that was kind of what i was getting at. a lot of religions (maybe all?) contain more than some arbitrary silly dogma and specific taboos etc. within all that, usually via symbolism and rhetoric, are truly decent arguments and teachings for living a good life and operating your mind. unfortunately most people focus more on the arbitrary and fantastical dogmas (i.e. "buddhists believe in reincarnation, christians hate abortion and fags, believe in one deity and the deity put his son which was almost him and died and rose from the dead and performed magic tricks and u should pray to them to go to heavnen") and less on the most valuable parts of religious traditions

I don't know where people like you derive their knowledge on these subjects, it really blows my mind. is there some pamphlet you're all getting in the mail?

GoSexyPerli

United States1072 Posts

June 02 2004 08:51 GMT

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RuGbUg

United States2347 Posts

June 02 2004 08:53 GMT

#464

On June 02 2004 17:48 GoSexyPerli wrote:

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EXISTENCE OF ALMIGHT IN A SPIRITUAL WORLD WHO WATCHES OVER US AND CREATED THIS ENTIRE PLANET AND YOUR LIFE.

MIRACLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tell me who said that or stop pulling quotes out of your ass faster than a full anal search.

baal

10541 Posts

June 02 2004 08:53 GMT

#465

On June 02 2004 17:50 GoSexyPerli wrote:
are you really to fucking stupid to see that i was generalzing what religions base their beliefs on?

PRESS THE X IN THE TOP RIGHTHAND CORNER AND GO FLUSH YOUR UGLY FACE DOWN THE TOILET OVER AND OVER!

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHA man you rule!

considering that "rage", i declare GoSexyPerli the temporary christian slayer if im not present

BTW Perli, bring your own sword and shield.

GoSexyPerli

United States1072 Posts

June 02 2004 08:55 GMT

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Liquid`Drone

Norway28659 Posts

June 02 2004 08:57 GMT

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perli I regard myself as an atheist.

doesn't mean I think I know how we (humans, earth, the universe, everything) were "created" or anything similar. in fact my point of view is that I realize there's absolutely no way we can know for certain thus I'm happy with being ignorant.

so I SHOULD be an agnostic. however at the same time, the option of there being some motherfucker who created us and then gave us a bunch of guidelines and rules for how we were supposed to live so we could either spend the afterlife with him in heaven or burn in agony FOREVER is so disgusting I'd rather not be alive if that was in fact true.

so I refuse to acknowledge the possibility of me being created by some kind of all powerful being like that.

I could live with earth being an experiment by some extremely high tech aliens who just wanted to test out how long it would take for intelligent life to evolve or something like that. but a god like the christian god just to me is not an option, and I'd rather be dead (or, never be created. he didn't even fucking ask me if I wanted to exist before creating me, wtf is that? ) than have that be the truth. at least if he's anything like what the bible portrays him to be.

as far as I know buddhism (a religion I respect many elements of) doesn't have a theory regarding the creation of earth/the universe nor any "god", thus nothing I say applies to that.

GoSexyPerli

United States1072 Posts

June 02 2004 08:59 GMT

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Hot_Bid

Braavos36374 Posts

June 02 2004 09:12 GMT

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someone create a "there is a god" "there is no god" poll and we can decide this democratically

Heen

Korea (South)2178 Posts

June 02 2004 09:20 GMT

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On June 02 2004 18:12 Hot_Bid wrote:
someone create a "there is a god" "there is no god" poll and we can decide this democratically

I'm flattered to think that you consider our votes to have such an influence as to determining the truth.

Arbiter[frolix]

United Kingdom2674 Posts

June 02 2004 09:21 GMT

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On June 02 2004 16:03 travis wrote:

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What the hell are you talking about. I didn't use the existence of consciousness as evidence for anything, only to show that things aren't so fucking simple.

I really think you should calm down. I was not talking specifically to you, I was making a general comment about the relevance of consciousness to debates about God and religion. If you take it as an attack on you then that is not my problem.

Arbiter[frolix]

United Kingdom2674 Posts

June 02 2004 09:29 GMT

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im agnostic, a no opinion pussy.

Agnosticism is the most rational position in my opinion, given the lack of evidence to actually prove anything.

Liquid`Spy

Netherlands1301 Posts

June 02 2004 17:19 GMT

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I believe what I know for a fact. Anything besides that (some existence outside the 'box') could be anything. God as christians describe him would then only be one of the endless amount of possibilities that lie beyond our mind's grasp. For all I know there COULD be a God, I only feel it's as unlikely as baal's pink elephants so there's no reason to believe in it.