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On October 24 2010 03:15 FoxSpirit wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2010 03:02 Etra wrote:On October 24 2010 03:00 _vladimir_ wrote:
For people who still wonder is that true or not, please read all pages instead of randomly answering, even Jinpro who we sure can trust, said that members of oGs, told him about that. So, this was quite know, even outside Werra Clan.
I'm really sad to hear that, Werra is one of biggest if not biggest SC 2 clan, and even tho they maybe didn't put results in GSL as some others did, they have alot of potential, and i really hope they will manage to find some solution how to move on from this awfull situation... Dominio effect. Guy screams sexual assualt, eventually spreads to everyone. How can you tell if he is telling the truth. First thing, give me a motive for the crime of false accusation. Start your way from there. "I dislike gays so I accuse one and in return have to risk my whole gaming life for which I gave up school". I'm always suspicious first but in the given case and the given evidence, I am not. Good luck to you Werra guys, I hope all of you soon find a clan which will pick you up :-\
How is he risking his whole gaming life. If he wants to be pro, he practices, you do not need a team to sign up for GSL.
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On October 24 2010 03:13 Beloth(OD) wrote:
Its a shame that everyone left the clan because of his sexual preference. It is so hard for gay people to live in this world with all the discrimination...
So are you saying attempted rape is ok as long as it's heterosexual or something? =/
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On October 24 2010 03:13 Beloth(OD) wrote:
Its a shame that everyone left the clan because of his sexual preference. It is so hard for gay people to live in this world with all the discrimination...
Ummmmm I read this more as their leaving because the manager was trying to force a member to have sex with him dont know what article you're reading.
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On October 24 2010 03:13 Etra wrote:
Why would they make it up? Some kind of inner clan dispute. Maybe they do not like him? Who knows? Also these players dedicate their lives to SC2, they will find a clan fast and I'm sure they do not need a clan to play SC2. If they want to be successful, they will find a way to play.
Again, the point I am trying to make is so many people are jumping to the conclusion that this guy is bad and evil. Just imagine Gundam right now, he could be crying his ass of or he might even commit suicide. I would hate to have everyone hate me because some guy made up some fucked up story about me. This guys life is at stake.
I don't think that really makes sense. First off, if the guy knows he's innocent, he will be able to clear his name after an investigation is concluded. Your point is well taken that it's not good to spread rumors about this story before an investigation is concluded, but having sympathy for someone who (most likely) committed a sexual assault in this circumstance is inappropriate.
Once the truth comes out the roles may be reversed and the accuser may be the one who is shamed, but for now, the sympathy should definitely go towards the victim and the team, not the accused. If Gundam turns out to be innocent, everything will turn out well for him in the end.
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On October 24 2010 03:15 Sadistic wrote:
Does anyone know what the korean laws are for actions like this?
Is it the same as the united states, where this guy would probably rot in prison for 5-10 years?
(which isn't nearly enough time imo)
Edit: I mean, what are likely consequences for this manager if someone seeks legal actions.
Arent u exaggurating it a bit too much? the guy didnt rape.. okay? pls.. everyone makes mistakes how disgusting they may be.. I dont think you should be this harsh to others.. i Know its revolting and not mannered at the very least but still.. people tend to follow a flock of haters and drive others to go commit suicide..
Just be sensible and dont overreact.
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On October 24 2010 03:18 Fa1nT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2010 03:13 Beloth(OD) wrote:
Its a shame that everyone left the clan because of his sexual preference. It is so hard for gay people to live in this world with all the discrimination... So are you saying attempted rape is ok as long as it's heterosexual or something? =/
No, he was being sarcastic.
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This seems to be getting as big of a scandel as the sc1 players betting scandel.
This doesn't look look for the progression of sc2 as a serious esport.
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Am I the only one who thinks Wonkyu should perhaps have left after the dude was hitting on him? I mean there's no way I'd stay in a guy's house after that happened, let alone sleep in it.
By the way, is the THE Gundam?? The one who always went 2 fact tank+mine push in bw?
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On October 24 2010 03:13 Beloth(OD) wrote:
Its a shame that everyone left the clan because of his sexual preference. It is so hard for gay people to live in this world with all the discrimination...
While I agree that there is a lot of discrimination of gays (even on TL), this is not one of those times. The fact that he's gay has nothing to do with this story.
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you can tell this guy is a child molester just by looking at him
![[image loading]](http://www.tatazu.com/n/attachments/2010/07/18680_201007202233292SZgg.jpg)
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On October 24 2010 03:13 Beloth(OD) wrote:
Its a shame that everyone left the clan because of his sexual preference. It is so hard for gay people to live in this world with all the discrimination...
You sir, are completely fucking BLIND. This is sexual assault, not being gay and making out with another guy. It might not be the first one, some others might have had problems but shut up (often happens, he's the coach, this is their job they sacrificed a lot), one of them had the guts to talk about it, some others might have been forced or assaulted, or maybe not, but nobody can tell yet but them.
It's not being gay the problem here, it's having lube on the table and taking advantage of someone sleeping to undress him. What the fuck do you think would have happened if he didn't wake up at once ?
Is charging someone who assaulted you when you're asleep fucking discrimination ? ....... Seriously....
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On October 24 2010 03:20 zomgtossrush wrote:
This seems to be getting as big of a scandel as the sc1 players betting scandel.
This doesn't look look for the progression of sc2 as a serious esport.
having a sex scandal makes it MORE of a sport if you look at some of the coaches over the last few decades..
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On October 24 2010 03:21 Nouar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2010 03:13 Beloth(OD) wrote:
Its a shame that everyone left the clan because of his sexual preference. It is so hard for gay people to live in this world with all the discrimination... You sir, are completely fucking BLIND. This is sexual assault, not being gay and making out with another guy. It might not be the first one, some others might have had problems but shut up (often happens, he's the coach, this is their job they sacrificed a lot), one of them had the guts to talk about it, some others might have been forced or assaulted, or maybe not, but nobody can tell yet but them. It's not being gay the problem here, it's having lube on the table and taking advantage of someone sleeping to undress him. What the fuck do you think would have happened if he didn't wake up at once ? Is charging someone who assaulted you when you're asleep fucking discrimination ? ....... Seriously....
Leave Gundam alone!
But seriously Beloth was trolling. People need to stop responding.
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On October 24 2010 03:15 Sadistic wrote:
Does anyone know what the korean laws are for actions like this?
Is it the same as the united states, where this guy would probably rot in prison for 5-10 years?
(which isn't nearly enough time imo)
Edit: I mean, what are likely consequences for this manager if someone seeks legal actions.
Lol he just did a move on him, wtf is wrong with you...
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On October 24 2010 03:19 Zeno wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2010 03:13 Etra wrote:
Why would they make it up? Some kind of inner clan dispute. Maybe they do not like him? Who knows? Also these players dedicate their lives to SC2, they will find a clan fast and I'm sure they do not need a clan to play SC2. If they want to be successful, they will find a way to play.
Again, the point I am trying to make is so many people are jumping to the conclusion that this guy is bad and evil. Just imagine Gundam right now, he could be crying his ass of or he might even commit suicide. I would hate to have everyone hate me because some guy made up some fucked up story about me. This guys life is at stake. I don't think that really makes sense. First off, if the guy knows he's innocent, he will be able to clear his name after an investigation is concluded. Your point is well taken that it's not good to spread rumors about this story before an investigation is concluded, but having sympathy for someone who (most likely) committed a sexual assault in this circumstance is inappropriate. Once the truth comes out the roles may be reversed and the accuser may be the one who is shamed, but for now, the sympathy should definitely go towards the victim and the team, not the accused. If Gundam turns out to be innocent, everything will turn out well for him in the end.
Very good point, but honestly it could already be too late. This guy could be in his room getting ready to tie a rope because he knows everyone as left his clan which he has dedicated his life too.
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On October 24 2010 03:13 Etra wrote:
Why would they make it up? Some kind of inner clan dispute. Maybe they do not like him? Who knows? Also these players dedicate their lives to SC2, they will find a clan fast and I'm sure they do not need a clan to play SC2. If they want to be successful, they will find a way to play.
No clan, no sponsorship, no food on the table. And you didn't finish school.
I have, in my whole life, not heard of a single instance where a whole sportsteam disbanded because of dislike for the manager. Even when the quarrels were earthquakes.
Use your brain for a chance. This aint no little girl accusing Mr. Roberts because she thinks he's a loathsome teacher, this is someone for whom his whole financial future is at stake.
You can ingore that but in return, your opinion carries no weight if you don't weight in the arguments.
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On October 24 2010 03:19 MisS_Suna wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2010 03:15 Sadistic wrote:
Does anyone know what the korean laws are for actions like this?
Is it the same as the united states, where this guy would probably rot in prison for 5-10 years?
(which isn't nearly enough time imo)
Edit: I mean, what are likely consequences for this manager if someone seeks legal actions. Arent u exaggurating it a bit too much? the guy didnt rape.. okay? pls.. everyone makes mistakes how disgusting they may be.. I dont think you should be this harsh to others.. i Know its revolting and not mannered at the very least but still.. people tend to follow a flock of haters and drive others to go commit suicide.. Just be sensible and dont overreact.
Fair enough. What punishment would you feel is fair, if any at all?
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couldn't he just had his fantasies with a male prostitute and not on this kids? sick psycho ass.
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