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)Is(Honest
Profile Joined September 2002
Korea (South)417 Posts
Last Edited: 2002-10-02 18:07:07
October 02 2002 18:05 GMT
#1
hi=) name some progamers who u think are under rated or over ( i mean "PROGAMERS" )

(don't diss on me for posting such lame thread.. less get the forum busy!! :D )
)Is(Honest
Profile Joined September 2002
Korea (South)417 Posts
October 02 2002 18:08 GMT
#2
for me i think )Is(attack is really under rated.. he a god tvz player and yet no1 downloaded his reps on the replay section!!

and i think grrrr is over-rated >_<
)Is(Honest
Profile Joined September 2002
Korea (South)417 Posts
October 02 2002 18:08 GMT
#3
everyone plz post! don't embarrass me by not posting ANy comments T.t
Liquid`Crystal
Profile Joined September 2002
Canada398 Posts
October 02 2002 19:08 GMT
#4
astic-x underrated pro he he he

andy rocks
asmetoyou
Profile Joined September 2002
China95 Posts
October 02 2002 19:24 GMT
#5
I think [z-zone]kos is
aka wufan18
)Is(Honest
Profile Joined September 2002
Korea (South)417 Posts
October 02 2002 19:54 GMT
#6
oh!! astic-x !!

u wrong he a newbie
i heard he didnt even get top 32 in canada

im pretty sure astic-x can get top 64th in canada though ^^
)Is(Honest
Profile Joined September 2002
Korea (South)417 Posts
October 02 2002 19:56 GMT
#7
z-zone kos already over rated~!!
OrangeTerran
Profile Joined October 2002
United States963 Posts
October 02 2002 20:55 GMT
#8
i think heaven30dom is under rated =[
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NoName
Profile Joined October 2002
United States1558 Posts
October 02 2002 21:34 GMT
#9
themarine & vgundam seem overrated. all recent results and replays i have seen of them, are them losing.
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InToTheWannaB
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4770 Posts
Last Edited: 2002-10-02 21:39:20
October 02 2002 21:36 GMT
#10
i think Arang is very over rated tsu beats his ass alot. Yes ill be The ass kisser and say Naz :r . When people talk about the best toss out there they say InToTheRain,Nal_Ra,Grrr and Gartmio(not sure how to spell it or anything for that matter),But they seem to forget naz and i think he showen he right up there with the best.
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asmetoyou
Profile Joined September 2002
China95 Posts
October 02 2002 22:04 GMT
#11
>
aka wufan18
AlmostSexy
Profile Joined October 2002
United States150 Posts
October 02 2002 22:47 GMT
#12
GARIMITO and Grrr... are both overrated. Reach is underrated, people dont give him any credit. He beats yellow, boxer, and other top players. People are like "omg how could have (insert name) sucked that bad" Hes best toss in my opinion. (im a toss player so im focusing on what i know
...
XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
October 03 2002 01:01 GMT
#13
Nazgul is under-rated, but he's not pro so I'm guessing Honest didn't mean to include him?

Junwi seems to be under-rated to me, I like his style of play.. altho I must admit it might just be because he's usually the underdog vs other big name players.

Over-rated... it's hard to say seeing as how they're all better than I am, or anyone I know for that matter. It's hard to criticize someone who has managed to stand out in the korean SC/BW community.

XaI)CyRiC
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28683 Posts
October 03 2002 03:43 GMT
#14
i've never been impressed with sync. :/

so I guess he has my vote for overrated.

also I think yellow is most underrated, even though people consider him the best zerg and maybe bw player in the world, that's not enough.

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asmetoyou
Profile Joined September 2002
China95 Posts
October 03 2002 04:19 GMT
#15
http://www.replays.net/sc/show.php?id=237
I thank [z-zone]kos is a good T v P player
aka wufan18
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
October 03 2002 13:14 GMT
#16
Overestimated: [Soul]ChoJJa
Underestimated: [Oops]Lee
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RedMeat
Profile Joined September 2002
United Kingdom490 Posts
October 03 2002 13:34 GMT
#17
Don't know if these are pro or not but underestimated = [pG]Ranger
overestimated = sync
I am the mirror, I am the destiny, I am the herald that points the way...
RedMeat
Profile Joined September 2002
United Kingdom490 Posts
October 03 2002 13:35 GMT
#18
Why did it reset my spacing? Oh well
I am the mirror, I am the destiny, I am the herald that points the way...
Telemako
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Spain1636 Posts
October 03 2002 16:15 GMT
#19
Under : Reach and Elky (he lost against the best at bw(Boxer) and war3(medusa)
Over: Garimto
I've been around since it all started, and it feels good
Senff2
Profile Joined October 2002
United States2 Posts
October 03 2002 16:32 GMT
#20
I actually don't think Grrr is overrated. He's still a really good gamer. But no one really rates him that highly anymore, do they? And back in the day, I think he was probably the best. Reach is definitely underrated still, even though he's been destroying people right and left. I think Sync was overrated as well. He was pretty good, but he didn't really have the best early game on earth.
I think this thing is broken.
mensrea
Profile Joined September 2002
Canada5062 Posts
Last Edited: 2002-10-04 01:43:30
October 03 2002 17:04 GMT
#21
It seems to me that a few of the names being thrown around here under the "over" category just shouldn't be. I think anyone who's followed the Korean pro gaming scene for at least the past year would know better than to say TheMarine and Garimto are OVERrated. The upcoming Starleague after the SKY 2002 will be the first Starleague TheMarine will have missed in like almost 2 years (only the very elite in Korea can say that), while Garimto's one of only two players in the history of ogn to have won the Starleague TWICE - the other's Boxer. Their records speak for themselves, but if not, then at the very least the opinions of the pros themselves should. As I mentioned in another thread, Garimto is still the only player that Boxer has publicly and repeatedly mentioned as his ultimate rival, while TheMarine (nevermind that he actually has a winning record v Boxer if you include all of their encounters in ogn, kpga and iTV) is on the "avoid-if-at-all-possible" list of virtually every elite-level pro in Korea.

"But, shit mensrea, they suck so badly these days..." Right. They suck these days. Garimto's busy with war3 and TheMarine's in the worst slump of his gaming career (I'm not exaggerating on this, folks). Doesn't mean they deserve the "overrated" tag. Just means they're not playing like they can or used to, for whatever reason.

In a similar vein, Junwi was never "underrated," precisely because he sucked so much for so long. People had him right the first time. On the other hand, he shouldn't be underestimated NOW, because he's a different player. Joining a pro team can do that to a guy's play. Before, he was a really good amateur who got owned by the pros. Now he's a pro himself and proving himself to be dangerous as hell. Watch for this guy. He's good.

Finally, Sync is perhaps a better candidate for the "over" classification, but I'm not sure if anyone who's won the ogn Starleague and who's won every encounter with Boxer (and also Nada, I think...) in the past 6 months can be "overrated." Yeah, he won the NATE when some of the favs like Boxer and Garimto were in a slump, and he did kinda suck this kpga, but he was unlucky in the ogn, being stuck in the same Group A as Reach and Elky in the round of 8, both players riding a hot streak. We'll see if his "collapse" continues (in which case, I'll be the first in line to holler "OVERRATED") or if he gets respectable results the next ogn and/or kpga (in which case, I'll be tellin' alla yous "I told you so!")...
actus non facit reum, nisi mens sit rea.
mensrea
Profile Joined September 2002
Canada5062 Posts
October 03 2002 17:04 GMT
#22
Oh, btw, Honest: nice thread.
actus non facit reum, nisi mens sit rea.
mensrea
Profile Joined September 2002
Canada5062 Posts
October 03 2002 17:07 GMT
#23
On October 03 2002 12:43 Liquid`Drone wrote:
also I think yellow is most underrated, even though people consider him the best zerg and maybe bw player in the world, that's not enough.



lol. Tough customer.
actus non facit reum, nisi mens sit rea.
)Is(Honest
Profile Joined September 2002
Korea (South)417 Posts
October 03 2002 20:26 GMT
#24
thansk

how can themarine/v-gundam be over-rated? >8[ they are gods! no??

i think the REAL OVERRATED PROGAMER IS "SHIN JU YOUNG"

HONEST`[sG] ! i shoudl have a game with him to see who can take the real glory of honest ^^
asmetoyou
Profile Joined September 2002
China95 Posts
October 03 2002 22:18 GMT
#25
aka wufan18
ToKoreaWithLove
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Norway10161 Posts
October 04 2002 02:38 GMT
#26
I think Sync is overrated. He won NATE by partly luck, seing how he went 2-1 in both 16 and 8, then 2-1 to ChRh, then he finally impressed by beating HOT 3-1, but really, he isn't quite "up there".

TheMarine is underrated. Poor guy, been on a slump for a few months (ever since the 'group of death' incident, with eugene, yellow and Hot(?) ) and people is acting like he is the reincarnation of a bgh newbie.

Boxer is underrated. He is GOD, and is over everybody else
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33429 Posts
October 04 2002 06:30 GMT
#27
It's all very very different depending on how you define "overrated".
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
HnR)hT
Profile Joined October 2002
United States3468 Posts
October 04 2002 07:07 GMT
#28
Mensrea pretty much said some stuff i was gonna say so im just gonna answer the question:

underrated- garimto (he is the most accomplished toss player and no one even seems to follow him anymore just because hes been in a slump. I think the last time he played like the 'garimto' we came to know and love was in 2001 king of kings, which he had a good shot at winning that was foiled by dissapointing rush losses to gundam). so garimto is still my favorite player and imo possibly the best in the world when hes on.

overrated- there are a lot that i dont think deserve the praise they are getting: sync (won nate when the all the BEST players were in slumps and didnt qualify round of 8 even), chojja (sorry but hes nothing compared to yellow), jinnam (i dont even know why some ppl think he is so good, he was in final vs boxer ages ago and lost 0-3 and hasnt done anything since), elky (luck got him to semifinals of current starleague, got group of 8 without boxer or yellow and possibly easiest group of 16), chrh (hes no longer the "random master" or whatever and he is just relatively unimpressive), oddysay (where did the "best tvt in korea" title come from anyway?), intotherain (hasnt done anything since cocacola starleague [even there he was taken apart by the then non-famous sync], i guess i might be shown wrong here if he qualifies and does well in the next starleague tho), and sonnjang (i guess he isnt highly rated anyway but just to make sure).
halpmeh
Profile Joined October 2002
United States333 Posts
October 04 2002 23:45 GMT
#29
tsu lost to arang when arang gave him vision...

anyway tsu isn't pro but he's the most overrated player in the history of this game...
halp meh halp yuo
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
October 05 2002 02:10 GMT
#30
YES!!
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mensrea
Profile Joined September 2002
Canada5062 Posts
October 05 2002 03:43 GMT
#31
halpmeh,

"You had me at 'hello'"
actus non facit reum, nisi mens sit rea.
Muhweli
Profile Joined September 2002
Finland5328 Posts
October 05 2002 03:56 GMT
#32
TaeWoo?
River me timbers.
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
October 05 2002 04:37 GMT
#33
I think that's ssamjang and I dont know if that many people think he's still good.
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StuFFofLegenDS
Profile Joined October 2002
United States245 Posts
October 06 2002 00:00 GMT
#34
Wow, excellent thread. It's nice to see semi-intelligent people making coherent posts. I've grown used to the b.net norm of tasteless flaming.
And NO sprinkles. For every sprinkle I find...I shall KILL you.
mensrea
Profile Joined September 2002
Canada5062 Posts
Last Edited: 2002-10-06 01:46:33
October 06 2002 01:44 GMT
#35
On October 05 2002 13:37 [pG]Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I think that's ssamjang and I dont know if that many people think he's still good.


TaeWoo is NOT Ssamjang. TaeWoo's had some success in the KPGA, but not since the beginning of '02. Ssamjang's been rumored to be trying to make a comeback (along with TheBoy) for a while now, but don't think it's really working out for him. But in his day, he was the player to beat in Korea. Perhaps the first pro gamer to really be considered dominant and the first to put sc on the map popularity wise (the first pro gamer in Korea to have his very own TV commercial: it was for the KORNET isp, for those interested). Definitely Hall of Fame material if we had one for sc and pro gaming...
actus non facit reum, nisi mens sit rea.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
October 06 2002 03:15 GMT
#36
He did beat Lim Seong Choon (InToTheRain) in one of his 2 games vs him (score 1-1). And I saw a recent (I think) replay of him vs grrrr with Ssamjang winning. There was a post at broodwar.com about the comeback of the boy, ssamjang and one more.

Regards FrozenArbiter
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HelpMyLoginIsFucked
Profile Joined October 2002
2 Posts
October 06 2002 03:41 GMT
#37
<b class=quote>On October 06 2002 09:00 StuFFofLegenDS wrote:</B><BR> Wow, excellent thread. It's nice to see semi-intelligent people making coherent posts. I've grown used to the b.net norm of tasteless flaming.


Semi-intelligent people? It's nice to see your ego has been providing a sheild from all the tasteless flaming on battle.net. Either way, there are some very good players who post here and even I object somewhat to being called semi-imtelligent.

Long live tasteless flaming
(as opposed to tasteful flaming)
Why has my password changed?
HelpMyLoginIsFucked
Profile Joined October 2002
2 Posts
October 06 2002 03:42 GMT
#38
Oh yeah, last post was RedMeat. Damn login
Why has my password changed?
mygirl2
Profile Joined October 2002
Korea (South)2 Posts
October 06 2002 06:26 GMT
#39
Yes he is. astic-x is really cool expert played and has good mannered And I'm not his friend or family LOL
Well. I used DL`FINKL b.net name in East server. You might remember DL`Jay and DL`Rip. They were a leader of DL clan(Dark Lust). Even I joined Cloud ladder :)
mygirl2
Profile Joined October 2002
Korea (South)2 Posts
October 06 2002 06:27 GMT
#40
astic-x is really cool. I'm not a his friend or family LOL
Well. I used DL`FINKL b.net name in East server. You might remember DL`Jay and DL`Rip. They were a leader of DL clan(Dark Lust). Even I joined Cloud ladder :)
Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
October 07 2002 04:40 GMT
#41
I think 'all' those Korean pro-gamer protoss users(except for nal_ra and reach) are overrated at this moment: They make so many mistakes, and grrr is just not good enough 'anymore', the skill has been taken to a new level and grrr.. has been left behind. InToTheRain makes so many mistakes for example in his WCG games, the list goes on.

I also think V-Gundam is overrated, in some ways he is really original, but his micro lacks big time!
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Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
October 07 2002 04:42 GMT
#42
oh and tsu is only funny to watch at times, cause of his strats and amusing wins, but he really isnt that good ;/
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InToTheWannaB
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4770 Posts
October 07 2002 17:23 GMT
#43
Grrr aint the best Toss anymore but i hate when people say he overrated Just cuss he aint the best anymore.The guy won WCG cannada 2 Times and then played well at the finals korea.His record speaks for itself real.I dont think Grrr can be overrated he a legeand of Sc
When the spirit is not altogether slain, great loss teaches men and women to desire greatly, both for themselves and for others.
Senff
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States360 Posts
October 07 2002 18:27 GMT
#44
Tsu was never THAT good. V-Gundam's micro VS Toss is incredible. It takes a TON of skill to do his giant push properly, laying mines just so, and building the stuff you need at the right time. It takes even more skill to beat it though.
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uT)CyrAx
Profile Joined October 2002
United States282 Posts
October 09 2002 09:18 GMT
#45
underrated: city/nada/oddy
overrated: garimto, jinnam, jinsu, crystal[inca], eji, and shitloads of others=[
-.,- ~cyraxle
Paragon
Profile Joined February 2006
United States295 Posts
June 28 2006 05:39 GMT
#46
On October 09 2002 18:18 uT)CyrAx wrote:
underrated: city/nada/oddy
overrated: garimto, jinnam, jinsu, crystal[inca], eji, and shitloads of others=[


CORRECT SIR
Not that Subway Wouldn`t still be pro, just not as pro as other things.. It`d be the Mumyung of sandwich places, I guess. - SweeTLemonS[TPR]
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
June 28 2006 05:42 GMT
#47
You know, usually when people want to get banned they just PM one of us and request it.

But I guess this works too.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
June 28 2006 05:44 GMT
#48
On June 28 2006 14:39 Paragon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2002 18:18 uT)CyrAx wrote:
underrated: city/nada/oddy
overrated: garimto, jinnam, jinsu, crystal[inca], eji, and shitloads of others=[


CORRECT SIR

What a great revive.__.;;

Nada had already won KPGA (now MSL) twice when he said that btw ; [
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
tKd_
Profile Joined February 2005
United States2916 Posts
June 28 2006 05:45 GMT
#49
I think PuSan is overrated but I could be wrong in the future.
Paragon
Profile Joined February 2006
United States295 Posts
June 28 2006 05:45 GMT
#50
On June 28 2006 14:44 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2006 14:39 Paragon wrote:
On October 09 2002 18:18 uT)CyrAx wrote:
underrated: city/nada/oddy
overrated: garimto, jinnam, jinsu, crystal[inca], eji, and shitloads of others=[


CORRECT SIR

What a great revive.__.;;

Nada had already won KPGA (now MSL) twice when he said that btw ; [


Oh.

zzz.
Not that Subway Wouldn`t still be pro, just not as pro as other things.. It`d be the Mumyung of sandwich places, I guess. - SweeTLemonS[TPR]
Paragon
Profile Joined February 2006
United States295 Posts
June 28 2006 05:46 GMT
#51
On June 28 2006 14:42 Bill307 wrote:
You know, usually when people want to get banned they just PM one of us and request it.

But I guess this works too.


I thought it would be fun to see who people thought was underrated in the past.

;_;
Not that Subway Wouldn`t still be pro, just not as pro as other things.. It`d be the Mumyung of sandwich places, I guess. - SweeTLemonS[TPR]
CaucasianAsian
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Korea (South)11583 Posts
June 28 2006 06:00 GMT
#52
Canata... is way under
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36375 Posts
June 28 2006 06:03 GMT
#53
reviving old threads was sooooo two days ago

http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=471

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CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
June 28 2006 06:14 GMT
#54
Yeah, I was affraid that will start a new trend of people going over OLD threads and posting a reply. But i didn't say it out loud because people might have gotten ideas.

I wanted to revive the Romania vs Russia thread, a few months ago when I came by, but it was already been brought to life in 2004 by some other romanian n00b, so meh. I just sat in my place. But it was fun to see scores like xxx vs advokate 2-0 / yyy vs androide 2-0 / zzz vs oober-gosu-rusian-pro-gamer 2-0.
Im not a n00b, I just play like one.
XDawn
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Canada4040 Posts
June 28 2006 06:17 GMT
#55
This whole 'old thread revival' is getting hella annoying >_<
Use it or lose it
BrutalMenace
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States1237 Posts
June 28 2006 06:19 GMT
#56
My Over vote goes to gundam... He has good micro/macro but he pushes to boldly everytime i see him play.

My under vote goes to Nal_Doggi... i think his terran is really solid
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
June 28 2006 06:27 GMT
#57
On June 28 2006 14:42 Bill307 wrote:
You know, usually when people want to get banned they just PM one of us and request it.

But I guess this works too.


Hahah, that gold ok Bill~~?
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