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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-31 09:59:06
March 31 2010 09:50 GMT
#1
At first, I'm thinking spoofer, so I do a /whois. He had the account. Then, after game, I decided to check APM. His APM was 282 with terran, and was in the mid 200s with protoss.

All games on Fighting Spirit

I'm not thinking it's really him, as I'm not that amazing and I beat him 3 out of 5 games we played (went 1-2 PvT, and 2-0 ZvP) I know for a fact flash offraces as P sometimes, though, and the APM and build made me believe that even if it's not him, it's worthy of posting the first game we played.

Game 1 was 12 nexus auto win. I went 12 nex into 4 gate with zealot leg speed and trampled him. He had tried to play pretty safe and go 1 factory siege expand i'm pretty sure. He did the common "i'm better than you, so i'm going to play safe" plan B approach that most people do whenever they're cocky.

Game 2 I tried to reaver drop him, and he had excellent micro in not dying, as I went fake cybernetics upgrade on air weapons and he honestly thought I was 1 gate 1 robo... he managed to survive with no engineering bay/starport, just transferring his scvs back between natural and main, and the few scarabs I got off he managed to make buggy. In terms of build order, I really should have won game 2, and it wasn't even the fact that I fucked it up... when I caught flash off guard he was quick to react. I wish I had saved my losses, but I have a bad habit of not saving them.

Game 3 I scouted earlier than I had been... I scouted on 8/9. I scouted him late, and I saw he was going 15 cc ... 1 rax cc.. so i tried the play nony did vs idra in the TSL with the 4 gate (2 in middle of map) goon range -> zealots -> break them, but I fucked it up. As soon as he got siege I typed GG, as I was fucked.

Game 4 I decided I wanted to ZvT for shits and giggles, and go 9 pool speedling. I picked Z. When I picked Z, though, he decided to be protoss. I accidentally started an overlord, and since I wanted to do something off the wall anyways, I decided to do 3 hatch before pool. He scouted the wrong way, so he started a forge + cannons before he saw that he had fucked up. He cancelled his 2nd cannon right as it was about to finish. I got gas and a 4th hatch after my pool, and i proceeded to 5sz6sz7sz8sz and kwanro him.

Game 5 I went Z again, and he picked P again. I tried to 9 pool speedling, but his cannons were up in perfect time. I then tried to prevent his scouting after wasting my lings, but he managed to see my 1 hatch lair and hydralisk den. I was thinking fuck, i'm screwed... then i thought i have a lair, i can just make a spire... 1 hatch mutalisk is so unexpected for people, and i managed to kill a good deal of probes and the cannons he tried to warp in his main as i was picking off probes at his natural with my 3 mutas. i wont go into the game in detail, but since i went muta he proxied sairs... when he went sair i made hydras... when i made hydras he made reaver... i managed to kill his reaver shuttle, and he was trapped on his natural. even though i couldn't keep an overlord alive longer than 30 seconds i managed to win through having 4 bases to his 1.

I have every replay I won, and the 2 I lost were pretty short games (~10 minutes)

http://repdepot.net/replay.php?id=33949

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Poll: Is this really Flash?
(Vote): Yes.
(Vote): No.
(Vote): I didn't watch the replay.

University of Kentucky Basketball #1
exalted
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States3612 Posts
March 31 2010 09:57 GMT
#2
is this blog a troll post because i feel like i'm being trolled
too easy
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-31 10:33:30
March 31 2010 10:03 GMT
#3
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
March 31 2010 10:03 GMT
#4
I am really not trolling, watch the replay.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Amnesia
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3818 Posts
March 31 2010 10:03 GMT
#5
You're pretty bad. What is your rank, C-? Just curious.
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
March 31 2010 10:03 GMT
#6
you really think your d+ skills are enough to take a game off flash?
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
inReacH
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Sweden1612 Posts
March 31 2010 10:05 GMT
#7
Let me answer your question with another question,

Are you the real Bill Murray?
lazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia3119 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-31 11:06:26
March 31 2010 10:05 GMT
#8
DUDE i think that really was flash all the hotkeys and stuff match up omg 12 nex is imba lol BILL MURRAY BEAT FLASH GUYSSSSSSSSSSESSSSSSSS

Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
March 31 2010 10:06 GMT
#9
Yeah... with 12 nexus anything is possible.
I was at C with a positive record the only season I really played more than 10~ games. I probably could be C+/B- before I would get a losing record if I'm in shape. That being said, the games I win I would win against anyone, as I am extremely good at harassing with reavers/dts/proxying/all ins..
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
March 31 2010 10:08 GMT
#10
Wow...12 nex is imba if you can beat Flash...Maybe Blizzard should give BW one last patch before the final transition to SC2...

Kudos man, taking games off Flash like that.
TranslatorBaa!
Amnesia
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3818 Posts
March 31 2010 10:08 GMT
#11
On March 31 2010 19:06 Bill Murray wrote:
Yeah... with 12 nexus anything is possible.
I was at C with a positive record the only season I really played more than 10~ games. I probably could be C+/B- before I would get a losing record if I'm in shape. That being said, the games I win I would win against anyone, as I am extremely good at harassing with reavers/dts/proxying/all ins..

Ya, you're bad.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
March 31 2010 10:09 GMT
#12
my style of play isn't safe, but i win vs. anyone because of it.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
March 31 2010 10:11 GMT
#13
On March 31 2010 19:06 Bill Murray wrote:
Yeah... with 12 nexus anything is possible.
I was at C with a positive record the only season I really played more than 10~ games. I probably could be C+/B- before I would get a losing record if I'm in shape. That being said, the games I win I would win against anyone, as I am extremely good at harassing with reavers/dts/proxying/all ins..


so you have d+ macro then?

so you hit C as in you peaked C by doing all ins and proxies. are you combat ex?
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
AmstAff
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Germany949 Posts
March 31 2010 10:11 GMT
#14
i used 12 nexus often because as a main Terran i knew its annyoing to play against that shit =(
yes you can bunkerrush, but if its succeed you wont be that much ahead but if you fail you can just leave and if you do nothing against it you are behind too =(
after 2 years i reached it = marine icon
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
March 31 2010 10:13 GMT
#15
i wouldn't peak C if I played 400 in a season is what i'm saying.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
March 31 2010 10:15 GMT
#16
i really think it was him, and i feel like it's deja vu all over again.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
March 31 2010 10:16 GMT
#17
On March 31 2010 19:13 Bill Murray wrote:
i wouldn't peak C if I played 400 in a season is what i'm saying.


your a c-/c player tops imo with your play. idk why your so proud of dts and proxies and allins lol
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
March 31 2010 10:19 GMT
#18
is 12 nexus or 3 hatch before pool an all in? When I play people multiple games, I am good at messing with their heads via build orders. I really don't think you've even watched the replay.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Amnesia
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3818 Posts
March 31 2010 10:19 GMT
#19
On March 31 2010 19:16 StorrZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2010 19:13 Bill Murray wrote:
i wouldn't peak C if I played 400 in a season is what i'm saying.


your a d+ player tops imo with your play. idk why your so proud of dts and proxies and allins lol

Fixed.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
March 31 2010 10:20 GMT
#20
I could get past d+ in like 4 hours dude shut up
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
March 31 2010 10:20 GMT
#21
not funny
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Amnesia
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3818 Posts
March 31 2010 10:25 GMT
#22
LOL BUT ITS SO FUNNY. YOU SUCK.
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
March 31 2010 10:25 GMT
#23
Flash uses 3 for his command center
And all is illuminated.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
March 31 2010 10:26 GMT
#24
it's all relative.

how high of a rank does one have to really be before they can take games, or series, off of players of any rank? Also, just because player A can beat player B, that does not mean he can beat player C.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
March 31 2010 10:28 GMT
#25
On March 31 2010 19:19 Bill Murray wrote:
is 12 nexus or 3 hatch before pool an all in? When I play people multiple games, I am good at messing with their heads via build orders. I really don't think you've even watched the replay.


On March 31 2010 19:06 Bill Murray wrote:
Yeah... with 12 nexus anything is possible.
I was at C with a positive record the only season I really played more than 10~ games. I probably could be C+/B- before I would get a losing record if I'm in shape. That being said, the games I win I would win against anyone, as I am extremely good at harassing with reavers/dts/proxying/all ins..



actually i have watched the replay. I'm actually very well known on tl for looking at replays and looking at the hotkeys, doing this tell me who the progamer is. the hotkeys actually matched up with this guy (P)Rock hes a very famous progamer that has trashed players like jaedong
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Amnesia
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3818 Posts
March 31 2010 10:29 GMT
#26
Storr LOL I love you.
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
March 31 2010 10:29 GMT
#27
On March 31 2010 19:26 Bill Murray wrote:
it's all relative.

how high of a rank does one have to really be before they can take games, or series, off of players of any rank? Also, just because player A can beat player B, that does not mean he can beat player C.



lets see. the real flash could kill his first scv, vision you, let you double expand before gates (as toss)

and roll you with mnm
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
March 31 2010 10:30 GMT
#28
yeah ok
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
March 31 2010 10:32 GMT
#29
ok your c- tops really?
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
AmstAff
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Germany949 Posts
March 31 2010 10:34 GMT
#30
On March 31 2010 19:29 StorrZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2010 19:26 Bill Murray wrote:
it's all relative.

how high of a rank does one have to really be before they can take games, or series, off of players of any rank? Also, just because player A can beat player B, that does not mean he can beat player C.



lets see. the real flash could kill his first 5 scvs, vision you, let you double expand before gates (as toss)

and roll you with mnm SCVs only, with just using one hand!


fixed!

seriously we talk about flash!
after 2 years i reached it = marine icon
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
March 31 2010 10:37 GMT
#31
On March 31 2010 19:26 Bill Murray wrote:
it's all relative.

how high of a rank does one have to really be before they can take games, or series, off of players of any rank? Also, just because player A can beat player B, that does not mean he can beat player C.

ROFL, yes it does, it really really does. I'm not sure you understand the magnitude of the rank difference.

That's like saying oh ya nadal can take games off federer but he can't beat some semi pro at the local tennis club i mean it's all relative right

But this is all assuming you're not trolling, which is surely impossible. Oh well
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
March 31 2010 10:42 GMT
#32
how is tennis relative to brood war? it's not.
I start with 4 scvs, how many do you start with?
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
March 31 2010 10:43 GMT
#33
it was an analogy relating to skill mattering in a game

i start with 4 large scvs btw
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
Amnesia
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3818 Posts
March 31 2010 10:44 GMT
#34
On March 31 2010 19:43 Divinek wrote:
it was an analogy relating to skill mattering in a game

i start with 4 large scvs btw

Are they African American?
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
March 31 2010 10:46 GMT
#35
did you watch the replay
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-31 11:01:41
March 31 2010 10:46 GMT
#36
On March 31 2010 19:43 Divinek wrote:
it was an analogy relating to skill mattering in a game

i start with 4 large scvs btw


gotta dumb stuff down for the 12 yr kid here



User was warned for this post.
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
March 31 2010 10:47 GMT
#37
ive been playing SC almost that long.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
omninmo
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
2349 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-31 10:48:45
March 31 2010 10:47 GMT
#38
On March 31 2010 19:15 Bill Murray wrote:
i really think it was him, and i feel like it's deja vu all over again.


kinda like in Groundhog Day?
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
March 31 2010 10:48 GMT
#39
On March 31 2010 19:44 Amnesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2010 19:43 Divinek wrote:
it was an analogy relating to skill mattering in a game

i start with 4 large scvs btw

Are they African American?


Not all of them, i don't like to discriminate
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
Kim_Hyun_Han
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
706 Posts
March 31 2010 10:50 GMT
#40
its not flash
thats me
Amnesia
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3818 Posts
March 31 2010 10:50 GMT
#41
On March 31 2010 19:50 Kim_Hyun_Han wrote:
its not flash
thats me

hahahah
<3
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
March 31 2010 10:51 GMT
#42
On March 31 2010 19:46 Bill Murray wrote:
did you watch the replay


of course i did hes the (P)Rock

legend of starcraft ask anyone, well you should know since you have been playing sc for 12 years durr
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
March 31 2010 10:51 GMT
#43
ok, if it's you, what were our starting positions when we played the protoss and zerg games?
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
inReacH
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Sweden1612 Posts
March 31 2010 10:52 GMT
#44
if you search by.flash on iccup you will see 2 things
1. the guy you played was an american
2. there are 17 other players with 'by.flash' in their name
i really think it was him, and i feel like it's deja vu all over again.
Kim_Hyun_Han
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
706 Posts
March 31 2010 10:52 GMT
#45
On March 31 2010 19:50 Amnesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2010 19:50 Kim_Hyun_Han wrote:
its not flash
thats me

hahahah
<3


ok

but i use flash hotkeys also
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
March 31 2010 10:53 GMT
#46
On March 31 2010 19:52 inReacH wrote:
if you search by.flash on iccup you will see 2 things
1. the guy you played was an american
2. there are 17 other players with 'by.flash' in their name
Show nested quote +
i really think it was him, and i feel like it's deja vu all over again.


game was played on useast
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Amnesia
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3818 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-31 11:00:25
March 31 2010 10:54 GMT
#47
On March 31 2010 19:51 Bill Murray wrote:
ok, if it's you, what were our starting positions when we played the protoss and zerg games?

Either you are
a) a persistent troll (that fails hard at trolling)
or
b) dumbass

Probably both.



User was temp-banned for this post.
kroko
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Finland2136 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-31 11:00:09
March 31 2010 10:55 GMT
#48
[Mod Edit: Don't post meme images]



User was temp-banned for this post.
I have Sick Timing and UnReal Macro
538
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary3932 Posts
March 31 2010 10:57 GMT
#49
An other "did i just play [progamer]?" thread, seriously?
No, you didn't. You're welcome.
BW fighting!
quirinus
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Croatia2489 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-31 10:59:48
March 31 2010 10:57 GMT
#50
Flash would roll you with just 3 starting scvs easily, just as I can roll D/D+ people with my offrace with 3 workers. That's a fact.

EDIT:
On March 31 2010 19:55 kroko wrote:
[Mod Edit: Don't post meme images]


On March 31 2010 19:57 538 wrote:
An other "did i just play [progamer]?" thread, seriously?
No, you didn't. You're welcome.


What they said.
All candles lit within him, and there was purity. | First auto-promoted BW LP editor.
lazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia3119 Posts
March 31 2010 10:59 GMT
#51
large scvs kick ass
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7229 Posts
March 31 2010 11:03 GMT
#52
LOL C player thinking he can beat Flash.
日本語が分かりますか
AmstAff
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Germany949 Posts
March 31 2010 11:06 GMT
#53
i love this blog!
so many warning and bans :O

StorrZerg

but if the game was played on east, it doesnt make sense for me. why should a progamer play on EAST? why not west/iccup/brain like every other korean?
after 2 years i reached it = marine icon
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
March 31 2010 11:08 GMT
#54
On March 31 2010 20:06 MeProU_Kor wrote:
i love this blog!
so many warning and bans :O

StorrZerg

but if the game was played on east, it doesnt make sense for me. why should a progamer play on EAST? why not west/iccup/brain like every other korean?


cause its (P)Rock he does w/e the fuck he wants.


Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43348 Posts
March 31 2010 11:10 GMT
#55
On March 31 2010 19:06 Bill Murray wrote:
Yeah... with 12 nexus anything is possible.
I was at C with a positive record the only season I really played more than 10~ games. I probably could be C+/B- before I would get a losing record if I'm in shape. That being said, the games I win I would win against anyone, as I am extremely good at harassing with reavers/dts/proxying/all ins..

I once got B+ with a half dozen losses but that doesn't make me a progamer. iccup extrapolation is a joke.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
AmstAff
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Germany949 Posts
March 31 2010 11:13 GMT
#56
On March 31 2010 20:10 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2010 19:06 Bill Murray wrote:
Yeah... with 12 nexus anything is possible.
I was at C with a positive record the only season I really played more than 10~ games. I probably could be C+/B- before I would get a losing record if I'm in shape. That being said, the games I win I would win against anyone, as I am extremely good at harassing with reavers/dts/proxying/all ins..

I once got B+ with a half dozen losses but that doesn't make me a progamer. iccup extrapolation is a joke.


but it makes you a good cheeser...
after 2 years i reached it = marine icon
Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
March 31 2010 11:18 GMT
#57
Bill Murray #1 powerrank
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
March 31 2010 11:19 GMT
#58
On March 31 2010 20:18 Frits wrote:
Bill Murray #1 powerrank


over power outage?
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Quesadilla
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1814 Posts
March 31 2010 11:21 GMT
#59
Is this thread real?

And why would Flash play on EAST over ICCup or let me see... the convenience of practice partners or maybe KT?

Whatever the case, good job on your wins. Wins are wins, and good plays are good plays. Don't live off the coattails of a few good games though, go make some more happen.
Make a lot of friends. Wear good clothes. Drink good beer. Love a nice girl.
EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
March 31 2010 11:26 GMT
#60
On March 31 2010 19:57 538 wrote:
An other "did i just play [progamer]?" thread, seriously?
No, you didn't. You're welcome.


Pretty much this. Sorry Bill Murray, you definitely did not play Flash, despite how much I'm sure you would like to be able to say that. In fact, this was probably someone not even remotely close to flash's level.

That doesn't mean you can't still be proud of winning a few games vs someone who could be better than you; hey, it's always good to win.



To the rest of you: Something being so blatently obvious doesn't give a green light to be a bunch've dickheads. We were all new at some point, be respectful.
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