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confusedcrib
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1307 Posts
January 03 2011 07:01 GMT
#61
Wow well that's just gosugamers taking it way too personally that idra didn't play. Looks like kennigit can stop giving them free hits now that we all agree
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AirbladeOrange
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2573 Posts
January 03 2011 07:01 GMT
#62
I just want to know why GosuGamers took this issue the way they did? What is THEIR point of view?
Hautamaki
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Canada1311 Posts
January 03 2011 07:02 GMT
#63
Guess their definition of 'best' includes manner? Who cares, it's their poll, they can do what they want with it. Still, they could have easily taken the higher ground, laughed off whatever dispute they had with Idra, and avoided all this drama altogether.
True learning is not the memorization of knowledge; it is the internalization of patterns.
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
January 03 2011 07:03 GMT
#64
On January 03 2011 15:58 Duka08 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2011 15:53 IdrA wrote:
the incident they're referring to, i qualified for their christmas tour thing
when they messaged me to get online to play the final 8 i realized that i was actually banned from gosugamers so it would be inappropriate to play in the tournament and forfeited my spot.

If this is the case then what the hell is Enron spewing and why can't he just say that? Or is it because excluding Idra because he forfeited is such a bullshit reason that the poll would be worse than it already is lmao


probably scenario:

Enron: Hmmm, time to start up a poll for player of the year, I wonder who it should be, lets see

Huk? Check
qxc? Check
Jinro? Check
Idra? HUMPH :'( He didn't play in my tournament that he qualified for, so BM, WELL I'LL SHOW HIM, I' GONNA EXCLUDE HIM

*feels all mighty for a moment*

hehe, let me post about this poll on team liquid with a 1 sentence justification on why I don't like Idra, and THEN when the polls over everyone will forget about Idra because he's not worthy of my award!!!

[/scene]
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G3nXsiS
Profile Joined July 2009
United States656 Posts
January 03 2011 07:03 GMT
#65
Even with Idra in, I don't think hes the best. Overall Dimaga left the most impression on me. He was an early pioneer for zerg and really revolutionized its play. All Idra did was the same thing over and over while dimaga was playing way ahead of everyone and invented so many strategies and popularized so many tactics like creep tumor spreading. Also his attitude is the total opposite of Idra's.

Huk on the other hand tended to choke on some important occasions like GSL and ESL. TLO didn't win as many tourneys as he should and him going away from korea is a big no no. Jinro, although he did really well in GSL and MLG he wasn't the best overall. Hes the best foreigner right now but not the best in 2010 overall.

The rest were just OK not totally outstanding.. White-Ra's performance dropped because of marriage which is understandable, tarson doesn't even deserve to be on there, and morrow switched to zerg........................... Naama's won a big tourney but we shall see if he is a one hit wonder.
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Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
January 03 2011 07:03 GMT
#66
there now this is properly named
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ZomgTossRush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1041 Posts
January 03 2011 07:04 GMT
#67
On January 03 2011 15:53 IdrA wrote:
the incident they're referring to, i qualified for their christmas tour thing
when they messaged me to get online to play the final 8 i realized that i was actually banned from gosugamers so it would be inappropriate to play in the tournament and forfeited my spot.



If this was the case, i have no idea why they consider this "bm." i wish they would have explained a bit more of why/what happened in their OP. thanks for the heads up.
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iSiN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1075 Posts
January 03 2011 07:05 GMT
#68
On January 03 2011 16:00 ZlaSHeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2011 15:47 iSiN wrote:
Jinro did something idra did on a grander scale twice this year (Won a bigger MLG and Got farther in GSL)
Am I saying Jinro is better than IdrA? no just this year, overall, he was.


Idra won the King of the Beta Hill tournament and consistently won or had the highest average placing in tournaments he DID enter, the one week he enters a GC weekly he rolls through that shit without dropping much. Steamrolled through tournament after tournament, and was always THE guy that people feared most.

Show nested quote +
On January 03 2011 15:49 cyprin wrote:
On January 03 2011 15:47 iSiN wrote:
Jinro did something idra did on a grander scale twice this year (Won a bigger MLG and Got farther in GSL)
Am I saying Jinro is better than IdrA? no just this year, overall, he was.


Jinro had two good months.
IdrA has been consistent since the beginning of beta.


Pretty much my assessment as well. Jinro and Idra are both fantastic players, Idra is more feared in tournaments though, and he's been doing it since February 17th.

As a year overall, I'd have voted for Idra. Not that Jinro is far behind because the two are neck and neck.

Show nested quote +
On January 03 2011 15:58 Duka08 wrote:
On January 03 2011 15:53 IdrA wrote:
the incident they're referring to, i qualified for their christmas tour thing
when they messaged me to get online to play the final 8 i realized that i was actually banned from gosugamers so it would be inappropriate to play in the tournament and forfeited my spot.

If this is the case then what the hell is Enron spewing and why can't he just say that? Or is it because excluding Idra because he forfeited is such a bullshit reason that the poll would be worse than it already is lmao


probably scenario:

Enron: Hmmm, time to start up a poll for player of the year, I wonder who it should be, lets see

Huk? Check
qxc? Check
Jinro? Check
Idra? HUMPH :'( He didn't play in my tournament that he qualified for, so BM, WELL I'LL SHOW HIM, I' GONNA EXCLUDE HIM

*feels all mighty for a moment*

hehe, let me post about this poll on team liquid with a 1 sentence justification on why I don't like Idra, and THEN when the polls over everyone will forget about Idra because he's not worthy of my award!!!

[/scene]


:S We're basically saying the same thing but coming to different conclusions.
I'm saying Jinro's Results for his 2 month period has sent him into the top player of the year. Let's also remember he was on oGs' A-team. IdrA curb stomping some noobies from NA and EU server doesn't quite stand up to oGs' A-team winning the biggest MLG team and getting farther in GSL

I still think IdrA is a more skilled individual because FA just doesn't have the experience on that level BUTTTTTTT Jinro's Acomplishments this year were more important in my eyes.
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
January 03 2011 07:05 GMT
#69
On January 03 2011 16:03 Zelniq wrote:
there now this is properly named

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Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
January 03 2011 07:06 GMT
#70
On January 03 2011 16:03 G3nXsiS wrote:
Even with Idra in, I don't think hes the best. Overall Dimaga left the most impression on me. He was an early pioneer for zerg and really revolutionized its play. All Idra did was the same thing over and over while dimaga was playing way ahead of everyone and invented so many strategies and popularized so many tactics like creep tumor spreading. Also his attitude is the total opposite of Idra's.

Huk on the other hand tended to choke on some important occasions like GSL and ESL. TLO didn't win as many tourneys as he should and him going away from korea is a big no no. Jinro, although he did really well in GSL and MLG he wasn't the best overall. Hes the best foreigner right now but not the best in 2010 overall.

The rest were just OK not totally outstanding.. White-Ra's performance dropped because of marriage which is understandable, tarson doesn't even deserve to be on there, and morrow switched to zerg........................... Naama's won a big tourney but we shall see if he is a one hit wonder.


Idra "pioneered" a fast creep tumor instead of spitting larvae. Dimaga pioneered banelings, NO MATTER WHAT.
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chenchen
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1136 Posts
January 03 2011 07:07 GMT
#71
What about Loner's second place Blizzcon-ness??
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Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
January 03 2011 07:07 GMT
#72
On January 03 2011 16:03 ZlaSHeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2011 15:58 Duka08 wrote:
On January 03 2011 15:53 IdrA wrote:
the incident they're referring to, i qualified for their christmas tour thing
when they messaged me to get online to play the final 8 i realized that i was actually banned from gosugamers so it would be inappropriate to play in the tournament and forfeited my spot.

If this is the case then what the hell is Enron spewing and why can't he just say that? Or is it because excluding Idra because he forfeited is such a bullshit reason that the poll would be worse than it already is lmao


probably scenario:

Enron: Hmmm, time to start up a poll for player of the year, I wonder who it should be, lets see

Huk? Check
qxc? Check
Jinro? Check
Idra? HUMPH :'( He didn't play in my tournament that he qualified for, so BM, WELL I'LL SHOW HIM, I' GONNA EXCLUDE HIM

*feels all mighty for a moment*

hehe, let me post about this poll on team liquid with a 1 sentence justification on why I don't like Idra, and THEN when the polls over everyone will forget about Idra because he's not worthy of my award!!!

[/scene]

This is almost the EXACT same scenario I pictured after Idra posted and seems the most likely. Pathetic. Seriously what's worse, him pulling shit out of his ass to cover that "reason" as BM, or banning him in the first place just because he didn't participate rofl.

Also Zelniq is awesome
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
January 03 2011 07:07 GMT
#73
On January 03 2011 15:51 dtz wrote:
i think it's a valid point to consider personality if it is titled E-Sportsman of the year or something.

Kinda like if some guy is having a scandal, he won't be Sportsman of the Year or the equivalent in ESPY.

but Best Non-Korean of the Year definitely refers to a player in terms of skill and thus it is stupid to exclude IdrA.

Barry Bonds got 3 ESPYs, along with his 6 MVPs.

It's also pretty ridiculous that SEn, Loner and Brat_OK aren't on that list.
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Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
January 03 2011 07:08 GMT
#74
On January 03 2011 16:05 iSiN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2011 16:00 ZlaSHeR wrote:
On January 03 2011 15:47 iSiN wrote:
Jinro did something idra did on a grander scale twice this year (Won a bigger MLG and Got farther in GSL)
Am I saying Jinro is better than IdrA? no just this year, overall, he was.


Idra won the King of the Beta Hill tournament and consistently won or had the highest average placing in tournaments he DID enter, the one week he enters a GC weekly he rolls through that shit without dropping much. Steamrolled through tournament after tournament, and was always THE guy that people feared most.

On January 03 2011 15:49 cyprin wrote:
On January 03 2011 15:47 iSiN wrote:
Jinro did something idra did on a grander scale twice this year (Won a bigger MLG and Got farther in GSL)
Am I saying Jinro is better than IdrA? no just this year, overall, he was.


Jinro had two good months.
IdrA has been consistent since the beginning of beta.


Pretty much my assessment as well. Jinro and Idra are both fantastic players, Idra is more feared in tournaments though, and he's been doing it since February 17th.

As a year overall, I'd have voted for Idra. Not that Jinro is far behind because the two are neck and neck.

On January 03 2011 15:58 Duka08 wrote:
On January 03 2011 15:53 IdrA wrote:
the incident they're referring to, i qualified for their christmas tour thing
when they messaged me to get online to play the final 8 i realized that i was actually banned from gosugamers so it would be inappropriate to play in the tournament and forfeited my spot.

If this is the case then what the hell is Enron spewing and why can't he just say that? Or is it because excluding Idra because he forfeited is such a bullshit reason that the poll would be worse than it already is lmao


probably scenario:

Enron: Hmmm, time to start up a poll for player of the year, I wonder who it should be, lets see

Huk? Check
qxc? Check
Jinro? Check
Idra? HUMPH :'( He didn't play in my tournament that he qualified for, so BM, WELL I'LL SHOW HIM, I' GONNA EXCLUDE HIM

*feels all mighty for a moment*

hehe, let me post about this poll on team liquid with a 1 sentence justification on why I don't like Idra, and THEN when the polls over everyone will forget about Idra because he's not worthy of my award!!!

[/scene]


:S We're basically saying the same thing but coming to different conclusions.
I'm saying Jinro's Results for his 2 month period has sent him into the top player of the year. Let's also remember he was on oGs' A-team. IdrA curb stomping some noobies from NA and EU server doesn't quite stand up to oGs' A-team winning the biggest MLG team and getting farther in GSL

I still think IdrA is a more skilled individual because FA just doesn't have the experience on that level BUTTTTTTT Jinro's Acomplishments this year were more important in my eyes.


Being in the A team was pretty arbitrary though, obviously its an accomplishment but he didn't compete in that gom team league, and was soon removed from it, and was put back on after qualifying?

On the giantbomb video of korea, it showed Ret and Huk being put on the A team within the week they arrived. Accomplishment yes, but not exactly a bigger accomplishment than qualifying all 3 GSL's and making it past RO64 each time, and then winning shit in beta.
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Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-03 07:09:15
January 03 2011 07:08 GMT
#75
On January 03 2011 16:03 Zelniq wrote:
there now this is properly named


Well played sir.

Yeah not having IdrA is a mistake. Like him or not, the dude has some serious skills and has proven it many times. MLG Champ, GSL Code S, KoTB Winner, IEM Germany runner up, etc....

A case could be made for him not being #1 (or vice versa), but to just not include him because of that is sort of silly in my opinion.
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relyt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1073 Posts
January 03 2011 07:09 GMT
#76
look what was posted by everlast in the comments
Guys IdrA signed up for the Holiday special, qualified for final 8 but then in pure calculated spite against GG.net, he showed up to let us know he was not going to play.

We´re not saying he´s not a good player, or maybe even the greatest, but if you´re here to spoil the hard work that we´re putting in for free for you guys (in fact spending €500 on in addition to hard work) then you do not deserve to be on the list.

It´s that simple.

He´s banned from GG.net, both as a user and as a player. He was not before he pulled that stunt.

So he´s disqualified from all considerations and its just as simple as that, please accept it and either vote on the other guys and write it off as the non-idra awards or dont, its your free choice as human beings
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
January 03 2011 07:09 GMT
#77
On January 03 2011 16:07 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2011 15:51 dtz wrote:
i think it's a valid point to consider personality if it is titled E-Sportsman of the year or something.

Kinda like if some guy is having a scandal, he won't be Sportsman of the Year or the equivalent in ESPY.

but Best Non-Korean of the Year definitely refers to a player in terms of skill and thus it is stupid to exclude IdrA.

Barry Bonds got 3 ESPYs, along with his 6 MVPs.

It's also pretty ridiculous that SEn, Loner and Brat_OK aren't on that list.


I don't think Loner or Brat_OK deserve it though, in terms of accomplishments this year, nor does Sen.

They could be the better players, but accomplishments wise, they nailed most of the players, minus Idra.
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CalmDown.Breathe
Profile Joined June 2010
United States176 Posts
January 03 2011 07:10 GMT
#78
By #92 Everlast of GG.net + Show Spoiler +
Guys IdrA signed up for the Holiday special, qualified for final 8 but then in pure calculated spite against GG.net, he showed up to let us know he was not going to play.

We´re not saying he´s not a good player, or maybe even the greatest, but if you´re here to spoil the hard work that we´re putting in for free for you guys (in fact spending €500 on in addition to hard work) then you do not deserve to be on the list.

It´s that simple.

He´s banned from GG.net, both as a user and as a player. He was not before he pulled that stunt.

So he´s disqualified from all considerations and its just as simple as that, please accept it and either vote on the other guys and write it off as the non-idra awards or dont, its your free choice as human beings


lol so he's saying IdrA wasn't banned before the tourney but he is now. Don't think IdrA would throw away free money. "pure calculated spite against GG.net"... if thats true, i'm curious as to why he would be so spiteful.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
January 03 2011 07:10 GMT
#79
On January 03 2011 15:55 mdb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2011 15:21 Kennigit wrote:
Sorry, if you don't include one of the most accomplished players of the entire year because he was BM then your award has zero credibility imo. How can you call an award "Best Non-Korean" and then include reasoning that has nothing to do with his merit, skill or accomplishments...Call it "The All Round Nice Guy And Decent Player Award".


No doubt imo that Idra was the best player of the last year and because of this he is a prime example for a lot of people, not only with the way he plays, but with the way he acts too. Its not fun for me that in the half of the games I play on b.net2 I`m told to "fuck off", "die" or "my family to get aids".
A little bit of well thought and smart BM is always good for the game, but cursing the people you play leads to nowhere, thats why I think that Gosugamers descision is not made without any reason.
Just so people remember, the first "pro" to say "get cancer and die" in a public tournament was Naniwa to Moman.
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FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4492 Posts
January 03 2011 07:13 GMT
#80
On January 03 2011 15:29 FuryX wrote:
Maybe a poll should be run on TL with Idra and a lot of the other players they chose to not include

Sen may have not played a lot of tournaments but he is an amazing Zerg player.

Maybe the guys over at Gosu Gamers should have put more thought into a competition that would be taken quite seriously from the community. The mere fact that they've excluded some of the top foreigners and included some questionable ones should leave you guys something to think about. About the whole IdrA debacle, It's a community vote, not "we exclude this player because we don't like him" So let the damn community decide who the foreigner of the year is, and put more effort into it next time.
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