Based on What? Idra and Jinro both took an MLG, and Jinro went further in GSL than Idra, although Idra qualified for more GSL's. It's subjective. We'll find out who is better within the week when they play in the Code S group.

Grettin

42411 Posts

January 03 2011 06:32 GMT

#22

Well said Kennigit.

But Its jinro or Idra no doubt. Both deserves it.

Alou

United States3748 Posts

January 03 2011 06:33 GMT

#23

Never saw the point in these lists. I'd probably end up picking IdrA though.

Butigroove

Seychelles2061 Posts

January 03 2011 06:33 GMT

#24

Gosugamers is such a joke.... T.T

Zlasher

United States9129 Posts

January 03 2011 06:33 GMT

#25

On January 03 2011 15:21 Kennigit wrote:
Sorry, if you don't include one of the most accomplished players of the entire year because he was BM then your award has zero credibility imo. How can you call an award "Best Non-Korean" and then include reasoning that has nothing to do with his merit, skill or accomplishments...Call it "The All Round Nice Guy And Decent Player Award".

I agree, I was about to post saying that, just because you remove someone from your poll doesn't make him any less of a gamer.

It's hard to argue that Idra isn't deserving of the award or at least top 5 so by removing him from your poll it illegitimizes your poll, not Idra's play.

On January 03 2011 15:33 Butigroove wrote:
Gosugamers is such a joke.... T.T

When they do stuff like this, or like during GSL3 qualifiers just c&p results from TL without credit til they get trolled. I agree, they've had such an arbitrary ranking system for so long and do small things that just don't make sense like this, its just saddening to see such decisions made so trivially for what is arguably the 2nd biggest foreign SC site.

Defacer

Canada5052 Posts

January 03 2011 06:33 GMT

#26

Um, how can this reward possibly be taken seriously if IdrA isn't at least a nominee?

If it's a sportmanship award or an "SC Athlete of the Year/Great Guy" Award, than I guess I understand. But Select's year has been pretty comparable to QXC's, in terms of acheivements. And TLO's a great guy, but so's Nony, Kiwikaki, InControl ...

I guess my point is, I'm not sure what you want us to base our judgement on.

If it's a popularity contest, than I voting for TLO or White Ra.

If I'm voting based on overall acheivement, than it's Huk or Jinro.

If I've voting for who I think would win a tournament in that group, than it's Jinro.

.Aar

2177 Posts

January 03 2011 06:34 GMT

#27

List is entirely invalid due to IdrA being left out; this really hurts GG.net's credibility. This was supposed to be a list of the best players, not the nicest.

--
e: If this list isn't 100% about pure skill/achievement, then what is it about? Tasteless does a lot for the game and he's a player; why can't we slap him on? Artosis qualified for GSL S1, which none of the players on this list except TLO managed to do, so where's he?

I'm a total badass, why aren't I on there? Who decided?
--

Gosugamers seems to think all Asians are Korean, so that's why Sen wasn't on there.

Also, Tarson seems to have quite a few fans, but he really doesn't seem like he's anything special and I don't know if he deserves to be on that list.

confusedcrib

United States1307 Posts

January 03 2011 06:35 GMT

#28

Pretend it's the "best American football player" award from espn, then imagine that some dude who is a really good player tells espn to "fuck itself" and "they don't know what they're doing" and "all the other players are bullshit." he's probably not the best football player because he's a giant dick. I wouldn't say someone was the best person if they bm constantly. I have no idea what idra did, and if it was bad enough to be disqualified, but manners definitely have to do with the community giving you an award.

And the fact of the matter is that the word "best" is subjective, and to them best has to do with manners and I happen to agree so omgwtf let's all post our subjective opinions about the meaning of a word on forum k?

Defacer

Canada5052 Posts

January 03 2011 06:35 GMT

#29

Shit dude, you beat me to it. I wholeheartedly agree.

Kennigit

Canada19447 Posts

January 03 2011 06:37 GMT

#30

On January 03 2011 15:35 confusedcrib wrote:

Show nested quote +

But it's not ESPN - and even if he was a dick, Manner has NOTHING to do with skill and merit. I have no problem with GG.net having an award where theres some judging criteria like:
- accompliments
- contributions to the community (maybe streaming, coaching posting etc)
- manner

and then have people vote.

Thats not what this is. Its called BEST non-korean of the year.

That list of candidates is very short and without any doubt includes Idra.

Kyandid

Canada124 Posts

January 03 2011 06:38 GMT

#31

word.

Still would've voted Jinro though.

BeMannerDuPenner

Germany5638 Posts

January 03 2011 06:38 GMT

#32

Post by enron @ gg.net poll comments:

You don't know the story here, take my word and accept the fact he was excluded do to the sportsmanship in the GosuGamers Holiday Special. It was nothing personal involved, and it was not about "bming each other". I'm just trying to explain things, not make a big deal out of it, but it's hard when people take what I say the wrong way. This is meant to be something good, please look past the fact he isn't among the nominees.

what kind of post is that... "you dont know the story but im not gonna tell you so take my word that its really bad! also im trying to explain things without explaining anything and people dont understand it and take it the wrong way!" ... what?

toss up between FA and Idra. idra def the by far most consistent player of all. FA destroyd evrything at the end of the year and was pretty much the 2nd best player in gsl3.

others dont compare imho.

Kennigit

Canada19447 Posts

January 03 2011 06:39 GMT

#33

So we (almost) all agree this is garbage. Can i close this now?

ZomgTossRush

United States1041 Posts

January 03 2011 06:39 GMT

#34

You guys realize plenty of other awards out there require more aspects other than just performance. If they choose to dq idra for reasons understandable its not that extreme. There have been a bunch of hesimans taken away, though they were technically breaking rules, the concept of off the field behavior effects accomplishment recognition still was applied

I am not saying i agree with it, but its not like we don't see other awards given out every year based on performance AND conduct.

Zlasher

United States9129 Posts

January 03 2011 06:40 GMT

#35

Sadly, closing this thread will just mean that people will see the link and not have a chance to read the discussion of how illegitimate this poll is. Awareness is 50% the battle, probably more given that there are tens of thousands of more community members on TL.

I'd leave it open so we can all continually deface gosu gamers absolutely ridiculous move.

confusedcrib

United States1307 Posts

January 03 2011 06:41 GMT

#36

Don't close it because everyone agrees, close it because this isn't a dictionary forum.

mizU

United States12125 Posts

January 03 2011 06:42 GMT

#37

Jinro, obviously.

StutteR

United States1903 Posts

January 03 2011 06:43 GMT

#38

Jinro/Fenix. Sick moves both of them.

Cyber_Cheese

Australia3615 Posts

January 03 2011 06:44 GMT

#39

i agree with this, would still vote jinro if it didnt require a login though

On January 03 2011 15:39 Kennigit wrote:
So we (almost) all agree this is garbage. Can i close this now?

its only going to be pages of 'who i voted' for or 'i should be able to vote for idra' if you dont

Defacer

Canada5052 Posts

January 03 2011 06:44 GMT

#40

On January 03 2011 15:39 Kennigit wrote:
So we (almost) all agree this is garbage. Can i close this now?

Personally, I think you should let this stay open. It's not like those nominees don't deserve some kind of recognition.

They should just change the name of the award to, " Guy we like the most out of this group of guys" Award.