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bubblegumbo
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Taiwan1296 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-21 13:36:50
January 21 2010 08:57 GMT
#21
Which commentator is the one that always curse the winner he predicts?
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stambe
Profile Joined May 2005
Bulgaria492 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-21 09:03:32
January 21 2010 09:02 GMT
#22
On January 21 2010 17:51 Phrogs! wrote:
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On January 21 2010 17:13 motbob wrote:
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Wow, that's an eye-opener, I didn't realize.
Still hoping for the best finals of all time!


Both jaedong and flash said in an interview that player's skill is much more relevant to wining than a map statistic. Add to the fact that some of the maps have a very low game pool and it's a Bo5 where mind games rule your world as Julyzerg him self said after his Golden Mouse win. With jaedong and flash it's one mistake and it's all over so anything can happen.

Still Flash with his incredible form as of late looks to be the favorite but dont count JD out. Hoping for a great games and someone crying again(from joy i mean) :D
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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
January 21 2010 09:04 GMT
#23
ultimatum and oddeye are 3-3, 2-2 tvz if you take out flash's games. dont quote statistics off a sample of 8 fucking games.
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Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
January 21 2010 09:14 GMT
#24
On January 21 2010 18:04 IdrA wrote:
ultimatum and oddeye are 3-3, 2-2 tvz if you take out flash's games. dont quote statistics off a sample of 8 fucking games.

Yeah there's so much talking here about not taking little sample sizes and now ppl are talking about imba with maps that were played only a few times QQ


Plus Match Point seems to be kinda "cursed" map for Flash
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-21 09:19:45
January 21 2010 09:17 GMT
#25
Ugh, no Zerg maps.

edit: But I wouldn't blame too much on the map imbalances if Flash ends up winning anyway. I mean, Flash did end up winning the OSL Finals on Protoss maps.
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spoolinoveryou
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States503 Posts
January 21 2010 09:21 GMT
#26
On January 21 2010 18:04 IdrA wrote:
ultimatum and oddeye are 3-3, 2-2 tvz if you take out flash's games. dont quote statistics off a sample of 8 fucking games.


agreed. it's flash vs jaedong here.. if the map was IMBA i'm sure they can work around it. sheeeesh.
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Mooncat
Profile Joined October 2007
Germany1228 Posts
January 21 2010 09:25 GMT
#27
On January 21 2010 18:04 IdrA wrote:
ultimatum and oddeye are 3-3, 2-2 tvz if you take out flash's games. dont quote statistics off a sample of 8 fucking games.


This basically. I don't think map balance will be an issue between these two.
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SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-21 09:28:35
January 21 2010 09:28 GMT
#28
If anyone thinks map imba wont be an issue he should rewatch Arena MSL finals...
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MoRe_mInErAls
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Canada1210 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-21 09:34:26
January 21 2010 09:34 GMT
#29
No Tiamat = (Z)Jaedong victory. I believe

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Zafrumi
Profile Joined June 2009
Switzerland1272 Posts
January 21 2010 09:38 GMT
#30
i just hope flash doesnt bunker rush 2/3 times in a row :/
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Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
January 21 2010 09:40 GMT
#31
Map racial balance isn't an issue. It's the finals.
oxidized
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States324 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-21 09:54:54
January 21 2010 09:49 GMT
#32
On January 21 2010 17:13 motbob wrote:
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To put this in perspective:

Once you remove Flash's TvZ games from those win percentages, you get:

Match Point: 72.7%
Ultimatum: 50%
Odd-Eye: 50%
Fighting Spirit: 43.7%

Match point is the only one that's still has a shitty record without Flash's games (because he's done the worst on that map).

It's a moot point thought because the sample sizes are too low too mean anything for most of those maps.

edit: beaten by idra:
On January 21 2010 18:04 IdrA wrote:
ultimatum and oddeye are 3-3, 2-2 tvz if you take out flash's games. dont quote statistics off a sample of 8 fucking games.
Kazius
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Israel1456 Posts
January 21 2010 10:27 GMT
#33
To the point about the stats: half the players in the MSL were Zerg. Of course there would be a lot more mediocre Zergs to ruin the stats here... while the few Terrans allowed Flash to skew the stats with his ridiculous play - excluding Match Point and Fighting Spirit which are PL maps as well, and considering Match Point is Flash's kryptonite, I'd say these maps are balanced, if not favoring Jaedong.

BUT, this is Flash we're talking about. I haven't seen a player on such a rampage since Savior. Then again, this is Jaedong. In hardcore rage-mode after their OSL meeting. Of course, Flash is the best Terran, and a victory here will cement his legacy. Well, Jaedong is the best Zerg, and a win here will consolidate his position of the greatest Zerg of all times. Naturally, Flash's TvZ is arguably even better than oov's at his prime, so if anyone can do this, he can. Seriously though, Jaedong has the strongest ZvT, and the most dominant since Yellow.

*head explodes due to awesome*
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dekuschrub
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2069 Posts
January 21 2010 10:36 GMT
#34
hhaha i forgot that the maps were supposedly terran favored

honestly they are decent, and nowhere near as bad as the disaster that was Tiamat LOLOLOL
god that map was shit

old school Col was great though haha oh JD don't try some stupid cheese this time
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3016 Posts
January 21 2010 11:15 GMT
#35
On January 21 2010 17:13 motbob wrote:
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Nice, listing percentages without sample size, or any consideration of who played the games.

I watched most of these games live, so, as an example:

Match Point

Flash > Kwanro, nothing wrong with this result
Baby > Hyun, interesting result but not egregious, two inconsistent players with high potential. Baby went mech and Hyun played pretty brain-dead
Kwanro > Light, ling all in
Zero > Flash, great build and great play by Zero
Light > hero, Muta/Guardian all-in by hero, he knocks Light back to just one base and can't finish the job, blown game by hero
Hyun > Flash, amazing game
Shine > Special, better player won
Iris > hyvaa, I don't remember this game too well but I believe Iris pulled a nice comeback
Flash > Saint, hidden Lurker all in failed
hero > Canata, don't remember this game
fantasy > Calm, long game in which Calm played poorly after getting a huge lead
Hwasin > Shine, don't remember this
fantasy > Hoejja, solid play by fantasy with a great Wraith switch and a Nuke
Ruby > juni
Ruby > shark, nothing wrong with either of these results

That's just one map, but if you look at the game lists (and watch the games) for pretty much each of these maps, none of them is egregious. Slight edge to Terran? Probably. But those statistics you listed are terribly misleading and just plain unhelpful.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66224 Posts
January 21 2010 11:33 GMT
#36
Tiamat was a fucking joke lol
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iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1614 Posts
January 21 2010 11:41 GMT
#37
Jaedong is unpredictible, he can take this, i'm pretty damn sure we'll see flash going for a proxy, hope jaedong will anticipate it.
No coward soul is mine, No trembler in the world's storm-troubled sphere, I see Heaven's glories shine, And Faith shines equal arming me from Fear
PrideNeverDies
Profile Joined July 2009
Kazakhstan74 Posts
January 21 2010 11:50 GMT
#38
will flash cheese jaedong all 3 games or just 2?
stambe
Profile Joined May 2005
Bulgaria492 Posts
January 21 2010 11:57 GMT
#39
On January 21 2010 20:33 konadora wrote:
Tiamat was a fucking joke lol


I dont know why Tiamat get such a hate tbh. I mean it's not a balanced map, but it's aesthetically beautiful map and i've played awesome games on ICCup when they still had it in the maphack.
Valks rulzz
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
January 21 2010 12:53 GMT
#40
On January 21 2010 17:45 MuffinDude wrote:
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On January 21 2010 17:13 motbob wrote:
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Wow. Never knew the maps were this imba.


O_O
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
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