb
Profile Joined April 2004
United States1879 Posts
January 31 2005 21:10 GMT
#77
to be fair, boxer should be blindfolded for the whole match
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JohnnyTable
Profile Joined September 2004
Canada47 Posts
January 31 2005 21:13 GMT
#78
so no one has the VOD link?

and we've resorted to mocking the talent of a blind gamer......nice....
RaiZ
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
2813 Posts
February 01 2005 04:04 GMT
#79
The vod was special, i think it was before a televised match or something, and the demand was huge. Therefore it was a little difficult to have this vod. Also the game wasn't very enjoyable to watch, the camera mostly focused on his keyboard/face/screen to see how he could play.
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BlasTyTossY
Profile Joined January 2005
Portugal47 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-02-01 05:17:21
February 01 2005 05:15 GMT
#80
We can always enlarge our limits. We enlarge our limits by surpassing them.

Before anyone tryed to make a boat the sea was our limits when someone did we enlarged our limits.Sea was no longer such a problem as before. Is it that hard to understand?

I don't know about u but I don't know if u would have the strengh to handle blindness.We congrat that kid by knowing his limits and not acepting them.

btw, I don't understand how can anyone not feel pity for those people and feel amazed when they can live fulfill their dreams or projectes.
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FoxBlade
Profile Joined October 2003
United States17 Posts
February 01 2005 05:48 GMT
#81
On January 31 2005 22:37 baal wrote:
Then they are not limitations duh!, limitations, from limit, a thing you cannot surpass, impossible, something not possible.

You cant surpass a limit, you cant do the impossible -_- jeez.


Well actually you're still wrong baal -_-;

lim·it Audio pronunciation of "limit" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lmt)
n.

1. The point, edge, or line beyond which something cannot or may not proceed.
2. limits The boundary surrounding a specific area; bounds: within the city limits.
3. A confining or restricting object, agent, or influence.
4. The greatest or least amount, number, or extent allowed or possible: a withdrawal limit of $200; no minimum age limit.
5. Games. The largest amount which may be bet at one time in games of chance.
6. Abbr. lim Mathematics. A number or point L that is approached by a function f(x) as x approaches a if, for every positive number, there exists a number such that f(x)-L < if 0 < x-a <. Also called limit point, point of accumulation.
7. Informal. One that approaches or exceeds certain limits, as of credibility, forbearance, or acceptability: He is the limit of irresponsibility.

Basically all Limit means is that it is a line that is drawn so to speak, for example you can bench press 100lbs, that is your limit, BUT keep practicing and your limit will increase.
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
February 01 2005 08:24 GMT
#82
Heh, is that really a fair matchup? Take a professional sprinter, hack one of his legs off, and have him race a cripple.
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0_0
Profile Joined April 2004
United States2090 Posts
February 01 2005 08:57 GMT
#83
On February 01 2005 04:35 RaiZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2005 14:43 baal wrote:

I have nothing against him playing, i think its kind of dumb if he can do other things like probably playing music or plenty of other things, but if he likes it, its kinda ok if he does, what i dont agree with, is that people suck his cock for being blind and playing wtf!

You are deaf and you play BW, i think you wouldnt like people giving you props and cheering you, only because you are a handicapped, atleast i would like to be appreciated for something i really do well not for phoney simpathy to wash away their guilt in their subconcient, i find it disgusting and probably you have felt that phoney simpathy.

Probably you understand what im saying, if i were a handicapped i would like to be appreciated for what i am, not because im a fucking cripple everyone has to pity me and suck my dick for things i dont deserve.

And louden you are a moron, why asking for a Ban im simply posting my opinion, its not as politically correct as yours... so bohooo ban anyone who disagrees with your phoney beliefs?


At least the blind korean asked nothing. He didn't asked to have his dick sucked.
You're not handicapped so u can't know its true meaning (pity).
There's some right points but it's not a reason to flame him since he managed to play pretty well with his blind eyes.


Yeah, I gotta agree with you. I hate it when people treat someone else so differently and phoneyly(thats not a word right? :-p) because they are some how "inferior" to them. They feel like need to symphathize them. Like when they talk slowly and try to pretend to be best buds with the guy. But its not the fault of the guy who is getting treated differently.

If anything, I'm sure he just wants to be treated like any other normal person. Its the fault of society in general for this crap, its ridiculous.
JohnnyTable
Profile Joined September 2004
Canada47 Posts
February 01 2005 09:03 GMT
#84
On February 01 2005 13:04 RaiZ wrote:
The vod was special, i think it was before a televised match or something, and the demand was huge. Therefore it was a little difficult to have this vod. Also the game wasn't very enjoyable to watch, the camera mostly focused on his keyboard/face/screen to see how he could play.


The Keyboard/Face/Screen would be what I'd want to see.......seeing the game from boxers 1st person perspective would probably defeat the purpose
Element)LoGiC
Profile Joined July 2003
Canada1143 Posts
February 01 2005 09:25 GMT
#85
None of you even understand where baal comes from on his posts, do you?
ubergamer15
Profile Joined January 2005
United States645 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-02-01 09:51:12
February 01 2005 09:50 GMT
#86
Look, baal, I'm clearly considearbly newer to this site that you are, so I'm going to do the sensible thing and not contradict you directly. I do, however, belive that your use of, err, shall I say, rather vivid imagery when referring to the player in question here, is uncalled for, to say the least. Maybe he doesn't know his limits, in your opinion, and maybe he never will surpass his limitations as you say, but in no way does that make him someone who gets this attention by being a pity-party and relying on the world around him to see him as something he's not. On the contrary, it must of taken the whole of his being just to put himself out there and try. He deserves every credit we can give him for having the integrity to get out there and not be afraid of criticism like yours. I'm not saying he should be heralded as a "Starcraft Prodigy", but we at least owe him the favor of not having to take the shit you are currently dishing out. Give the kid a fucking break, please.
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baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10541 Posts
February 01 2005 10:26 GMT
#87
On February 01 2005 18:25 Element)LoGiC wrote:
None of you even understand where baal comes from on his posts, do you?


what do you mean o_o
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kuwakJai
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
Thailand198 Posts
February 01 2005 10:33 GMT
#88
On January 30 2005 16:22 baal wrote:
i hate people admiring the blind gamer, its just an idiot who cant accept their own limits and instead of doing things he can he insists on things he cant...

i can take him 20-0 so whats the point -_-; dumbass blind.


ive nvr liked this kid.

im sorry u get cum jizzed on ur face all the time but hey... sad to say it is inevitable, as maybe ur limit that ur reflexes arent 'sperm' enuff to dudge em, hey ?




the Illuminated lantern
baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10541 Posts
February 01 2005 10:36 GMT
#89
On February 01 2005 14:48 FoxBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2005 22:37 baal wrote:
Then they are not limitations duh!, limitations, from limit, a thing you cannot surpass, impossible, something not possible.

You cant surpass a limit, you cant do the impossible -_- jeez.


Well actually you're still wrong baal -_-;

lim·it Audio pronunciation of "limit" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lmt)
n.

1. The point, edge, or line beyond which something cannot or may not proceed.
2. limits The boundary surrounding a specific area; bounds: within the city limits.
3. A confining or restricting object, agent, or influence.
4. The greatest or least amount, number, or extent allowed or possible: a withdrawal limit of $200; no minimum age limit.
5. Games. The largest amount which may be bet at one time in games of chance.
6. Abbr. lim Mathematics. A number or point L that is approached by a function f(x) as x approaches a if, for every positive number, there exists a number such that f(x)-L < if 0 < x-a <. Also called limit point, point of accumulation.
7. Informal. One that approaches or exceeds certain limits, as of credibility, forbearance, or acceptability: He is the limit of irresponsibility.

Basically all Limit means is that it is a line that is drawn so to speak, for example you can bench press 100lbs, that is your limit, BUT keep practicing and your limit will increase.


100lbs wasnt a total limit, it was a limit with his current muscular mass, he will never ever be able to lift an X amount of weight doesnt matter how much he trains, same as this kid will never see or be as skillfull in things that require sight as a normal people, he has to learn that he is blind, anyway that is not the point >.<
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Element)LoGiC
Profile Joined July 2003
Canada1143 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-02-01 11:13:15
February 01 2005 11:02 GMT
#90
On February 01 2005 19:26 baal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2005 18:25 Element)LoGiC wrote:
None of you even understand where baal comes from on his posts, do you?


what do you mean o_o


I'm saying that due to various circumstances, you've become an extremely realistic person. I read your posts, and I read peoples responses to them, and the thing that they never understand is that in reality, as harsh as it is, you're usually right.

Trying your hardest to do things that normal people can do while being limited in ways they are not will not help you, it will bring you temporary happiness because of the people that will be impressed, but in the end, you are left with nothing.

However, it is his choice, and you know what, playing bw blinded, as futile as it seems realistically, is a respectable thing to accomplish, you may not be good, you may not win, but can you imagine what goes through his head when he plays sc? Do you imagine how proud of himself he is when he has learned to accomodate to bw in ways some people can't even imagine?
Can you imagine the amount of happiness this young man has accumulated? Perhaps this happiness, being that it is based on the responses he generates from awed audiences, seems empty and shallow, but can you honestly say that your happiness is any less so?

However, realistically, this man has achieved no more, and probably much less, than people who play the exact same game, and even though he has dedicated himself to playing it even with his limitations, it's time he moved on from this dream, and learned to use what he has, and not what he has not.

Regardless, I truly believe that baal does not deserve to be flamed for responding in the manner he did, nor does anyone else for the same, a persons view point need be understood, not condemned.
baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10541 Posts
February 01 2005 11:15 GMT
#91
OMFG WTF O_________O, you got it, i knew you had vision, but judging for some posts i saw time ago from you i thought it was a very narrow one, good to know there are actually people with intelect.

i have to admit i was mistaken in taking it directly into the kid what it really bothers me is the wrong simpathy ppl feel for cripples, thats the way society pushes them to act.





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BroOd
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Austin10831 Posts
February 01 2005 13:13 GMT
#92
Then say what you mean next time baal, not just spout the first piece of inflamatory bullshit that pops into your head. Logic, what part of baal's assertion that this boy is a dumbass, an idiot with unrealistic goals, do you find "right"? I also find it particularly ridiculous that you would presume to know what would make this boy happy, or why he's set such a goal for himself. Is it because you find starcraft to be a trivial hobby? Would you say the same thing to an American boy in a wheelchair who wants to play basketball with his friends? I don't even know what you think, as your post is a huge contradiction.
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FrEaK[S.sIR]
Profile Joined October 2002
2373 Posts
February 01 2005 13:35 GMT
#93
What most of you don't realize is that he didn't play starcraft to impress people, nor did he do it to become great. His friend's at school were playing it and talking about it and he wanted to experience it himself, he wanted to play this wonderful game his friends were talking about. So he learned how.

It has nothing to do with fucking limitations or some stupid shit like that. He wanted to take part in something with his friends, no matter how hard he had to try.
Element)LoGiC
Profile Joined July 2003
Canada1143 Posts
February 01 2005 13:38 GMT
#94
On February 01 2005 22:13 BroOd wrote:
Then say what you mean next time baal, not just spout the first piece of inflamatory bullshit that pops into your head. Logic, what part of baal's assertion that this boy is a dumbass, an idiot with unrealistic goals, do you find "right"? I also find it particularly ridiculous that you would presume to know what would make this boy happy, or why he's set such a goal for himself. Is it because you find starcraft to be a trivial hobby? Would you say the same thing to an American boy in a wheelchair who wants to play basketball with his friends? I don't even know what you think, as your post is a huge contradiction.


Well, I don't agree completely with the way he said it, but I do see what means by it. ("it" being his harsh words)

I never said I agreed with him. I said he was "right" in terms of being beneficial to you realistically, which (I may be wrong) I don't think being able to play starcraft while being blind would be.

I didn't assume I knew what made him happy, but I thought I would use it in the context given to me(by baal) where he generally states that he thinks this boy is made happy by the people that are impressed with him, which may either be one, or none of a lot of things that do so.

Keep in mind that my post is only a contradiction if I said I agreed with baal, or the things I was pointing out that are merely the results of looking at this situation in as close as eyes as I can get to baal's.
BroOd
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Austin10831 Posts
February 01 2005 13:49 GMT
#95
On February 01 2005 22:38 Element)LoGiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2005 22:13 BroOd wrote:
Then say what you mean next time baal, not just spout the first piece of inflamatory bullshit that pops into your head. Logic, what part of baal's assertion that this boy is a dumbass, an idiot with unrealistic goals, do you find "right"? I also find it particularly ridiculous that you would presume to know what would make this boy happy, or why he's set such a goal for himself. Is it because you find starcraft to be a trivial hobby? Would you say the same thing to an American boy in a wheelchair who wants to play basketball with his friends? I don't even know what you think, as your post is a huge contradiction.


Well, I don't agree completely with the way he said it, but I do see what means by it. ("it" being his harsh words)

I never said I agreed with him. I said he was "right" in terms of being beneficial to you realistically, which (I may be wrong) I don't think being able to play starcraft while being blind would be.

I didn't assume I knew what made him happy, but I thought I would use it in the context given to me(by baal) where he generally states that he thinks this boy is made happy by the people that are impressed with him, which may either be one, or none of a lot of things that do so.

Keep in mind that my post is only a contradiction if I said I agreed with baal, or the things I was pointing out that are merely the results of looking at this situation in as close as eyes as I can get to baal's.


First of all, I was unnesessarily curt with that post, and I'm sorry. I had a long day at work. The real problem I had was just covered by FrEaK, in the sense that I think part of this boy's happiness would be derived from the fact that he was able to do something that made him feel just a small bit normal, a small bit like his friends, not to impress them by overcoming God's twisted designs. I don't think there's anything even in the slightest wrong with this, and was pretty annoyed that someone would have the gall to call him a dumbass for wanting this. There are tons of viewpoints a person can have, but "ignorance" isn't one of them, and I consider what baal said to be ignorant.
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naventus
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States1337 Posts
February 01 2005 13:56 GMT
#96
Wait. I had always thought baal was a girl. Halp meh?
hmm.
Element)LoGiC
Profile Joined July 2003
Canada1143 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-02-01 14:00:26
February 01 2005 13:59 GMT
#97
I see what you mean, that despite his limitations, if he tries hard enough, he can feel as though he's normal like his friends, which I find to be a very beautiful thing to say.

I can only imagine what kind of dedication it would take to become, hmm, how can I say this...
passable as a player, able to control, etc, without having sight in such a sight-oriented game. I can only imagine what motivated him to do this, be it wanting to be accepted by his friends on yet another level, or something outside my comprehension altogether. Regardless, I think this person is a very respectable and dignified human being, with more integrity perhaps than I'll ever hope to imagine having.

Despite what I've just said, however(which may seem like another contradiction), can you see the relevance of baal's post? What happens when he is no longer made happy by being able to do this? What happens when he must move on...? What happens if baal was right and he was made happy by the audiences response?

I think that we are expressing our compassion, only in different ways(including hard-talking baal).
baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10541 Posts
February 01 2005 14:13 GMT
#98
Its like if the girl with no face (old tl.net post) enters to a beauty contest!, i mean wtf, she can do a lot of things, but a beauty contest its out of question, and what really annoys me its that there wil be 2938742938472394 morons cheering her up for trying...

Why cheering someone who isnt even aware of their own limits, i think its the same, if the girl finds joy in doing that well goo for her as long as she is totally aware its futile and dumb, but that isnt reason for people to give props to her.
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od]
Profile Joined December 2004
Romania50 Posts
February 01 2005 14:14 GMT
#99
You all flamed baal only because the kid was blind....admit it....
If the kid had no handicap...well...i don't think you were so eager to defend him
As soon as he called him dumbass blind you all jumped at him not really trying to undearstend what he is saying, just because he picked on a blind guy...admit it
baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10541 Posts
February 01 2005 14:23 GMT
#100
ofcourse they did, the hypocrecy in astonishing
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Element)LoGiC
Profile Joined July 2003
Canada1143 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-02-01 14:29:27
February 01 2005 14:28 GMT
#101
hahaha baal, always thinking outside the box of grammar/spelling/spacing/capitalization/...english sentence structure conventions!

Just kidding btw

Stuff like that doesn't really matter to me on the recieving end.
kuwakJai
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
Thailand198 Posts
February 01 2005 14:29 GMT
#102
im only mad cuz shitface likes to try to be hot shit while making the guys with no legs look bad. and now he knows hes a fkin shell of a mouse , and pretends he means well after all trying to convince everyone that its ok to be a pussy hearted nutsucker like he is.
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BroOd
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Austin10831 Posts
February 01 2005 14:32 GMT
#103
On February 01 2005 22:59 Element)LoGiC wrote:
Despite what I've just said, however(which may seem like another contradiction), can you see the relevance of baal's post? What happens when he is no longer made happy by being able to do this? What happens when he must move on...?

Then I'm sure he will move on. He's already proved his resilience and drive. He will also take with him the knowledge that he can do things some would have considered impossible. I don't know about anyone else, but that would make me feel pretty fucking good. People spend years playing football, basketball, baseball, and some may never play another game after high school. Does that mean it was all a waste? I'd say no.
What happens if baal was right and he was made happy by the audiences response?

I think that we are expressing our compassion, only in different ways(including hard-talking baal).

I think it's bizarre to assume that this boy would go through all this trouble to receive what most "disabled" people despise, accolades for doing something normal. He wanted to learn the game when he heard older kids from his school (who were half blind) talking about it. He even said "It was really difficult for me to learn this game because I was not able to see the screen at all, but I just wanted to enjoy with them. Night after night, I finally succeed".

On February 01 2005 23:13 baal wrote:Its like if the girl with no face (old tl.net post) enters to a beauty contest!, i mean wtf, she can do a lot of things, but a beauty contest its out of question, and what really annoys me its that there wil be 2938742938472394 morons cheering her up for trying...

Why cheering someone who isnt even aware of their own limits, i think its the same, if the girl finds joy in doing that well goo for her as long as she is totally aware its futile and dumb, but that isnt reason for people to give props to her.


He played games on Battlenet and won. He wanted to play with his friends and enjoy himself, and in that regard he was a total success. Who are you to judge him with your egotistical standards of ability? You need to learn how to make a basic analogy before trying a complete argument. Beauty pageant? They're not even remotely comparable, and you're just grasping at straws now.
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Element)LoGiC
Profile Joined July 2003
Canada1143 Posts
February 01 2005 14:35 GMT
#104
kuwakJai, you called baal basically to nothing, you called him a "pussy hearted nutsucker" (lol I might add), a "shitface", a "fkin shell of a mouse", you basically neglected to take into consideration that he is as well a human being, you are also angry due to several misunderstandings on your part, and if this was your first post, I might have to think very lowly of you, and say that you are at least as ignorant as the very person you condemn, but I ask you one question,

Deep down, did you feel you were justified in saying this? That you were right? That you see something that he just doesn't?

Deep down, do you feel like you mean well after all trying to convince everyone that baal is a horrible person?
kuwakJai
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
Thailand198 Posts
February 01 2005 14:45 GMT
#105
Element, first of all, i am not ignorant of baal. i would never say these things upon first meeting of someone new.
ive been a member of this site for 2 yrs and i will add that the statements are not explosive, but rather progressive. i hardly post much, and about personal matters like these even less so.
2nd... i dont care who is influeced by me saying that , i just dont like , not so much his statements, but his intentions. and well im sorry if my words were a lil too harsh but those were my sentiments exactly.

i only feel justified in what i said by observing the manner of how baal posts and the way he choses to direct them.
the Illuminated lantern
Element)LoGiC
Profile Joined July 2003
Canada1143 Posts
February 01 2005 14:48 GMT
#106
BroOd, I think we have to take into consideration the definition of a "waste of time", due to the fact that I think it varies between you and baal quite a bit.

Essentially, I think, nothing is a "waste of time", due to the fact that from every occurance there is something that you can learn and apply universally, just like what you said, knowing that you can do what others think is impossible, however, on baal's side(maybe I've deviated to far at this point, but alas) I think he simply means there are many more practical and realistic things that could have proven to be more of an aid in the future when he will move on to other things, that may have given him more realistically usable things to apply in terms of his future(which seems to be quite important to baal).
BroOd
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Austin10831 Posts
February 01 2005 14:55 GMT
#107
I think you may be giving him far too much credit now. There are plenty of things baal could have done to improve his future other than making 5600+ posts on a video game website, or street racing, but it would be obnoxious and unfair for me to call him a dumbass or an idiot for doing so. I believe you're lending too much credence to his inane statements, and as much as I'd like to believe his intentions are what you stated, it's obvious they're not.
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ObsoleteLogic
Profile Joined February 2003
United States3676 Posts
February 01 2005 14:56 GMT
#108
On January 30 2005 16:22 baal wrote:
i hate people admiring the blind gamer, its just an idiot who cant accept their own limits and instead of doing things he can he insists on things he cant...

i can take him 20-0 so whats the point -_-; dumbass blind.



No wonder I hate you.
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Element)LoGiC
Profile Joined July 2003
Canada1143 Posts
February 01 2005 15:00 GMT
#109
Oh god, Good luck sifting through what I just posted
0_0

Anyway, basically what I mean is, I think baal thinks there are 'better' things he could have done with his time, and it seems to him this is "dumb" because of that.

One example would be, using his analogy from one of his previous posts, that face-lacking lady that entered the beauty pageant. I think one of the things that he was saying (I say one of because it was quite clear he was placing emphasis on the assumption that she was doing this because people thought she didn't have a chance at winning) was that there are so many better options that she can do with full regards to her limitation like... well, without a face, I don't know if she can see, but anyway, she could get more schooling with the money and time spent entering the pageant, which may prove more beneficial to her than going to the pageant, she could spend time learning how to, well, basically do anything that doesn't require a beautiful or present face, and yet she still chooses the pageant.
Element)LoGiC
Profile Joined July 2003
Canada1143 Posts
February 01 2005 15:03 GMT
#110
Anyway, I realize at this point I could be speculating to far on basically everything and I'm just gonna stop posting for a while...

I will however say one last thing...














Don't watch Twelve Monkies, it's crazy.
BroOd
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Austin10831 Posts
February 01 2005 15:07 GMT
#111
I'm going to stop talking about baal now. I've already given his idiocy far more attention than deserved. I think it's painfully clear the intent of his posts, no matter you want to rationalize it.
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BroOd
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Austin10831 Posts
February 01 2005 15:09 GMT
#112
On February 02 2005 00:03 Element)LoGiC wrote:
Don't watch Twelve Monkies, it's crazy.


No way dude, Twelve Monkeys is awesome, such great atmosphere. One of Gilliam's best :D
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kuwakJai
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
Thailand198 Posts
February 01 2005 15:12 GMT
#113
Element)LoGiC, i must say i like the way u think.

what u said, as to what baal meant , i thought of that as well, but maybe he chose to direct it in a manner where it gave compliments to himself. and to put everything else aside.... thats not too right , is it.
the Illuminated lantern
Wing
Profile Joined March 2004
United States185 Posts
February 01 2005 15:13 GMT
#114
Sounds like a cool game. I'm sure the blind guy didn't want Boxer to go easy on him, whoever said he thought Boxer played "mean".
WickeD
Profile Joined April 2003
Slovakia789 Posts
February 01 2005 16:30 GMT
#115
Could somebody plz close this topic.
Broodwar: Few days to learn, lifetime to Master
kCiNNiCk
Profile Joined September 2004
United Kingdom313 Posts
February 01 2005 17:10 GMT
#116
True respect for BoXeR <--- my hero and ofcorse the blind guy, can you download this VOD on gosureplays.com. Please PM me...
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baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10541 Posts
February 01 2005 17:46 GMT
#117
On February 02 2005 00:12 kuwakJai wrote:
Element)LoGiC, i must say i like the way u think.

what u said, as to what baal meant , i thought of that as well, but maybe he chose to direct it in a manner where it gave compliments to himself. and to put everything else aside.... thats not too right , is it.


i tried to compliment myself?, just saying i can beat the blind guy? oh god... you are incredibly stupid.

About doing "useful" things, you misunderstand me, i am not a "be productive or die" zealot, what i mean is why a would a girl without face enter to a beauty contest?... think whoever who reads this... why of all the things in the world she would choose to do what she will suck at?, probably because she will be foolishly praised for doing it as you praise the blind guy, or probably other reason.

If you dont think people feel this phoney simpathy for him, then why in the hell he was invited to play vs boxer?.... Testie plays with his feet but i dont see him in an exibition match against boxer , do you want to know why? because people like you deep in inside try to wash away their "sins" offering phoney shit for "needed" people, i dont have this need and i can say the blind guy sucks at BW, and you guys suck at living.
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baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10541 Posts
February 01 2005 17:57 GMT
#118
On February 01 2005 23:56 ObsoleteLogic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2005 16:22 baal wrote:
i hate people admiring the blind gamer, its just an idiot who cant accept their own limits and instead of doing things he can he insists on things he cant...

i can take him 20-0 so whats the point -_-; dumbass blind.



No wonder I hate you.


if people like you are hating me, i must be doing something right.
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BroOd
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Austin10831 Posts
February 01 2005 18:00 GMT
#119
baal, simply put: You're a fucking moron.
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Doctorasul
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Romania1145 Posts
February 01 2005 18:42 GMT
#120
Common guys... someone must have this vod or know where to get it from. Please share dammit!
"I believe in Spinoza's god who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, but not in a god who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human beings." - Albert Einstein
FrEaK[S.sIR]
Profile Joined October 2002
2373 Posts
February 01 2005 22:22 GMT
#121
I jumped on baal because he's attacking the kid for all the wrong reasons. The chick with no face entering a beauty contest is not a comparison, THIS KID IS NOT TRYING TO COMPETE. I have talked to this kid(his teacher's help him talk on bnet) and he goes to the school for the blind, not all of them are completely blind. He wasn't trying to be normal or some stupid shit like that, he can already do that with his music. He wanted to experience STARCRAFT, it had nothing to do with being normal. He's wanting to experience an amazing game and baal bashes him for it, claiming he shouldn't even try just because he's fucking blind. It is not like he is trying to become a great player, he just wants to play.

What is the big fucking deal? Why must baal degrade him for wanting to play starcraft, just because he is blind.

You say I defend him because he is blind. I defend him because he's a person.

Baal attacks the person because he is blind, he treats him as if he is somehow very different from himself, somehow less than baal is. Fuckin condescending piece of shit. I used to like baal, but the more you talk to him the more you learn his view of the world is terribly skewed with thoughts that nobody is better than him.

NonYold
Profile Joined April 2004
United States2814 Posts
February 01 2005 22:27 GMT
#122
On February 02 2005 03:42 Doctorasul wrote:
Common guys... someone must have this vod or know where to get it from. Please share dammit!


I got a hold of a FPVod for it.. although it's just a black screen for the length of the game

ba dum ch
Ghardo
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Germany1685 Posts
February 01 2005 22:49 GMT
#123
so much oppositional energy wasted on a moron like baal ..
VorteXXX
Profile Joined October 2004
United States430 Posts
February 01 2005 23:24 GMT
#124
On February 02 2005 07:22 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:
I jumped on baal because he's attacking the kid for all the wrong reasons. The chick with no face entering a beauty contest is not a comparison, THIS KID IS NOT TRYING TO COMPETE. I have talked to this kid(his teacher's help him talk on bnet) and he goes to the school for the blind, not all of them are completely blind. He wasn't trying to be normal or some stupid shit like that, he can already do that with his music. He wanted to experience STARCRAFT, it had nothing to do with being normal. He's wanting to experience an amazing game and baal bashes him for it, claiming he shouldn't even try just because he's fucking blind. It is not like he is trying to become a great player, he just wants to play.

What is the big fucking deal? Why must baal degrade him for wanting to play starcraft, just because he is blind.

You say I defend him because he is blind. I defend him because he's a person.

Baal attacks the person because he is blind, he treats him as if he is somehow very different from himself, somehow less than baal is. Fuckin condescending piece of shit. I used to like baal, but the more you talk to him the more you learn his view of the world is terribly skewed with thoughts that nobody is better than him.



Well I was going to respond, but Freak took the words out my mouth...

Baal, please don't act like you're trying to be the good samaritan and give the people of TL.net a realistic portrayal of the world.. In reality you're just making yourself look like a miopic fuckhead with a horribly skewed view of the world.

I know this may be hard for you, but try and put yourself in his shoes.. Don't just fucking assume that you know why he plays Broodwar.. To assume is to make an ASS out of U and Me, and while you might not care about being an ass, I do.
-.-am i korea?^+^
ubergamer15
Profile Joined January 2005
United States645 Posts
February 02 2005 07:56 GMT
#125
Someone close this topic... please?
An optimist sees the glass half-full. A pessimist sees the glass half-empty. An engineer sees a waste of half a glass.
baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10541 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-02-02 08:05:23
February 02 2005 08:03 GMT
#126
Answer me one thing, a plane is about to fall two men of the same age, one on a wheelchair and the other a regular guy, who would you give the only parachute in the plane?

In the seek of equality people just loose contact with reality, and instead of equality they have a bizarre overcompensated view of life.
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ihatett
Profile Joined January 2005
United States2289 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-02-02 08:55:27
February 02 2005 08:54 GMT
#127
baal:
If we praise someone for being gosu at broodwar, we are praising them for a huge accomplishment which took a lot of work. Same in the blind guys case; we are praising him because of a huge accomplishment, not for being a great player.

While I am extremely pro-ego, you just seem to hate blind people.
I love Protoss because it is tough and straight. Protoss is the race for men.
wishterran
Profile Joined February 2004
United States1045 Posts
February 02 2005 09:06 GMT
#128
baal i can see your side of the argument too, which is why im not flaming you. even though i dont agree with you, i understand how you feel about people with disabilities trying to live normal lives. i admit it could be frustrating or annoying that these people need so much help. it may seem like a waste of time.

you dont have to agree with us (these people are flaming you like crazy and its stupid), but just also try to see it from the other side. if one day you suddenly became blind, wouldnt you want to continue some of the activities you enjoyed? or do other things that require sight? you could never drive a car again.

theres a girl that goes to my school and has no legs. shes very smart and perfectly normal in all other ways. lets say she drops her notebook on the floor and cant pick it up. should we hate her because shes trying to learn?

again, just showing both sides and asking you to consider. i think we need to stop flaming people who we disagree with.
FrEaK[S.sIR]
Profile Joined October 2002
2373 Posts
February 02 2005 09:11 GMT
#129
On February 02 2005 17:03 baal wrote:
Answer me one thing, a plane is about to fall two men of the same age, one on a wheelchair and the other a regular guy, who would you give the only parachute in the plane?

In the seek of equality people just loose contact with reality, and instead of equality they have a bizarre overcompensated view of life.


Without knowing anything about either man and both of them are just sitting there waiting for me to decide, the regular guy. Otherwise, decide depending on the man, not on his disability or ability.

You have not yet even TRIED to argue against me. You know damn well you can't argue against me, you never have been able to. I bring up good points, stop ignoring them you twat.
uhjoo
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)1740 Posts
February 02 2005 12:06 GMT
#130
baal i hope sometime in the future after you mature you look back on what you've expressed here and realize exactly what it is that you've written, and be embarrassed with yourself. but as of now what a piece of garbage you are
i want bubbles the warrior monkey back
baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10541 Posts
February 02 2005 12:30 GMT
#131
On February 02 2005 18:11 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2005 17:03 baal wrote:
Answer me one thing, a plane is about to fall two men of the same age, one on a wheelchair and the other a regular guy, who would you give the only parachute in the plane?

In the seek of equality people just loose contact with reality, and instead of equality they have a bizarre overcompensated view of life.


Without knowing anything about either man and both of them are just sitting there waiting for me to decide, the regular guy. Otherwise, decide depending on the man, not on his disability or ability.

You have not yet even TRIED to argue against me. You know damn well you can't argue against me, you never have been able to. I bring up good points, stop ignoring them you twat.


I dont argue without because you loooooooooooooooooooooooooooove to hide between technicism, dictionaries and a lot of sophist tricks, you dont want to debate you only want to impose your point of view while you somehow manage to fool yourself and belieivng you are actually arguing and open to change your mind while you are absolutely the oposite.

thats why i dont argue with you, it gets very annoying very fast.
Im back, in pog form!
baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10541 Posts
February 02 2005 12:31 GMT
#132
On February 02 2005 17:54 ihatett wrote:
baal:
If we praise someone for being gosu at broodwar, we are praising them for a huge accomplishment which took a lot of work. Same in the blind guys case; we are praising him because of a huge accomplishment, not for being a great player.

While I am extremely pro-ego, you just seem to hate blind people.


i dont hate blind peole wtf, why would i? -_-a
Im back, in pog form!
baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10541 Posts
February 02 2005 12:33 GMT
#133
On February 02 2005 18:06 wishterran wrote:
baal i can see your side of the argument too, which is why im not flaming you. even though i dont agree with you, i understand how you feel about people with disabilities trying to live normal lives. i admit it could be frustrating or annoying that these people need so much help. it may seem like a waste of time.

you dont have to agree with us (these people are flaming you like crazy and its stupid), but just also try to see it from the other side. if one day you suddenly became blind, wouldnt you want to continue some of the activities you enjoyed? or do other things that require sight? you could never drive a car again.

theres a girl that goes to my school and has no legs. shes very smart and perfectly normal in all other ways. lets say she drops her notebook on the floor and cant pick it up. should we hate her because shes trying to learn?

again, just showing both sides and asking you to consider. i think we need to stop flaming people who we disagree with.


If she dropped her pencil and tries to get it, well she should try, if she cant ill gladly pass it to her, but that has nothing to do with the blind guy, he isnt overcoming any problem...

he is just insisting in doing things he will not be able to do properly only for "fun" or other wicked reason, as i said, its like a girl with no face entering a beauty contest... wtf what for!?!?!
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FrEaK[S.sIR]
Profile Joined October 2002
2373 Posts
February 02 2005 13:04 GMT
#134
On February 02 2005 21:30 baal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2005 18:11 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:
On February 02 2005 17:03 baal wrote:
Answer me one thing, a plane is about to fall two men of the same age, one on a wheelchair and the other a regular guy, who would you give the only parachute in the plane?

In the seek of equality people just loose contact with reality, and instead of equality they have a bizarre overcompensated view of life.


Without knowing anything about either man and both of them are just sitting there waiting for me to decide, the regular guy. Otherwise, decide depending on the man, not on his disability or ability.

You have not yet even TRIED to argue against me. You know damn well you can't argue against me, you never have been able to. I bring up good points, stop ignoring them you twat.


I dont argue without because you loooooooooooooooooooooooooooove to hide between technicism, dictionaries and a lot of sophist tricks, you dont want to debate you only want to impose your point of view while you somehow manage to fool yourself and belieivng you are actually arguing and open to change your mind while you are absolutely the oposite.

thats why i dont argue with you, it gets very annoying very fast.


I rely on no tricks at all, you jsut really really suck at arguing any points.

How the fuck does somebody hide behind a dictionary anyways? OH MY GOD! HE WANTS TO USE WORDS PROPERLY! BURN THE WTICH! BURN THE WITCH!
Rayzorblade
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States1172 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-02-02 13:42:38
February 02 2005 13:38 GMT
#135
Baal, I just have one question:

Do you eat brain tumors for breakfast every fucking morning?

od]
Profile Joined December 2004
Romania50 Posts
February 02 2005 15:28 GMT
#136
any blind person can play starcraft(and chris proved it by playing blindfolded)
so why would this kid be so special ? where did all your admiration come from?
when the thread was open you didn't even knew how he looked ,and never(probably)seen him play but still it was like: "oh man this is so fucking great" (so don't tell me it wasn't only because he was blind)
Beethoven continued to compose music while deaf.
some people were saying:great music
others:he is deaf and still great music
they always put the deaf part before the music part like you do now: "he is blind and plays starcraft, this is so great"

If he only played because he wanted to have a feel of starcraft and because his friends were doing it i don't see what is so great about it.
gg_hertzz
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
2152 Posts
February 02 2005 16:10 GMT
#137
It was an exhibition match that was played during the apex of BoxeR's fame. It had a purpose, and it adequately fulfilled it.

Anyone with an opinion about the blind kid needs to shut the fuck up.
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