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Ethelis
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2396 Posts
March 29 2011 17:40 GMT
#341
On March 30 2011 00:14 RaGe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2011 01:16 udgnim wrote:
On March 29 2011 01:13 ShroomyD wrote:
On March 28 2011 17:35 Coriolis wrote:
On March 28 2011 17:31 Crt wrote:
Savior the God.

It'd be awesome if Savior enters SC2 like Boxer/Nada/and July.

I forgive Savior, man. It's easy money. People do stupid thing. He's sorry. punished for it. It's time to start over.

SC2 please.

He is barred from the GSL anyways, and it wouldn't surprise me if he was denied entry into many foreign competitions as well. His career as a progamer is likely over.

Foreign competitions let hackers have a second chance, some redeemed themselves.
I say redemption for the maestro is acceptable.


that's some hardcore fanboyism

Savior participated and recruited players to fix games

he should never be involved in progaming again


I don't know, I don't think it's a harsher crime to lose games on purpose for money than to use tools to get an unfair advantage over your opponent to win money.

I think we'd be using a double standard if we don't allow him back in after a year or 2.

I'm not saying I'd allow him back in. I personally would give equally harsh punishments to ex-hackers.


I totally agree here, i think it's safe to say both actions are similar enough to warrant the same punishment.
Disabled gamer - Diamond 3 (LoL) D+ Rank scrublord on BW. Bisu doesnt need DTs, He uses probes. just ask Flash.
larra
Profile Joined May 2006
Germany44 Posts
April 05 2011 06:34 GMT
#342
The whole savior story makes me so sad. A young, talented boy felt into disgrace for just few bucks and then almost everyone could spit on him. It's brutally childish, him and the soceity, especially the latter. It reminds me of a novel by coetzee with same name. There's no turning back now. But because I used to enjoy his games so much, I wish better things happen to him. Life is very long, there's always hope.
DorF
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden961 Posts
April 05 2011 07:15 GMT
#343
On March 30 2011 02:40 xMiragex wrote:


I totally agree here, i think it's safe to say both actions are similar enough to warrant the same punishment.


But didn't Savior also encourage others to participate in this, was he not one of the masterminds of the betting-scandal? (I may be in the wrong here since it was a bit fuzzy when I read about it)
But would that not mean according to your logic that he would be eligable to receive the same punishment as hackers X the amount of times he made players and himself loose?

I think that beacuse he made the money he did, all the matches he fixed and the fact that his crimes damaged the entire Korean Broodwar E-sports scene as a whole (Especially considering who he was) makes the punishment he received totally fair.
And by fair I mean I can absolutely see why he received the punishment he did, I too want to see him play again, I was a huge Savior fan but the rational side of my brain can't forgive him even though I would have nothing against Savior playing again
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tedster
Profile Joined May 2009
984 Posts
April 05 2011 07:16 GMT
#344
On April 05 2011 15:34 larra wrote:
The whole savior story makes me so sad. A young, talented boy felt into disgrace for just few bucks and then almost everyone could spit on him. It's brutally childish, him and the soceity, especially the latter. It reminds me of a novel by coetzee with same name. There's no turning back now. But because I used to enjoy his games so much, I wish better things happen to him. Life is very long, there's always hope.


Savior made WAYYYYYY more than a few bucks. He knew who was throwing a match and when. That knowledge basically would make him invincible on the actual betting sites themselves. Think about how much money you could make in a week if you knew exactly when the Yankees were going to win and lose.
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Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
April 05 2011 07:40 GMT
#345
LOL. Not even remotely close. The levels of money involved... 3 million WON which is only like 3000 dollars per match.

Anyone who thinks the damage Savior did to e-sports was about the money doesn't understand the situation. Still, at the end of the day Savior is a kid who allowed himself to fall in with the wrong kind of people. As I said in another thread, anyone who thinks of Savior and can only feel anger doesn't have a right to judge. It's an emptiness I feel.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
RJGooner
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2076 Posts
April 05 2011 08:08 GMT
#346
On April 05 2011 16:40 Mortality wrote:
LOL. Not even remotely close. The levels of money involved... 3 million WON which is only like 3000 dollars per match.

Anyone who thinks the damage Savior did to e-sports was about the money doesn't understand the situation. Still, at the end of the day Savior is a kid who allowed himself to fall in with the wrong kind of people. As I said in another thread, anyone who thinks of Savior and can only feel anger doesn't have a right to judge. It's an emptiness I feel.


This.

On the one hand, I feel sorry for Savior. He fell in with the wrong kind of people and made a lot of wrong decisions.....whenever I think of Savior I don't feel angry but emptiness like you said, he was basically my BW idol and the reason why I started playing Zerg.

However, as much as I want to see him come back to play BW, I understand that the damage done was too great, and that he can never be allowed back.
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_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
April 05 2011 09:03 GMT
#347
If KT coach was talking about that Savior can't play games that are streamed live in the inet... I'd say WTF? He's banned from pro gaming, not from life and anything in the world X_X

I would personally like to see his games. Though I suppose there are no vods recorded.

I know, he's a fallen legend, but still a legend. I think the same as no one can take the blame from him, no one also can take his achievements from him. T_T
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SnowFantasy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
4173 Posts
April 05 2011 10:30 GMT
#348
On April 05 2011 18:03 _Quasar_ wrote:
If KT coach was talking about that Savior can't play games that are streamed live in the inet... I'd say WTF? He's banned from pro gaming, not from life and anything in the world X_X

I would personally like to see his games. Though I suppose there are no vods recorded.

I know, he's a fallen legend, but still a legend. I think the same as no one can take the blame from him, no one also can take his achievements from him. T_T


Yeah, I remember hirosue streamed some games of savior playing against 1a2a3a/terror[fou]. It was totally awesome to see him play again.

Fine, ban him from professional play but trying to push him out of casual gaming too is a bit ridiculous.
Turbovolver
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia2394 Posts
April 05 2011 10:55 GMT
#349
On March 30 2011 02:40 xMiragex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 00:14 RaGe wrote:
On March 29 2011 01:16 udgnim wrote:
On March 29 2011 01:13 ShroomyD wrote:
On March 28 2011 17:35 Coriolis wrote:
On March 28 2011 17:31 Crt wrote:
Savior the God.

It'd be awesome if Savior enters SC2 like Boxer/Nada/and July.

I forgive Savior, man. It's easy money. People do stupid thing. He's sorry. punished for it. It's time to start over.

SC2 please.

He is barred from the GSL anyways, and it wouldn't surprise me if he was denied entry into many foreign competitions as well. His career as a progamer is likely over.

Foreign competitions let hackers have a second chance, some redeemed themselves.
I say redemption for the maestro is acceptable.


that's some hardcore fanboyism

Savior participated and recruited players to fix games

he should never be involved in progaming again


I don't know, I don't think it's a harsher crime to lose games on purpose for money than to use tools to get an unfair advantage over your opponent to win money.

I think we'd be using a double standard if we don't allow him back in after a year or 2.

I'm not saying I'd allow him back in. I personally would give equally harsh punishments to ex-hackers.


I totally agree here, i think it's safe to say both actions are similar enough to warrant the same punishment.

At least for more serious tournaments, there is a very key difference. A progamer plays in controlled cirucmstances, whether they've hacked or not they are unable to while playing in a booth. A player can throw a game at any time, though, and it's a lot harder to detect.
The original Bogus fan.
Art_of_Kill
Profile Joined September 2003
Zaire1232 Posts
April 05 2011 11:07 GMT
#350
On March 06 2011 17:00 yoonyoon wrote:
Savior was worse than child molesters,

oh man, just a total retard would say something like that
something is wrong with this dude

User was warned for this post
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gds
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Iceland1391 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-05 14:39:03
April 05 2011 14:38 GMT
#351
Why Art_of_Kill is WARNED for this post ?
Does the mod think comparing a young guy who made a big mistake to a child molestor isnt a "totally retarded" statement?
Pufftrees
Profile Joined March 2009
2449 Posts
April 05 2011 14:39 GMT
#352
Ma Jae Yoon is still a personal hero of mine, and always will be. KT's coach is really out of line with that comment. Comparable to Pete Rose in the United States, except Savior was a "kid" at the time and deserves a little slack. If you respect your "sport" so much, you should always respect the GODS that made it possible. It's understandable for him to say, "savior shouldn't be here", but to insult him and be that rude, WOW KT coach is on my shit list now.
Chance favors the prepared mind.
SimonB
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1088 Posts
April 05 2011 14:47 GMT
#353
People still ragging on the KT coach for a comment for which he immediately retracted and apologized, while simultaneously falling over themselves to nominate Savior for reinstatement? Savior fans.

He has every right to hate Savior's guts. The guy did immeasurable damage to the industry and risked the livelihoods of hundreds for his own personal gain.
Pufftrees
Profile Joined March 2009
2449 Posts
April 05 2011 14:52 GMT
#354
On April 05 2011 23:47 SimonB wrote:

He has every right to hate Savior's guts. The guy did immeasurable damage to the industry and risked the livelihoods of hundreds for his own personal gain.


Of course he has the right to hate Savior's guts, but there is a responsibility that comes with being a coach. If his comment wasn't 100 percent out of line he wouldn't have retracted it right away, and when people get out of line they should be bashed. You can't just take something back either, try calling your girlfriend something with the word "trasH", then take it back and say it's ok.
Chance favors the prepared mind.
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5599 Posts
April 05 2011 15:03 GMT
#355
On April 05 2011 20:07 Art_of_Kill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2011 17:00 yoonyoon wrote:
Savior was worse than child molesters,

oh man, just a total retard would say something like that
something is wrong with this dude

User was warned for this post

I have seriously no idea how this post could result in a warning, but it goes to show - togheter with the comment from the KT coach - how people are unable to see this in a perspective. Maybe it is in part beacause Savior was such a hero to so many people. But he was just a kid, and this is way too harsh. Of course he will never be able to come back into BW, but I for one would love to see him in Starcraft 2.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
April 05 2011 15:03 GMT
#356
Lol KT lol
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where
Profile Joined February 2011
144 Posts
April 05 2011 15:09 GMT
#357
I support Ma Jae Yoon regardless. It's not easy to reach the top.
HowSoOnIsNow
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada480 Posts
April 05 2011 17:20 GMT
#358
I'm gonna watch his Osl campaign, when he won it all. Maybe his Msl too. Even the one he lost against Bisu ..I'm just not gonna watch him lose though lol.
Real mens play Zerg.. Startale fighting.
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-05 18:30:49
April 05 2011 18:29 GMT
#359
You know what. Human make mistakes and lose to temptation. Savior made his and thus suffered the consequences.

However, that should not erase his achievements. He once stood above all, with strength and charisma. He was one of the rarest programers whose charm extended outside of his games and boosted the number of BW audience. His rise signified beginning of modern Zerg playstyle while his fall triggered the revolution of the Protoss race. I may have lost respect for Ma Jae Yoon the man, but I will forever be a fan of Savior the player.
Art_of_Kill
Profile Joined September 2003
Zaire1232 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-05 23:24:11
April 05 2011 23:21 GMT
#360
On April 05 2011 20:07 Art_of_Kill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2011 17:00 yoonyoon wrote:
Savior was worse than child molesters,

oh man, just a total retard would say something like that
something is wrong with this dude

User was warned for this post

why i am warned for this???
compare a child molester to a cheater?? excuse me ??? which mod did this warning and for what reason?
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