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This is not a whining thread, its a support thread. In which i would hope that all of you bring forth ways in which terran is over-powered because there are many.
I will give you an example.
1. The only mobile observer Zerg has (The OverSeer) is and ARMORED unit. Vikings are Anti-armored units; dealing insane amounts of damage vs armored air units and have a range of 9 !
Anyone thinking that is fair please, whatever you do don't post in this thread.
Now the idea is to keep this thread going until someone at blizzard reads it and does something about it.
If you support my idea and think terran should be nerfed please reply to keep this thread going.
Also please post concrete examples of ways in which terran is over-powered, even on specific maps and i will read and add them to the OP.
I do not care what all the upcoming terran users are going to write in this thread and call me another "whining zerg player". You're only humiliating yourselves because everyone knows its true.
Day9, if you're reading this, please tell us more about how terran is not over-powered but we zerg players just haven't found the right solutions in early / mid-game with the 4 units that Mr. Dustin Browder was kind enough to supply us with before Hive tech.
P.S. YES, i know Idra beat QXC will you people stop bringing up that ridiculous argument ? Idra won because he is THAT much better than QXC to win against Terran.
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Just a random note but like watching your streams so keep it up 
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I'm a zerg player and I'm going to call you a zerg whiner. You're just humiliating yourself and letting the terran players bottle up your zerg tears...
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On August 07 2010 01:51 ChickenLips wrote:
inb4 thread gets closed
terran player.
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On August 07 2010 01:51 cr4ckshot wrote:
I'm a zerg player and I'm going to call you a zerg whiner. You're just humiliating yourself and letting the terran players bottle up your zerg tears...
terran player pretending to be a zerg player; am i right ? 
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OR:
Zerg is lacking something, please add/buff.
But that would be a different type of thread, nerf threads get more attention and are easier to write.
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2. Tank smart fire.
Or make lings immune to splash lolol
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On August 07 2010 01:52 decemvrie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 01:51 cr4ckshot wrote:
I'm a zerg player and I'm going to call you a zerg whiner. You're just humiliating yourself and letting the terran players bottle up your zerg tears... terran player pretending to be a zerg player; am i right ?
Nope, zerg player since Brood War.
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You're raging pretty hard here. You should have just posted in one of the other Terran OP threads instead. Would have been easier. Lol.
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Silly thread..
"Lose to Terran -> Create thread on TL "
I'd say the game is pretty balanced. OP is obviously bad vs. Terran.. Look at ensnare, IdrA, gerared, etc, etc.
Kind of an embarrassing thread for the OP as it doesn't have very good arguments..
I do not care what all the upcoming terran users are going to write in this thread and call me another "whining zerg player". You're only humiliating yourselves because everyone knows its true.
OP is acting like a 12 year old.. ? Is it because he is? lol
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On August 07 2010 01:52 decemvrie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 01:51 cr4ckshot wrote:
I'm a zerg player and I'm going to call you a zerg whiner. You're just humiliating yourself and letting the terran players bottle up your zerg tears... terran player pretending to be a zerg player; am i right ?
Zerg player pretending to be a terran player pretending to be a zerg player.
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Anyone thinking that is fair please, whatever you do don't post in this thread.
"Anyone who doesn't agree with me, please don't post in this thread"
lol. great thread kid.
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On August 07 2010 01:54 NuKedUFirst wrote:
Silly thread..
"Lose to Terran -> Create thread on TL "
That's not really fair... the whiners create threads when they lose to 4-gate, too.
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I support this, it wouldn't be a huge deal if Overseers weren't a set unit type.
Cliff harass is also a huge issue. Drop a siege tank with marines on the high ground by the natural and you shut it down. At about 6:30 it is too early to get mutas and gaining vision with an overlord is difficult as the marines kill them. Causes you to lose your natural.
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On August 07 2010 01:52 decemvrie wrote:terran player.
Yes you're right and I think Terran should get a nerf. I still think this thread will get closed.
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On August 07 2010 01:54 Darkside- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 01:52 decemvrie wrote:On August 07 2010 01:51 cr4ckshot wrote:
I'm a zerg player and I'm going to call you a zerg whiner. You're just humiliating yourself and letting the terran players bottle up your zerg tears... terran player pretending to be a zerg player; am i right ? Zerg player pretending to be a terran player pretending to be a zerg player.
That's like Inception-grade mindblowing!
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What a useless thread, this thread is 90% whine 10% my overseers die to vikings oh no!
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On August 07 2010 01:48 decemvrie wrote:
1. The only mobile observer Zerg has (The OverSeer) is an ARMORED unit.
I think this is a valid point but is not really to do with only ZvT. Both matchups would be quite a bit nicer on the scouting front if Overseers weren't armoured. Stalkers seem to rip through overseers. Possibly making them have no bonus damage against them would make zerg scouting a bit easier?
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I would like to see another zerg unit.. Like an armored ground unit that does good air damage but poor ground damage.
And for all who just want to debunk the OP, you probably haven't seen him play. He is a talented player and he will probably rip you, bro.
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Isn't there a Massive thread by LaLush discussing this, ways to fix, should it be fixed etc?
Isn't it on the first page?
So you needed to make this thread why?
Go get in that discussion, put up your post there and debate it out. No need to clutter the forums with a thread that is already being discussed heavily.
Might I also refer you to the Zerg Tears thread? I play zerg/toss but I find it pretty humorous.
See you on the closed thread side
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This makes sense. If people realize this, there is gonna be more viking banshee mix going around.
If terran is not overpowered, why aren't there really many threads about how terrans needs buffs??
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Why is it that the creep tumors give so much damn vision? how about that?
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So all of you here that don't agree with me thing that its normal to have the only mobile zerg observer as an armored unit ? Did you actually give it some thought ?
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All the other detector units are light, which mainly makes them more vulnerable to phoenix and thor... but no other drawbacks really. Phoenix range is pretty short, so while they will rape your detectors, they at least have to be in range of your ground aa.
ideally overlords and overseers would have no type, like queens. I'd be happy to drop the +1 default armor to have that designator. Obviously if they were light they'd just be raped by phoenix.
The main issue is how do you deal with banshee/viking as a zerg when they can snipe your overseer before your hydralisks can get into range. The + armor bonus is about a 50% increase when you consider that vikings do 20 damage -2 from armor.
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On August 07 2010 01:48 decemvrie wrote:
This is not a whining thread, its a support thread. In which i would hope that all of you bring forth ways in which terran is over-powered because there are many.
I will give you an example.
1. The only mobile observer Zerg has (The OverSeer) is and ARMORED unit. Vikings are Anti-armored units; dealing insane amounts of damage vs armored air units and have a range of 9 !
Anyone thinking that is fair please, whatever you do don't post in this thread.
Now the idea is to keep this thread going until someone at blizzard reads it and does something about it.
If you support my idea and think terran should be nerfed please reply to keep this thread going.
Also please post concrete examples of ways in which terran is over-powered, even on specific maps and i will read and add them to the OP.
I do not care what all the upcoming terran users are going to write in this thread and call me another "whining zerg player". You're only humiliating yourselves because everyone knows its true.
Day9, if you're reading this, please tell us more about how terran is not over-powered but we zerg players just haven't found the right solutions in early / mid-game with the 4 units that Mr. Dustin Browder was kind enough to supply us with before Hive tech.
P.S. YES, i know Idra beat QXC will you people stop bringing up that ridiculous argument ? Idra won because he is THAT much better than QXC to win against Terran.
Lol noob. the solution is quite simple, stop sucking. there you go
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On August 07 2010 01:57 decemvrie wrote:
So all of you here that don't agree with me thing that its normal to have the only mobile zerg observer as an armored unit ? Did you actually give it some thought ?
That is the least of the TvZ MU problems
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even if Terran is OP, or Zerg is underpowered. This is still a whine post regardless. Also, creating such thread is useless. Post these things @ official SC2 forums, at least if you want blizzard to read it..
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Here are some things to consider.
1) You've just created a new thread where zerg players (intelligent, experienced, sober, or otherwise) are going to repeat things which have already been said a thousand times on these forums. I get that you may feel your own opinions are valid but now you're just conjuring up a shit storm of awful opinions from people whose understanding of the game is less than comprehensive (as if at this point anyone could really have a comprehensive understanding).
2) You're a featured streamer here which makes this type of post coming from you a lot more disturbing. You're abusing the fact that you have a (relatively) large audience. It's borderline ridiculous that you would utilize teamliquid (as in the website itself, not the organization) for exposure and then clutter it with more redundant complaining (it is an objective truth that this is complaining... don't get sensitive).
3) Zergling, baneling, queen (iffy), roach, hydralisk, mutalisk, corrupter, infestor. 8.
4) In case you hadn't already picked up on what was implied by everything else... why not just add this to another thread? I guess you feel as though you're like the moses of the nerf Terran campaign or something? Blog about it bro.
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On August 07 2010 01:58 muta_micro wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 01:48 decemvrie wrote:
This is not a whining thread, its a support thread. In which i would hope that all of you bring forth ways in which terran is over-powered because there are many.
I will give you an example.
1. The only mobile observer Zerg has (The OverSeer) is and ARMORED unit. Vikings are Anti-armored units; dealing insane amounts of damage vs armored air units and have a range of 9 !
Anyone thinking that is fair please, whatever you do don't post in this thread.
Now the idea is to keep this thread going until someone at blizzard reads it and does something about it.
If you support my idea and think terran should be nerfed please reply to keep this thread going.
Also please post concrete examples of ways in which terran is over-powered, even on specific maps and i will read and add them to the OP.
I do not care what all the upcoming terran users are going to write in this thread and call me another "whining zerg player". You're only humiliating yourselves because everyone knows its true.
Day9, if you're reading this, please tell us more about how terran is not over-powered but we zerg players just haven't found the right solutions in early / mid-game with the 4 units that Mr. Dustin Browder was kind enough to supply us with before Hive tech.
P.S. YES, i know Idra beat QXC will you people stop bringing up that ridiculous argument ? Idra won because he is THAT much better than QXC to win against Terran. Lol noob. the solution is quite simple, stop sucking. there you go
Although I don't agree with most of what he's saying, he is quite a well known player.
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just look at the numbers of the top ranked terran scrubs with 60 apm...
QED!
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Seriously Terran is not hard to beat as Zerg... you have to be innovative in how you play.
I make sure to get an expansion pretty early ~20 supply, then get on three bases around 50 supply, and out-macro the terran. Simple. Sure there are some complications, maybe you need Spore Crawlers, extra lings, but Zerg can handle it. In the end, I aim for roach/hydra/muta to win.
I would like a 1 supply unit though 
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I also believe Terran is OP in the TvP match up. Marines > Every cybercore unit, and cloaked emp'ing > Sentry FF. They get given the turtling units (Tanks) and also the extremely offensive units (Reapers and Banshee's).
The only way i can normally beat a good terran is blink stalkers, but that loses to a straight up early push if you dont have like 2/3 sentrys out early as possible.
Yet i don't seem to see top terran players just going bio ball with emp against P, yet it seems to be so effective.
Just my opinion.
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On August 07 2010 01:48 decemvrie wrote:
Anyone thinking that is fair please, whatever you do don't post in this thread.
you should make this clearer.
it could happen that people come and dont write what you want!
i think its the best you write in your op what they have exactly to post.
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On August 07 2010 01:48 decemvrie wrote:
If you support my idea and think terran should be nerfed please reply to keep this thread going.
OMG I'm replying! Oh wait...
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