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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33723 Posts
May 29 2004 03:03 GMT
#361
On May 29 2004 12:02 Jim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2004 12:01 FrozenArbiter wrote:
On May 29 2004 11:56 hk[hanbyul] wrote:
It's funny how most ppl say bruce lee was just an actor but yet they look at jackie chan and jet li as like gosu's of fighting, when they are just actors themselves. True that both jet and jackie were good at a young age especially jet li since he had won so many wushu tournaments, i've even see videos of him practicing when he was 22, he was pretty quick himself. But both cannot compare to bruce lee who had to train for his own survival and bring kung fo to america.

Neither Jack nor Jet Li are fighters
They are artists, performers-_-~

jet li is the shit frozenarbitor. I have 15 movies with him and he pawns everyone with amazing skill.

I had 15 movies with him, and he is an amazing wushu talou artist. Not a fighter -_-;
http://www.jetli.com
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
inc
Profile Joined June 2003
Sweden889 Posts
May 29 2004 03:08 GMT
#362
On May 29 2004 12:03 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2004 12:02 Jim wrote:
On May 29 2004 12:01 FrozenArbiter wrote:
On May 29 2004 11:56 hk[hanbyul] wrote:
It's funny how most ppl say bruce lee was just an actor but yet they look at jackie chan and jet li as like gosu's of fighting, when they are just actors themselves. True that both jet and jackie were good at a young age especially jet li since he had won so many wushu tournaments, i've even see videos of him practicing when he was 22, he was pretty quick himself. But both cannot compare to bruce lee who had to train for his own survival and bring kung fo to america.

Neither Jack nor Jet Li are fighters
They are artists, performers-_-~

jet li is the shit frozenarbitor. I have 15 movies with him and he pawns everyone with amazing skill.

I had 15 movies with him, and he is an amazing wushu talou artist. Not a fighter -_-;
http://www.jetli.com



frozen, you suck, almost every swedish person hates you, ok? fuck off
i savour every bit of the numerous gifts life is offering me, having no worries, goals or regrets, constantly trading time for pleasure
Malmis
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Sweden1569 Posts
May 29 2004 03:10 GMT
#363
I love him-_-; <3
To Suport@Bethsoft.com: okay so i completed morrowind.. um, can i have my life back now?
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33723 Posts
May 29 2004 03:15 GMT
#364
On May 29 2004 12:08 inc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2004 12:03 FrozenArbiter wrote:
On May 29 2004 12:02 Jim wrote:
On May 29 2004 12:01 FrozenArbiter wrote:
On May 29 2004 11:56 hk[hanbyul] wrote:
It's funny how most ppl say bruce lee was just an actor but yet they look at jackie chan and jet li as like gosu's of fighting, when they are just actors themselves. True that both jet and jackie were good at a young age especially jet li since he had won so many wushu tournaments, i've even see videos of him practicing when he was 22, he was pretty quick himself. But both cannot compare to bruce lee who had to train for his own survival and bring kung fo to america.

Neither Jack nor Jet Li are fighters
They are artists, performers-_-~

jet li is the shit frozenarbitor. I have 15 movies with him and he pawns everyone with amazing skill.

I had 15 movies with him, and he is an amazing wushu talou artist. Not a fighter -_-;
http://www.jetli.com



frozen, you suck, almost every swedish person hates you, ok? fuck off

ROFLOL ROFLOL
Ahahahahaah
This is just what I need to spice up my day ^_^ More senseless bashing plz gogo ^_^
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33713 Posts
May 29 2004 03:48 GMT
#365
from my completely objective (good lord, how can I say that with a clear conscience?!) point of view, casper = god
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
MaxPepper
Profile Joined January 2003
Sri Lanka298 Posts
May 29 2004 04:15 GMT
#366
bruce lee,
id like to see stalone vs arnold
Freedom is not something you live for, its something you die for.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33723 Posts
May 29 2004 04:16 GMT
#367
On May 29 2004 12:48 Waxangel wrote:
from my completely objective (good lord, how can I say that with a clear conscience?!) point of view, casper = god

I do have to agree with you, and I am unbiased!
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Zerius[TPR]
Profile Joined April 2003
Canada1633 Posts
May 29 2004 04:58 GMT
#368
On May 29 2004 10:48 DickDodgers wrote:
Have you guys ever seen mixed martial arts competitions? When have you ever seen anyone jump around and do bruce lee shit? That kind of stuff is FOR THE MOVIES. It comes down to 130 lb man in very good shape vs a 220 lb man in very good shape, both good fighters. Stop worshiping lee as a god, he was a man.


ding ding ding, winner
where from you, circus?
Tien
Profile Joined January 2003
Russian Federation4447 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-05-29 05:15:08
May 29 2004 05:12 GMT
#369
I guess this is the wrong forum to be asking this question...

Teamliquid is quite educated in BW but when the questions aren't directed at BW the field of knowledge begins to slip away.

I would like to argue this with someone who has a profound level of knowledge and understanding about a fight. If you do, respond to page 12 post. Im sick and tired of hearing bullshit and ignorant replies like:

"Ali outweighed Bruce by 80 pounds, Lee loses automatically."
"Bruce was just an actor, what does he know about fighting?"

If you are one of those types that would answer that way, please just stick to BW arguments, dont spill out your sorry excuse for a fighting education upon this topic.

BTW, I am a HUGE ali fan too. Im not a "Bruce lee owned on tv, Bruce LEe owns!" I study just as much from Ali as I have from Bruce Lee. I have numerous videos on Ali and I consider him one of the greatest.

I still dont understand why some of you have never read anything about Bruce Lee yet you still talk about him?

EDIT: Frozen, you seem like the only one rooting for Ali that has any idea about a fight. I would be glad to continue this discussion with you. You seem to know what you are talking about.
We decide our own destiny
iggs7
Profile Joined May 2004
105 Posts
May 29 2004 05:13 GMT
#370
zerius you are a troll, if you dont know shit about something stfu and leave it to the people who are obviously more informed than you
faggot
hi
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
May 29 2004 05:30 GMT
#371
On May 29 2004 14:13 iggs7 wrote:
zerius you are a troll, if you dont know shit about something stfu and leave it to the people who are obviously more informed than you
faggot


banned.
why so 진지해?
Zerius[TPR]
Profile Joined April 2003
Canada1633 Posts
May 29 2004 05:31 GMT
#372
On May 29 2004 14:30 [pG]Rekrul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2004 14:13 iggs7 wrote:
zerius you are a troll, if you dont know shit about something stfu and leave it to the people who are obviously more informed than you
faggot


banned.


lmao, man thats good stuff.
where from you, circus?
Tien
Profile Joined January 2003
Russian Federation4447 Posts
May 29 2004 05:33 GMT
#373
when ur banned, is that from posting or from the site alltogether? I better start toning down a bit.
We decide our own destiny
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
May 29 2004 05:45 GMT
#374
ip ban is from everything

and nah tien you're fine
why so 진지해?
NewbSaibot
Profile Joined May 2004
3849 Posts
May 29 2004 06:43 GMT
#375
Well i had to skip about 500 replies over the last 10 pages from when i slept. And the debate still rages on with what looks to be still, little insight into what actual fighting is all about. There is one critical thing that i havent seen anyone post yet, (keep in mind all the posts i missed), and thats experience. And i mean actual fighting experience. Training will only get you so far, but 90% of the time that all goes out the window once youre actually fighting someone. Your mind panics, you get flustered, the stress of someone trying to do true physical harm to you can be quite overwhelming and next thing you know youre just throwing wild punches and kicks, things you were never taught to, things that only come with instinct.

Ali however would not fall into this trap, his emotions wouldnt break down and become panicky and just start throwin wild punches like an idiot because he's all scared and shit of someone hitting him. Would bruce? Who knows, the man didnt fight for a living! Nobody really knows how many true fights he got into, but i think its been well aggreed that it wasnt that many. Not only did he not fight competively, he didnt go around getting in bar fights or anything of the sort either.

As tien mentioned about how size and numbers of an army dont always make a win, well i related that to bruces speed and dexterity. People are using Lee's physical attributes only to define what he can do. An army of 10 men can beat 100 if those 10 are battle hardened soldiers with 20 years of experience, compared to 100 newbs whove never fired a gun at someone.

Ali was essentially the utmost in perfection when it comes to size and speed. Bruce lee was probably faster in the 'overall' department, but when looking at mans ultimate ability to become a machine, Ali was it. And you just cant topple how much real-world experience really matters. And i say again, routinely fighting for over half an hour at a time is an UNGODLY feat. No martial arts tournaments, bouts, or scrimmages ever consist of this duration. Lee and Ali could surely both exericise side by side for an equal length of time, but when youre mind has to be sharp and your body enduring, 30 minutes is like hours.

You cannot personalize this because you might run 10 miles per day, or work out at the gym for 2 hours a night, so you know how that feels. Go find a sparring partner at the gym or a boxing school with a friend, and just get some ring time in with a buddy (if you dont know how to fight), and try fighting for a half hour strait. Giving it all you got. I guarantee you will be exhausted in about 5-10 minutes, even if you are perfectly fit.
I went to the chippy last night and only orderd chips because I knew I could get fish from her bushy plate.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33723 Posts
May 29 2004 06:48 GMT
#376
The experience issue has been addressed

I did post an interesting link - which everyone ignored, I might post it again ;o

Someone saying that his friends who knew Bruce Lee said that he rarely won a fight in NYC chinatown. On the other hand, those he fought was the very best around and he certainly could handle himself etc o_O
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
0_0
Profile Joined April 2004
United States2090 Posts
May 29 2004 06:56 GMT
#377
On May 29 2004 15:43 NewbSaibot wrote:
Well i had to skip about 500 replies over the last 10 pages from when i slept. And the debate still rages on with what looks to be still, little insight into what actual fighting is all about. There is one critical thing that i havent seen anyone post yet, (keep in mind all the posts i missed), and thats experience. And i mean actual fighting experience. Training will only get you so far, but 90% of the time that all goes out the window once youre actually fighting someone. Your mind panics, you get flustered, the stress of someone trying to do true physical harm to you can be quite overwhelming and next thing you know youre just throwing wild punches and kicks, things you were never taught to, things that only come with instinct.

Ali however would not fall into this trap, his emotions wouldnt break down and become panicky and just start throwin wild punches like an idiot because he's all scared and shit of someone hitting him. Would bruce? Who knows, the man didnt fight for a living! Nobody really knows how many true fights he got into, but i think its been well aggreed that it wasnt that many. Not only did he not fight competively, he didnt go around getting in bar fights or anything of the sort either.

As tien mentioned about how size and numbers of an army dont always make a win, well i related that to bruces speed and dexterity. People are using Lee's physical attributes only to define what he can do. An army of 10 men can beat 100 if those 10 are battle hardened soldiers with 20 years of experience, compared to 100 newbs whove never fired a gun at someone.

Ali was essentially the utmost in perfection when it comes to size and speed. Bruce lee was probably faster in the 'overall' department, but when looking at mans ultimate ability to become a machine, Ali was it. And you just cant topple how much real-world experience really matters. And i say again, routinely fighting for over half an hour at a time is an UNGODLY feat. No martial arts tournaments, bouts, or scrimmages ever consist of this duration. Lee and Ali could surely both exericise side by side for an equal length of time, but when youre mind has to be sharp and your body enduring, 30 minutes is like hours.

You cannot personalize this because you might run 10 miles per day, or work out at the gym for 2 hours a night, so you know how that feels. Go find a sparring partner at the gym or a boxing school with a friend, and just get some ring time in with a buddy (if you dont know how to fight), and try fighting for a half hour strait. Giving it all you got. I guarantee you will be exhausted in about 5-10 minutes, even if you are perfectly fit.


Since Ali was bigger, it would probably also mean he had less stamina, remember the T1 dude I mentioned earlier(forget his name)? He was huge, and could take you out easily in the first few minutes, but after that he was wasted =/.
User_2
Profile Joined March 2004
Russian Federation1020 Posts
May 29 2004 06:57 GMT
#378
Bob Sapp?
To my teacher: Sir, you are too tall.
StoneR
Profile Joined April 2003
Spain1252 Posts
May 29 2004 06:59 GMT
#379
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NewbSaibot
Profile Joined May 2004
3849 Posts
May 29 2004 07:00 GMT
#380
Since Ali was bigger, it would probably also mean he had less stamina, remember the T1 dude I mentioned earlier(forget his name)? He was huge, and could take you out easily in the first few minutes, but after that he was wasted =/.
There is no probably here, these arent hypothetical statements about Ali. He DID have the stamina even with his size. Lee however, has nothing to prove his case, every situation with him is completely hypothetical. "Oh he'd gouge your eyes out" yea i wonder just how many times he ever got to practice that one on somebody.
I went to the chippy last night and only orderd chips because I knew I could get fish from her bushy plate.
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