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Kefka.dancingmad
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada262 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-23 00:19:17
November 22 2010 23:44 GMT
#1
I'm going to try and start streaming on my livestream soon at www.livestream.com/kefkasc2
So come check out my SC2 Stream.

Also I'll be offering lessons, my knowledge is quite good and I have done some decent feats such as beating ThisisJimmy recently in a tournament where he was a returning champion, or facing Machine in ro16 of ESL and having a 30minute macro game where I ended up losing due to lack of transitional practice and such(He outmicro'd me, I outmacro'd). Anyways, I really need money to go to Korea to apply for the GSL ( plane tickets, sadly are quite expensive )

So I'm offering lessons at 10$ an hour(to raise money for the trip) I think/hope that's the cheapest around. I have extensive knowledge of all protoss matchups and a strong grasp of all zerg matchups, my terran knowledge is a little low, but I can help anybody below 2000 diamond for sure.

PM if interested in lessons, feel free to ask any questions/etc and I will answer to the best of my ability.
HydroXy
Profile Joined May 2010
United States513 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-22 23:57:10
November 22 2010 23:50 GMT
#2
Kefka.dancingmad
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada262 Posts
November 22 2010 23:51 GMT
#3
I spoke to an Admin, It's dealt with, sorry for the misunderstanding.
jmillz
Profile Joined November 2010
73 Posts
November 22 2010 23:52 GMT
#4
since when does being 2300+ entitle you to a stream let alone give lessons? lol

User was warned for this post
Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
November 22 2010 23:52 GMT
#5
Chill's closing post in the last thread:
Suggested to kefka that he make a new thread. Let's try to be friendly this time (I'm guilty of being a dick too). I'm assuming Flaunt's claim has no merit as he hasn't posted any evidence.

Apparently, it's all good with them. Good luck, Kefka!
The room is ripe with the stench of bitches!
Soclever
Profile Joined June 2010
United States16 Posts
November 22 2010 23:52 GMT
#6
He's not a scholar anymore though
Sanasante
Profile Joined March 2010
United States321 Posts
November 22 2010 23:52 GMT
#7
He is posting about his stream, so maybe its legit
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ZaneZaneZane
Profile Joined August 2010
United States68 Posts
November 22 2010 23:52 GMT
#8
On November 23 2010 08:52 jmillz wrote:
since when does being 2300+ entitle you to a stream let alone give lessons? lol

Since when is there a rank requirement to have a stream?
slam
Profile Joined May 2010
United States923 Posts
November 22 2010 23:53 GMT
#9
On November 23 2010 08:52 jmillz wrote:
since when does being 2300+ entitle you to a stream let alone give lessons? lol
Chill told him to make a new thread cause everyone was being a dick. >.>
I get it.
Kefka.dancingmad
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada262 Posts
November 22 2010 23:54 GMT
#10
it is legit I assure you!
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18918 Posts
November 22 2010 23:56 GMT
#11
On November 23 2010 08:52 ZaneZaneZane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 08:52 jmillz wrote:
since when does being 2300+ entitle you to a stream let alone give lessons? lol

Since when is there a rank requirement to have a stream?

There isn't a rank requirement to having a stream (though, i like the sound of that idea tbh).
However, charging money for lessons is a completely different thing.
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Kefka.dancingmad
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada262 Posts
November 22 2010 23:58 GMT
#12
well, I figured I see professionals- semi professionals charge about 15-25$
Kefka.dancingmad
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada262 Posts
November 22 2010 23:58 GMT
#13
minimum wage is 10$ where i live as well.
YoonHo
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada1043 Posts
November 22 2010 23:59 GMT
#14
Even if I was a Bronze player I don't think I would get a lesson from you. Not because your a bad person or anything, it's just that your "achievements" aren't really achievements. I hope this works out for you though, it's always nice to see foreigners going to GSL.
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GreatFall
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1061 Posts
November 23 2010 00:03 GMT
#15
On November 23 2010 08:52 jmillz wrote:
since when does being 2300+ entitle you to a stream let alone give lessons? lol

User was warned for this post


I'm 323 Diamond and have a stream. I've seen gold players with streams. Are you even familiar with TL.net?
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BroOd
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Austin10831 Posts
November 23 2010 00:04 GMT
#16
You probably should've held off on making this thread until after your stream had been running for a bit and you had an audience. Right now, there's no reason for anyone to take you up on your offer because they can't gauge how good you are/what type of player you are. If I were you, I'd stream for a little bit and then maybe revisit this issue in a few days/weeks.
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DueSs
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States765 Posts
November 23 2010 00:05 GMT
#17
On November 23 2010 08:56 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 08:52 ZaneZaneZane wrote:
On November 23 2010 08:52 jmillz wrote:
since when does being 2300+ entitle you to a stream let alone give lessons? lol

Since when is there a rank requirement to have a stream?

There isn't a rank requirement to having a stream (though, i like the sound of that idea tbh).
However, charging money for lessons is a completely different thing.




Why? Whoever willing to pay 10$ an hour for lessons would presumably be smart enough to watch some of his stream to see if he's clearly a better player. Why can't a better player offer a less experienced or just less talented player lessons? That's silly to say you have a certain pro-level ranking in order to be justified in giving lessons or streaming. If a bronzer that just started RTS gaming wants to pay someone 10$ that's more experienced to get more up to speed--fine.


I took tennis, swimming, and piano lessons when I was a kid; they weren't from Andre Agassi, Michael Phelps, or Yanni.
Kefka.dancingmad
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada262 Posts
November 23 2010 00:05 GMT
#18
yes, I was planning on starting to stream in a day or two, my computer is terrible ( 5 years old ) so I have refrained from that for quite awhile. I know it's a bit odd, but I figured there's always an exception sometimes.
Kefka.dancingmad
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada262 Posts
November 23 2010 00:06 GMT
#19
I have several replays up on Topreplays with me vs Thisisjimmy, BigT, Rigid, and Ngry and several other high level players. I upload regularly, My computer just can't handle starcraft, let alone another program in the background.
ucbEntilZha
Profile Joined May 2010
United States96 Posts
November 23 2010 00:06 GMT
#20
Realistically, I don't see why people care about someone charging money for lessons. It happens in every other sport. There is no requirement to teaching or streaming if you are not forcing someone to be taught by you. If the person is good, then people will take lessons and watch the stream. If not, then it will just die off. At least it is much better than the GosuGamers cost per hour. Hell, I am in the Adopt a Noob program as a mentor and have only barely hit 1800/1900 on ladder. Why am I qualified to teach? Compared to the "noobs" (ie bronze, silver, gold, etc) I am significantly better so have knowledge to share, time in which to share it, and the ability to teach (gained from being a coach in sports)
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riesza
Profile Joined August 2010
66 Posts
November 23 2010 00:06 GMT
#21
At least he has a nice taste in game music.
Kefka.dancingmad
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada262 Posts
November 23 2010 00:07 GMT
#22
Also, I have first round of EG masters cup in an hour, would people be interested in me streaming that?
Legat0
Profile Joined October 2010
United States318 Posts
November 23 2010 00:08 GMT
#23
On November 23 2010 09:07 Kefka.dancingmad wrote:
Also, I have first round of EG masters cup in an hour, would people be interested in me streaming that?


Go for it!
Kefka.dancingmad
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada262 Posts
November 23 2010 00:08 GMT
#24
I believe it's PvT (My best matchup :D:D:D)
Deleted User 55994
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
949 Posts
November 23 2010 00:09 GMT
#25
On November 23 2010 09:06 Kefka.dancingmad wrote:
BigT.


Well, i'm sold. When do we start?
mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5657 Posts
November 23 2010 00:10 GMT
#26
I almost wanna take lessons from you solely based on the fact that your name includes both my favorite antagonist and favorite musical piece from any video game ever.

very nice
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huyNh
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada366 Posts
November 23 2010 00:17 GMT
#27
if you really want to go to korea, i think you should just get a job. no offense, but you're going to need alot more credentials than just beating thisisjimmy and surviving a 30m game against machine. like others have said, you should stream for a while and get your name out there before offering 10/h (expensive imo) lessons.
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Kefka.dancingmad
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada262 Posts
November 23 2010 00:18 GMT
#28
I have a LOTT more examples, but those are the best. Machine came 4th in MLG and Thisisjimmy was amazing and is still very very good.
Kefka.dancingmad
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada262 Posts
November 23 2010 00:20 GMT
#29
actually if you look around for coaches ( root gaming ) (gosu coaches) they offer it at about 20-25$ an hour.
Kefka.dancingmad
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada262 Posts
November 23 2010 00:21 GMT
#30
and my goal to go to korea is not ASAP ( would be, but complications )
qnoob
Profile Joined March 2010
United States40 Posts
November 23 2010 00:31 GMT
#31
when will your next stream be up?
Kefka.dancingmad
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada262 Posts
November 23 2010 00:31 GMT
#32
hopefully soon, tourny check in is 7:45 but I don't know if I can get my mic and everything to work.
ThisIsJimmy
Profile Joined July 2004
United States546 Posts
November 23 2010 00:36 GMT
#33
He beat me in a bo1 tournament match. Not a large accomplishment lol.

I would watch him play or check out some replays before paying for any lessons...
Twitter @_ThisIsJimmy_
Kefka.dancingmad
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada262 Posts
November 23 2010 00:41 GMT
#34
well it was a huge accomplishment for me! XD
AlexWilhelm
Profile Joined April 2010
United States143 Posts
November 23 2010 00:44 GMT
#35
Haters gonna hate; stream as much as possible, if you are as good as you think, people will hush, if not you will acquire no students. Let the market decide this one.
I smell of death, I reek of hate, I will live forever.
Kefka.dancingmad
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada262 Posts
November 23 2010 00:44 GMT
#36
YEP IM setting the stream up! so far so good ^.^ thanks to some helpful comments...
Flaunt
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
New Zealand784 Posts
November 23 2010 00:45 GMT
#37
PM me please Kefka. I want some answers as to why you haven't contacted me since the incident, thanks.
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Kefka.dancingmad
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada262 Posts
November 23 2010 00:49 GMT
#38
i did pm you, twice, you got the wrong guy.
Kefka.dancingmad
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada262 Posts
November 23 2010 00:52 GMT
#39
Hey guys, the streams up, I think its kind of working, I could use some help! haha.
Kefka.dancingmad
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada262 Posts
November 23 2010 01:06 GMT
#40
alright the streams working and i'm gonna do some ladder in a few minutes, come join me if u want XD
lol12tree
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada88 Posts
November 23 2010 01:53 GMT
#41
On November 23 2010 08:52 jmillz wrote:
since when does being 2300+ entitle you to a stream let alone give lessons? lol

User was warned for this post

yeah because being top 1.2% of DIAMOND (529/44k)
does not mean he should be able to teach the other 98.8% of diamond players , forget about the platinums, gold, silver, bronze.
dras
Profile Joined August 2010
Kazakhstan376 Posts
November 23 2010 02:01 GMT
#42
$10 an hour is really cheap.
Kefka.dancingmad
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada262 Posts
November 23 2010 02:08 GMT
#43
thank you, I would do 5$ but... then I would pretty much be doing slave work...
since its half the minimum wage. lol.
Kefka.dancingmad
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada262 Posts
November 23 2010 02:08 GMT
#44
anyways, tune into the stream im having a lot of epic games!
CynanMachae
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Canada1459 Posts
November 23 2010 02:16 GMT
#45
Are you the same Kefka I've played with quite a few time during the Beta?
Jang Yoon Chul hwaiting!
.kv
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2332 Posts
November 23 2010 02:29 GMT
#46
On November 23 2010 08:58 Kefka.dancingmad wrote:
minimum wage is 10$ where i live as well.



lucky....over here it's $7.25 :/
Kefka.dancingmad
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada262 Posts
November 23 2010 02:31 GMT
#47
Really? hm... well i'm in canada.. xD
lol12tree
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada88 Posts
November 23 2010 03:07 GMT
#48
its $8 in BC Canada
Kefka.dancingmad
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada262 Posts
November 23 2010 03:17 GMT
#49
ontario representin'
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18918 Posts
November 23 2010 03:21 GMT
#50
On November 23 2010 11:08 Kefka.dancingmad wrote:
thank you, I would do 5$ but... then I would pretty much be doing slave work...
since its half the minimum wage. lol.

Oh god knows, playing sc is JUST like slave labor.
-_-
You have to accept what the market offers. If you can get away with 10$/hour, fine. But i'll be surprised if you can find a reasonable amount of players that would offer that price.
We'll see though.
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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
November 23 2010 03:24 GMT
#51
On November 23 2010 12:21 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 11:08 Kefka.dancingmad wrote:
thank you, I would do 5$ but... then I would pretty much be doing slave work...
since its half the minimum wage. lol.

Oh god knows, playing sc is JUST like slave labor.
-_-
You have to accept what the market offers. If you can get away with 10$/hour, fine. But i'll be surprised if you can find a reasonable amount of players that would offer that price.
We'll see though.


Players like qxc charge 25$ an hour with Nony doing like 100$ an hour (by his interview sounds like what he does). So I wouldn't be surprised if he got 10$ an hour no problem.
When I think of something else, something will go here
dizzy101
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2066 Posts
November 23 2010 03:26 GMT
#52
$10 is a steal, the average is something like $20-30
Kefka.dancingmad
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada262 Posts
November 23 2010 03:27 GMT
#53
It's not slave labour, I love starcraft, being able to analyze my games and fix my mistakes, makes me like the game more!
Kefka.dancingmad
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada262 Posts
November 23 2010 03:27 GMT
#54
possibly, I played under the name Kefka in beta since around may... was I protoss? lol.
Kefka.dancingmad
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada262 Posts
November 23 2010 03:34 GMT
#55
Nobody has any questions for a 2300 diamond protoss? XD
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