wow you're saying evidences is not the way to go, but so far that's the fuckin way to go if you want a community to take you seriously, this is major issue man post some stuff to back up what you've heard. Make a fuckin draw if you have to ...

zul

Germany5427 Posts

April 11 2010 23:59 GMT

#242

for those who know - c.r.e.a.m.

LuckyFool

United States9015 Posts

April 11 2010 23:59 GMT

#243

yeah screenshot those msn convo's rek I absolutely have to see the proof I don't believe your word>!!>!>

srsly though why are people demanding proof so much, rek wouldn't talk about this at all if there wasn't credibility behind it. this is motherfucking rekrul after all.

PanN

United States2828 Posts

April 12 2010 00:02 GMT

#244

On April 12 2010 08:59 LuckyFool wrote:
yeah screenshot those msn convo's rek I absolutely have to see the proof I don't believe your word>!!>!>

srsly though why are people demanding proof so much, rek wouldn't talk about this at all if there wasn't credibility behind it. this is motherfucking rekrul after all.

I dunno, maybe because its a big claim?

LuckyFool

United States9015 Posts

April 12 2010 00:07 GMT

#245

He even says at the beginning of the vid, he could post msn convos but it would mean nothing to the majority because we don't know his sources personally. (koreans who have been investigating this...)

People are just trying to find ways out of believing this might be true...

Mobius

Canada1268 Posts

April 12 2010 00:09 GMT

#246

On April 12 2010 08:52 scyper wrote:

Show nested quote +

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=86469

ahh thank you!

Tien

Russian Federation4447 Posts

April 12 2010 00:12 GMT

#247

You guys that don't believe it unless more evidence is supplied, do you think it doesn't happen?

It's almost way too effing easy to throw a match and the incentives are substantial compared to their salaries.

So easy to throw a game, so many games being played all the time. 6 guys that Rek named is just the tip of the iceberg, I reckon it is more than just 18 guys rigging matches.

Asjo

Denmark664 Posts

April 12 2010 00:13 GMT

#248

It's funny, because on the other Rekrul-thread I said that only some Savior-losses could be blamed on throwing matches and not his entire slump, seeing that most people would bet against him. However, with the possibility of him betting against himself, something that was casually ruled out in the original thread, it puts things into perspective. It was quite funny how I just made it through the list of all of Diggity's commentaries, went back to the top of his uploads list, the most recent ones, watched some matches and ended up watching Best vs Savior in Winners League from the end of Janauary. Here, I just couldn't help thinking how Saviour looked very cold and calculating and at the same time didn't really seem to care. His decision-making was so horrible that I couldn't help constantly thinking that he was doing it on purpose.

My innocence has been ruined! :o

Tien

Russian Federation4447 Posts

April 12 2010 00:13 GMT

#249

EVEN IF Rekrul is still talking out of his ass, I'm still convinced some players rig matches for profit motives.

Happens in every single sport, everywhere.

Tekin

2711 Posts

April 12 2010 00:23 GMT

#250

So does this mean the Flash losing the MSL was a rig match? hmm..

pubbanana

United States3063 Posts

April 12 2010 00:23 GMT

#251

On April 12 2010 09:13 Asjo wrote:
haha, it's funny, because on the other Rekrul-thread I said that only some Savior-losses could be blamed on throwing matches and not his entire slump, seeing that most people would bet against him. However, with the possibility of him betting against himself, something that was casually ruled out in the original thread, it puts things into perspect. It was quite funny how I just made it through the list of all of Diggity's commentaries, went back to the top of his uploads list, the most recent ones, watched some matches and ended up watching Best vs Savior in Winners League from the end of Janauary. Here, I just couldn't help thinking how Saviour looked very cold and calculating and at the same time didn't really seem to care. His decision-making was so horrible that I couldn't help constantly thinking that he was doing it on purpose.

My innocence has been ruined! :o

zzangbbangddong

Antigua/Barbuda21 Posts

April 12 2010 00:25 GMT

#252

On April 12 2010 09:23 Tekin wrote:
So does this mean the Flash losing the MSL was a rig match? hmm..

Just cause there are some bad apples doing this doesn't mean EVERY FUCKING GAME has been rigged.

I'm pretty confident that flash wouldn't be involved in something like this.

cujo2k

Canada1044 Posts

April 12 2010 00:30 GMT

#253

So I remember bisu's interview after he 3-0ed savior, and he said that he expected a lot more out of savior than he got. So that probably means he wasn't as dominant in practice as he was in the MSL final, which is pretty sketchy considering how good savior was at the time; I wouldn't be surprised if savior bet against himself to lose 0-3. Yeah, he might've lost the series legitimately, but you have to question such a dominant 3-0.

Tien

Russian Federation4447 Posts

April 12 2010 00:41 GMT

#254

The Bisu build was that good. I don't doubt his ability to 3-0 Savior back then.

It revolutionized Protoss completely.

LuckyFool

United States9015 Posts

April 12 2010 01:13 GMT

#255

yeah but up to that point NOBODY beat Savior. Especially not 3-0 rapes like that was.

late drone reactions, losing to literally the same build 3 times in a row in similar ways... I'm not saying it's impossible but it definitely raises questions that seemingly have no hard answers.

DanceCommander

United States1808 Posts

April 12 2010 01:23 GMT

#256

On April 12 2010 01:12 sixghost wrote:
I love how savior fans are using this to justify every loss he's ever had now.

hahah sixghost being blunt and awesome

zgl

United States1055 Posts

April 12 2010 01:25 GMT

#257

I actually doubt Savior or anybody would bet against themselves. It is more likely that they threw matches in cooperation with the bookies.

If savior bet against himself and threw a match, then the bookies would lose money... and they are usually not the kind of people who would let such things go unnoticed.

Spazer

Canada8031 Posts

April 12 2010 01:29 GMT

#258

On April 12 2010 10:25 zgl wrote:
I actually doubt Savior or anybody would bet against themselves. It is more likely that they threw matches in cooperation with the bookies.

If savior bet against himself and threw a match, then the bookies would lose money... and they are usually not the kind of people who would let such things go unnoticed.

Just because savior's working with one bookie doesn't mean he's working with all of them. In addition, it'd be pretty easy to find a third party who would take your money and place the bet for you.

Tien

Russian Federation4447 Posts

April 12 2010 01:37 GMT

#259

On April 12 2010 10:13 LuckyFool wrote:
yeah but up to that point NOBODY beat Savior. Especially not 3-0 rapes like that was.

late drone reactions, losing to literally the same build 3 times in a row in similar ways... I'm not saying it's impossible but it definitely raises questions that seemingly have no hard answers.

1 week ago you'd be flamed as an idiotic moron.

Now there's no answer really. Did Savior throw that finals? He could have made a ton more money on betting (huge finals, lots of people betting, Savior being the favorite).

But even then. Savior coming off his huge OSL win against Nada. Never having faced such a build before. And Bisu turning out to be the real deal. He could have been completely shell shocked.