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http://sc2rep.com/replays/(P)ROOTFayth_vs_(T)RevSecret_metalopolis_sc2rep_com_20110416/7171
Here's the replay, I need TL's opinion on possible maphack, throughout the whole game I was like wow this guy is good he just counters everything I do
From the early DT to the ghosts to thors, the way he dropped where I had nothing, then near the end of the game you can see he move his army to position himself in the left lane when I was moving there, but he didn't scan or anything (I had an obs over his army)
So yeah if anybody can confirm, I believe it to be a serious case of maphacking
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To put it simply, most probably.
Biggest hints for me:
A) He doesn't scout you early game (in fact, he doesn't scout you at all).
B) He finds that pylon almost right when you make it (at your natural early).
C) He goes and kills your DT structure/tech to it randomly.
D) Cloak ghost tech with no viking.
My answer?
Most probably. But I don't like to call people hackers when it isn't 100 percent obvious. To me, this seems pretty apparent, but you never know.
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ROFL
@ 5mins he looks right at your base and has a very good look, including the stalker at your natural even though he hasn't scouted anything outside his main. This is the only base he looks at too BTW.
He also looks at your base again sometime around 6mins~ but it was a very quick glance--again he still hasn't scouted outside his base
Pretty sure that is enough to get him banned
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5Minutes in is pretty much enough evidence.
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Most obvious maphacking I've seen. Everything screams it but the staring at your fogged base is the most blatant.
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Yeah, there were several questionable moves by him that were clearly indicative of him maphacking. Zero scouting information for the entire early game and mid game (never even scanned your base or attempted to go on your side of the map once). Also, going 2 rax marauder against 3 stalker pressure into blind engineering bay and turret after expansion? That is a pretty ballsy-ass move to throw down a blind turret below your expo with zero scouting information at all. He also snipes the first proxy pylon as it is going down, basically clicking into the fog of war directly where it is. He also does this again to kill your shrine by A-clicking the map in the fog directly on top of it blind. It is pretty obvious he is hacking.
He is a pretty terrible player, though, and still couldn't win. That was probably the best part =)
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i wasn't really sure if he was hacking until i saw him do a drop on the 5'o clock spawning position, he dropped his units and stimmed then ran down the ramp and focus fired your nexus.
first of all he never scouted the 5'o clock expansion on it's natural, he had no reason to drop there.
secondly why would he stim then run down the ramp?
This is person is a blatant hacker, there were other instances but i think this one was a major one. I
there is a thread for this op, you should search and post it there.
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Holy shit, I lost to him yesterday on a 5 bucks tournament, this could be big. Will look that replays
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[5:00] Moves the camera over unscouted base for a long ass time
[5:55] Moves camera over unscouted base again
[8:36] Moves camera over unspotted DT, does the same thing a few times after
[15:36] Moves camera over unscouted 3rd
[18:36] Moves camera over unscouted proxy pylon
[19:29] Moves camera over unscouted zealot
[21:47] Moves camera over unscouted enemy army
There's more than that but I got bored, it's fairly obvious he's maphacking
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Pretty obvious he was hacking, sadly he lost while hacking which makes it even worse
1) no scouting ever
2) he sent an scv to scout cross map half way through the game
3) he had his army meeting yours always down the alley you were going down with no scanning or vision
4) he stares into the fog at your base multiple times
5) the preemptive stim from the top of 3 o clock into the natural to force the nexus cancel
6) the drop at 3 o clock and immediate attacking of the nexus without scouting it
7) when he was going to your hidden tech he moused over where it was before it was revealed
8) kills your zealot behind the mineral line since he knew it was there
gj for winning though lol, looked like a gg except for the hacking part
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Side by Side comparison of what the clicks look like @ roughly 9mins 45seconds~ into the game..lol
EDIT:
Taken from SC2 Gears at around 7mins (x1.38 to convert to replay time)
Also the two clicks near where Fayth hid the DT shrine weren't done until around 9mins~ in
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On April 16 2011 16:30 tgun wrote:
5Minutes in is pretty much enough evidence.
This. No scouting and he does a direct look at your fogged base. Screen caps it and goes back over it like 3-4 more times in the game. No doubt in my mind.
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http://drop.sc/6537
Another replay showing him not scouting. Also several instances of map hacking behaviour.
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I played this guy TvT the other day and i was really impressed by his drop defense. He was perfect with it and he seemed to avoid my turrets pretty well. I ended up denying him expo with superior positioning and won the game at around 1 hour in with a few BC and killed his starports before he could get enough vikings out. He didn't say gg even though it was one of the closest games i've played in sc2.
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On April 16 2011 17:40 starcraft911 wrote:
I played this guy TvT the other day and i was really impressed by his drop defense. He was perfect with it and he seemed to avoid my turrets pretty well. I ended up denying him expo with superior positioning and won the game at around 1 hour in with a few BC and killed his starports before he could get enough vikings out. He didn't say gg even though it was one of the closest games i've played in sc2.
http://sc2ranks.com/us/2098596/RevSecret
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On April 16 2011 17:42 Zeles wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 17:40 starcraft911 wrote:
I played this guy TvT the other day and i was really impressed by his drop defense. He was perfect with it and he seemed to avoid my turrets pretty well. I ended up denying him expo with superior positioning and won the game at around 1 hour in with a few BC and killed his starports before he could get enough vikings out. He didn't say gg even though it was one of the closest games i've played in sc2. http://sc2ranks.com/us/2098596/RevSecret
lol download his other replays on sc2ranks, obvious maphack is obvious
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On April 16 2011 17:45 wysoy wrote:RevSecret is in Team Revoki Clan Website: http://www.teamrevoki.com/With RevSecret being "division A" in the team, it is very possible this team has been using hacks in clan tournaments (ex. against MG and Beercraft) What a fail team.
It might just be this one guy. i've played RevShadow a few times and he scouts and has done nothing to make me suspect maphack so maybe don't bash the entire team with no proof. Maybe their team doesn't know.
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yeah i dont think that shadow got MH, but this guy obv. does..
just watch the rep vs drewbie, he does not even scout for the entire 20minutes lol and knows every drop and other shit
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I don't really have any experience with cheats, never used them, and afaik never been a victim either (seems unlikely, but atleast ive never noticed it, except in CS ofc  ). But i do have alot of experience watching replays in "Player camera", and ive never seen anyone behave like this before... Like many other have pointed out, he takes a looong good look at your base at ~5 min, then another at 6 min. He also sent 10+ units to kill dark shrine without having seen it, and later he drops your fourth by unloading at the 3 o'clock main, and then stimming and running down, all without having seen it yet.
I don't like pointing fingers without being too certain, but then i don't know how to be more certain than this really... This kind of stuff makes me a sad panda 
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Good job super sleuths! Now all we have to do is wait 2-3 months for blizzard to do their next wave of bans and all is well!
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Hes maphacking 100% sure.
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Watch him post something like "I am so sorry guys I was just dicking around on my account for fun lol I will never do this again I swear lol ".
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Dang, I lost to this guy a while back and was wondering how he knew my plyon placement.
Gonna go see if I still have the replay.
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Hmm... didn't think anyone on the team used maphacks. I certainly don't ;s
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On April 16 2011 18:06 EtherealDeath wrote:
Hmm... didn't think anyone on the team used maphacks. I certainly don't ;s
then watch his replays on sc2ranks profile u can download some, and watch the one from OP
and u will see 100% maphack
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I think it's a little harsh to give a blanket *finger shake* to the Rev team simply because one of their members has poor judgement (to put it nicely). I've met and played against several Rev members who are very good people and I don't think it's fair to judge the whole team over one persons actions.
I fully expect the team to simply kick him off, I doubt they would want this sort of reputation. Please hold your comments about the entire team until we see what their reaction is.
Very sad to see people in high masters hacking, however.
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On April 16 2011 17:58 wysoy wrote:
Revoki is reserving their best players for clean record and using "low" level players for hacking to win tournaments as IGware did with Sorcery.
Who knows who's and what they are part of the scheme?
Blizzard really needs to do the ban waves more frequently.
No such thing going on as far as I know -_-;;
(in Revoki)
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Just watched RevSecret vs Drewbie
All game - never scouts, never scans
All game - runs around without any scouting with all his tanks clumped up begging to run into siege tanks but since he knows where the tanks are he can play carelessly
8:42 - Has his dropship rally moved to Drewbies base and attempts to dodge a viking without vision of it.
12:30 - moves his entire army to kill a scouting marine
13:07 - moves his entire army to kill a scouting marine
19:30 - unsieges his army at enemy expo to run back and defend his own expo against an army he hasnt seen yet
pretty obvious stuff.
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Don't pin this on all Rev members. I cast a few at a LAN recently and they were solid players, obviously not hacking (people were watching over their shoulders). I don't remember Secret, though..
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Clear maphack imo. I've just watched the first 8 minutes and he clearly moves his camera over the opponents unscouted base and over the three stalkers that are moving out. He drops a missile turret despite having no idea that he needs one and finds the proxy pylon instantly.
Later on in the game it's also clear from what he CAN see. If you watch his vision, he can see a proxy pylon inbetween his 3rd and 4th bases for quite a long time, yet he makes absolutely no effort to deal with it because he's busy pretending that he's not maphacking and unaware of the pylons existance.
It's way too obvious.
Lets please hold back from bashing the whole team though. Of course people may want to examine any replays they have, but until someone has proof it's unfair to assume they're all cheaters.
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On April 16 2011 17:58 wysoy wrote:
Revoki is reserving their best players for clean record and using "low" level players for hacking to win tournaments as IGware did with Sorcery.
Who knows who's and what they are part of the scheme?
Blizzard really needs to do the ban waves more frequently.
Obviously you are a PBU or someone who created a new account so you can slam Revoki members, and that is rather disrespectful and cowardly. I am a proud member of the team with many members that also represent Indiana University Gaming. I play hard at the game and lose a ton more than I win. I am pleased that Fayth brought this information to light, because if the accusations are true, I am ashamed to be on a team with someone who blatant cheater. I am sure appropriate actions will be taken.
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watched the replay very closely and I have to agree its pretty obvious that he's map hacking.
Checking out your base through fog of war early.
Moving straight to your proxy dark shrine.
Watching army movements through fog of war when he pushes your gold the 2nd time.
Watches your army movements through fog of war when you're advancing up the left alley.
obvious hack is indeed obvious. Should def be reporting this in the TL hacker thread.
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Well obviously Team Revoki should take actions themselves or no1 in the community will believe them anymore
We all don't have any idea if it's a 1-men action or if there are more teammembers involved but that's for Team Rev to sort out since one of them obviously got caught now.
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On April 16 2011 18:20 Jakkerr wrote:Well obviously Team Revoki should take actions themselves or no1 in the community will believe them anymore We all don't have any idea if it's a 1-men action or if there are more teammembers involved but that's for Team Rev to sort out since one of them obviously got caught now.
Yea, just be slightly patient on that, 5:21 am over here, vast majority of the team who are not retarded with their sleep cycles (lolol me) are asleep/not online.
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Ugh its so sad to see this crap so high up in ladder....... c'mon Blizzard...
Hopefully this little shit gets what he deserves
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Is this the highest ranked player to be accused of hacking?
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This is an example of shameless map hacking. This deserves immediate ban because of the obviousness of it. He moved his scv out at like 9 minutes yet knew the location of the shrine and each new expo. All while the scv making it to the gold expo on the south part of the map before exploding. Good job beating him though. 
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On April 16 2011 18:30 ZomgTossRush wrote:
Is this the highest ranked player to be accused of hacking?
no im pretty sure iGware was like 6th worldwide or close to it when he got busted.
the game vs drewbie has several suspect moments but the medivac dodging an unseen viking all but confirmed it for me when you take into account all these other stories and reps about him
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On April 16 2011 17:58 wysoy wrote:
Revoki is reserving their best players for clean record and using "low" level players for hacking to win tournaments as IGware did with Sorcery.
Who knows who's and what they are part of the scheme?
Blizzard really needs to do the ban waves more frequently.
Let's not go there and start shit with his entire clan cause this guy likes to openly map hack on ladder. Surely they will kick him pronto and Blizzard will lock this account.
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This replay is best example of maphacking. That Terran is hacker, even worse, he is a bad hacker
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On April 16 2011 18:30 wysoy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 18:16 Doriboi wrote:On April 16 2011 17:58 wysoy wrote:
Revoki is reserving their best players for clean record and using "low" level players for hacking to win tournaments as IGware did with Sorcery.
Who knows who's and what they are part of the scheme?
Blizzard really needs to do the ban waves more frequently. Obviously you are a PBU or someone who created a new account so you can slam Revoki members, and that is rather disrespectful and cowardly. I am a proud member of the team with many members that also represent Indiana University Gaming. I play hard at the game and lose a ton more than I win. I am pleased that Fayth brought this information to light, because if the accusations are true, I am ashamed to be on a team with someone who blatant cheater. I am sure appropriate actions will be taken. If I were you, I would be rather ashamed than proud since one of your member is caught with hacking. Congrats, as one of your member being "not so shy" bringing all the matched top ladder players down by exploiting fair competition. I am applauding you and your team being so proud over this matter and kudos at your attempt to cover up for your friend "RevSecret" even though the evidence presented is irrefutable. Once again, thank you for the fair competition
I have not attempted to cover up anything. I believe in "Due Process." He has his right to defend himself in the court of public opinion. And I did not condone this type of behavior. Seriously I am ashamed of your cowardly display to shame an entire team on the actions of one individual. It is obvious that you are a troll who has a deficiency in reading and comprehending.
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On April 16 2011 18:30 wysoy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 18:16 Doriboi wrote:On April 16 2011 17:58 wysoy wrote:
Revoki is reserving their best players for clean record and using "low" level players for hacking to win tournaments as IGware did with Sorcery.
Who knows who's and what they are part of the scheme?
Blizzard really needs to do the ban waves more frequently. Obviously you are a PBU or someone who created a new account so you can slam Revoki members, and that is rather disrespectful and cowardly. I am a proud member of the team with many members that also represent Indiana University Gaming. I play hard at the game and lose a ton more than I win. I am pleased that Fayth brought this information to light, because if the accusations are true, I am ashamed to be on a team with someone who blatant cheater. I am sure appropriate actions will be taken. If I were you, I would be rather ashamed than proud...
He's not trying to cover anything up. Read his post from start to finish and work on making your 6th post an apology.
Only one guy got caught hacking. There's no need to demonize a team for something they probably had no idea about. This guy isn't even one of their top tier players so the likelihood of them having a good opportunity to find out never presented itself.
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On April 16 2011 17:16 Bozotclown wrote:http://drop.sc/6537Another replay showing him not scouting. Also several instances of map hacking behaviour.
teh viking evasion with the dropship @ 8:45.
epic ;D
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On April 16 2011 18:56 wysoy wrote:
LOL at your attempt to divert the focus from the hacker to my posts pointing out the maphacking and possiblities.
Good Job!
But the truth is the one that is always going to be revealed at the end.
No its more like your attempt at trying to frame the entire Revoki organization as a team who knowingly employs mhers to win CWs/Lower tier leagues.
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