gorush and reach should be capable of taking their games though. A slumping jangbi who has been nothing but mediocre against zerg, and miracle who has horrible standings vs P
On July 07 2009 15:21 konadora wrote: No, I honestly believe it can go 3-0 with ACE winning. Worst case scenario, 3-1 with either Casy or GoRush losing.
On July 07 2009 15:21 konadora wrote: No, I honestly believe it can go 3-0 with ACE winning. Worst case scenario, 3-1 with either Casy or GoRush losing.
Anytime got rolled by Ace of all people in his last PvZ on Destination earlier this week, and PvZ is Great's best matchup. Just introducing some facts to the ACE lovefest .
I'll root for ACE just for the drama and the possibility of an epic choke by Khan who can still lose the PO spot (even if KT isn't really a deserving team). I'm sure Khan practice day and night for these deciding matches though.
On July 07 2009 15:21 konadora wrote: No, I honestly believe it can go 3-0 with ACE winning. Worst case scenario, 3-1 with either Casy or GoRush losing.
I fear for your sanity.
It might be close though.
I'd predict 3-2 Khan tbh
I'd be very surprised if Ace can take it to the ace game. Jangbi can't possibly still suck after January's tantrums. Miracle vs Reach is 50/50 IMO, given Reach's current condition. And FBH/great are both heavy favorites in their games. Both FBH's TvT and great's ZvP right now are REALLY good.
On July 07 2009 16:37 Balfazar wrote: Anytime got rolled by Ace of all people in his last PvZ on Destination earlier this week, and PvZ is Great's best matchup. Just introducing some facts to the ACE lovefest .
Jangbi getting a stargate, warps a cannon at his ramp.
Rush morphing his handful of hydras into lurkers near Janbgi's base. Jangbi has 3 lots and a probe to block. Jangbi morphs a citadel of adun as a corsair flies over to Rush's base to finally see what's up.
On July 07 2009 18:47 Solinren wrote: Jangbi GG's. Muahahah
?!
Oversky went 1 hatch lurker. "Jangbi thought it was coming so he got a cannon on the ramp". But that one single cannon got taken out by 3 lurkers and a dozen of lings. After that Oversky got free reign of Jangbi's main. GG
On July 07 2009 18:47 Solinren wrote: Jangbi GG's. Muahahah
?!
Oversky went 1 hatch lurker. "Jangbi thought it was coming so he got a cannon on the ramp". But that one single cannon got taken out by 3 lurkers and a dozen of lings. After that Oversky got free reign of Jangbi's main. GG
I've always thought ACE should just cheese most of the time, it makes the best use of their micro/experience while negating macro (which is what they tend to lag behind the modern players in), and even if they lost it would be entertaining.
Probe tries to probe Miracle's base, but a marine sends it back. Miracle scouts Reach, sees the nexus and 2 gates at Reach's nat. Assim up for MANTOSS as well.
Miracle expands to his natural as he moves about with mined vults and a single tank. Reach moving around with 1 lot and 4 goons. A robo facility coming for Reach
Miracle his the 2 oclock budding expo from Reach, forces the cancel. reach moves his goons to block the exit out of the northern higher ground. Obs comes for Reach.
2 bults sneak into Mantoss's base, plant some mines. reach goons demolish Miracle's forces up north while Reach loses a goon to mines in his main.
A mass of vults and 2 tanks ferried in via dropper assaults the 2 oclockbase, Reach has more than enough goons tp defend, tho loses some to running into mines.
Archives and stargate to Reach. Miracle moving around with his dropper again. 1 tank and 2 vults in Reach;s main.
Miracle expoes to the 7 base below his nat, gets spotted by a Mantoss obs. Miracle runs a group of vults pass Reach's small goon blockade. Run into another Reach group of goons that are partially cloaked. Arbiters!
Miracle runs his vults to Reach's 12 base, an assload of mines stops the immediete defense of the base. Nexus on fire!
Attack is cleaned up fairly easily, altho Reach loses his nexus due to not having an obs with him to clean out the mines on time.
Miracle turreting and mining up his main in anticipation of recalls. Reach warping in more gates and another nexus at the 1 oclock base, right next to his recently razed expo.
Arbiter flying into the 7 oclock base! Recall forces a CC lift!
Reach runs his recalled force up the side of the map to attack Miracle's natural mineral line! The 1 defending tank is easily stopped by 1 zealot and Miracle has to pull workers. Some goliaths eventualaly drive the arbiter away.
Miracle lands his CC at the 7 base again, his transfered workers are attacked by a handful of surviving goons, but take no sifnificant losses.
Tons of turrets kill the arbiter and a clunky main base combined with a tank and sci vessel stop the recall from doing much more than killing 3 depots.
Reach has 4 bases, his main, nat and 2 and 11. Miracle has 3, his main, nat a 7.
A huge group of tanks at the southern higher ground spots a random arbiter.
Lone arbiter flies into Miracle's nat, HUGE RECALL!
Miracle has nearby siege tanks and a huge group of vults, forces the recalled goons to run up to the higher ground at the nat. Reach runs his forces toward the 7 base thats defended by only 3 tanks.
Miracle expoing to the 6 base, has a screenful of tanks to defend it.
Reach may not be as fast as "modern" progamers, but his play just oozes game understanding. The Mantoss understands what needs to be done - beautiful play.
On July 07 2009 19:24 Tyrio wrote: lmao Miracle with 13489302 turrets in his main. Reach with 3 blink stargates, not sure if I saw the fleet beacon or not. Probably so.
Nah, Reach is just being intelligent, something some of the newer Protoss players fail to do often. He has plenty of gas, why not just add the third Stargate and build a TON of Arbiters and Stasis the hell out of every fight, given Miracle's dwindling Vessel count? And the Recalls, of course.
Not too surprising to see Ace take the first two sets, glad to not be disappointed though. Hopefully they can overcome the challenge these last 2 (or 3) will present and pull off the win here. Ace match if it happens will probably be Xellos vs Stork? Or perhaps Anytime or Reach (or even Daezang) if Xellos isn't confident in his current TvP form.
FBH has now won 9 of his last 10 TvTs, with that one loss to Flash that could have easily gone the other way. If he keeps this up he could become the JD of TvT.
On July 07 2009 20:07 Balfazar wrote: FBH has now won 9 of his last 10 TvTs, with that one loss to Flash that could have easily gone the other way. If he keeps this up he could become the JD of TvT.
Sair gets some scouting done, too many scourge to get any overlord kills in Great's base. Mutas begin to hatch for Great. Anytime making an army of zeal/archon.
Man, even six months ago I would not have guessed that Yellow would be playing so well at this point, while we have seen what, one a Boxer game all this time?!
On July 07 2009 20:41 Itachii wrote: Too bad Stork's sair/reaver is going to rape Yellow, i am sure of this ~.^
shades is no way a sair/reaver map.
doesnt matter, its not like Stork has any PvZ sense at all
You are clueless.
enlighten me
Stork is a top5 PvZer, Yellow today is far from top5 ZvP Also i'd say that Stork is probably the best defender of the modern protosses, which should be a great strength against a player like yellow who probably wont play a standard strat.
Stork getting another gateway and a Termplar Archives. Stork's sair scouts Yellow, sees a Spire and something else but can't see cause Soliren keeps putting stuff on his screen lol.
Yellow morphing another hatch at his nat and a sunken. Scourge hatch to chase sair away.
On July 07 2009 20:41 Itachii wrote: Too bad Stork's sair/reaver is going to rape Yellow, i am sure of this ~.^
shades is no way a sair/reaver map.
doesnt matter, its not like Stork has any PvZ sense at all
You are clueless.
enlighten me
Stork is a top5 PvZer, Yellow today is far from top5 ZvP Also i'd say that Stork is probably the best defender of the modern protosses, which should be a great strength against a player like yellow who probably wont play a standard strat.
On July 07 2009 20:41 Itachii wrote: Too bad Stork's sair/reaver is going to rape Yellow, i am sure of this ~.^
shades is no way a sair/reaver map.
doesnt matter, its not like Stork has any PvZ sense at all
You are clueless.
enlighten me
Stork is a top5 PvZer, Yellow today is far from top5 ZvP Also i'd say that Stork is probably the best defender of the modern protosses, which should be a great strength against a player like yellow who probably wont play a standard strat.
Uh buddy you are a little delusional about Stork's PvZ.
On July 07 2009 20:41 Itachii wrote: Too bad Stork's sair/reaver is going to rape Yellow, i am sure of this ~.^
shades is no way a sair/reaver map.
doesnt matter, its not like Stork has any PvZ sense at all
You are clueless.
enlighten me
Stork is a top5 PvZer, Yellow today is far from top5 ZvP Also i'd say that Stork is probably the best defender of the modern protosses, which should be a great strength against a player like yellow who probably wont play a standard strat.
kal,jangbi,bisu,much,violet?do i need to go on? their vs z is far better than stork's, and they show at least some game sense during late game, while.stork always seems to be lost when game gets into late game. dont call me cluless if you dont know shit.
Yellow hatching hydras now, morphs a ton of sunkens as Stork runs his zeals toward Yellow's third.
Yellow trying to pick off zealots and archons before they get to this 3rd. Nice muta micro lets Yellow hit archons with his mutas without them hitting back. Stork has to retreat.
On July 07 2009 20:41 Itachii wrote: Too bad Stork's sair/reaver is going to rape Yellow, i am sure of this ~.^
shades is no way a sair/reaver map.
doesnt matter, its not like Stork has any PvZ sense at all
You are clueless.
enlighten me
Stork is a top5 PvZer, Yellow today is far from top5 ZvP Also i'd say that Stork is probably the best defender of the modern protosses, which should be a great strength against a player like yellow who probably wont play a standard strat.
no way stork is a top 5 pvz'er today.
He most certainly is with the other dragons in horrible shape. Bisu is a no-brainer as #1. Rest of the guys are not doing well at all.
On July 07 2009 20:41 Itachii wrote: Too bad Stork's sair/reaver is going to rape Yellow, i am sure of this ~.^
shades is no way a sair/reaver map.
doesnt matter, its not like Stork has any PvZ sense at all
You are clueless.
enlighten me
Stork is a top5 PvZer, Yellow today is far from top5 ZvP Also i'd say that Stork is probably the best defender of the modern protosses, which should be a great strength against a player like yellow who probably wont play a standard strat.
kal,jangbi,bisu,much,violet?do i need to go on? their vs z is far better than stork's, and they show at least some game sense during late game, while.stork always seems to be lost when game gets into late game. dont call me cluless if you dont know shit.
Jangbi and Much are blowing up, Violet hasnt shown anything yet.
If you don't understand the matchup, dont comment on it. Great preview on the great-game btw.
On July 07 2009 20:41 Itachii wrote: Too bad Stork's sair/reaver is going to rape Yellow, i am sure of this ~.^
shades is no way a sair/reaver map.
doesnt matter, its not like Stork has any PvZ sense at all
You are clueless.
enlighten me
Stork is a top5 PvZer, Yellow today is far from top5 ZvP Also i'd say that Stork is probably the best defender of the modern protosses, which should be a great strength against a player like yellow who probably wont play a standard strat.
kal,jangbi,bisu,much,violet?do i need to go on? their vs z is far better than stork's, and they show at least some game sense during late game, while.stork always seems to be lost when game gets into late game. dont call me cluless if you dont know shit.
U're wrong, can u read TOP5 pvzer? noone said he's the best, but he's rly good against pvz. And ur last sentence says it all.
On July 07 2009 20:41 Itachii wrote: Too bad Stork's sair/reaver is going to rape Yellow, i am sure of this ~.^
shades is no way a sair/reaver map.
doesnt matter, its not like Stork has any PvZ sense at all
You are clueless.
enlighten me
Stork is a top5 PvZer, Yellow today is far from top5 ZvP Also i'd say that Stork is probably the best defender of the modern protosses, which should be a great strength against a player like yellow who probably wont play a standard strat.
kal,jangbi,bisu,much,violet?do i need to go on? their vs z is far better than stork's, and they show at least some game sense during late game, while.stork always seems to be lost when game gets into late game. dont call me cluless if you dont know shit.
Lol, much takes out the credibility of the the other 4, Much just plain sucks, he even admits his late game is friggin horrible and needs a lot of work, beating lots of shitty Zs to inflate his ELO doesnt make his play less crap, just see his games vs JD and youll see some horrible PvZ. Stork IS top 5 PvZ, find someone to replace Much then your arguement will actually be fair.
On July 07 2009 20:41 Itachii wrote: Too bad Stork's sair/reaver is going to rape Yellow, i am sure of this ~.^
shades is no way a sair/reaver map.
doesnt matter, its not like Stork has any PvZ sense at all
You are clueless.
enlighten me
Stork is a top5 PvZer, Yellow today is far from top5 ZvP Also i'd say that Stork is probably the best defender of the modern protosses, which should be a great strength against a player like yellow who probably wont play a standard strat.
kal,jangbi,bisu,much,violet?do i need to go on? their vs z is far better than stork's, and they show at least some game sense during late game, while.stork always seems to be lost when game gets into late game. dont call me cluless if you dont know shit.
Lol, much takes out the credibility of the the other 4, Much just plain sucks, he even admits his late game is friggin horrible and needs a lot of work, beating lots of shitty Zs to inflate his ELO doesnt make his play less crap, just see his games vs JD and youll see some horrible PvZ. Stork IS top 5 PvZ, find someone to replace Much then your arguement will actually be fair.
free and i also think movie's pvz is top 5, he has given jaedong a run for his money when they play straight up games.
On July 07 2009 20:41 Itachii wrote: Too bad Stork's sair/reaver is going to rape Yellow, i am sure of this ~.^
shades is no way a sair/reaver map.
doesnt matter, its not like Stork has any PvZ sense at all
You are clueless.
enlighten me
Stork is a top5 PvZer, Yellow today is far from top5 ZvP Also i'd say that Stork is probably the best defender of the modern protosses, which should be a great strength against a player like yellow who probably wont play a standard strat.
kal,jangbi,bisu,much,violet?do i need to go on? their vs z is far better than stork's, and they show at least some game sense during late game, while.stork always seems to be lost when game gets into late game. dont call me cluless if you dont know shit.
Jangbi and Much are blowing up, Violet hasnt shown anything yet.
If you don't understand the matchup, dont comment on it. Great preview on the great-game btw.
you've got no arguments, so you just say that i dont understand the matchup.great way to discuss there bud. how about you stay quiet if you dont know what you are talking about, or bring me some examples when stork has shown better PvZ than the guys i mentioned.
YellOw was impatient, he had a great advantage, shoulda retreated to Sunkens and waited for Lurkers before confronting with Hydras, he totally had that D:
On July 07 2009 20:41 Itachii wrote: Too bad Stork's sair/reaver is going to rape Yellow, i am sure of this ~.^
shades is no way a sair/reaver map.
doesnt matter, its not like Stork has any PvZ sense at all
You are clueless.
enlighten me
Stork is a top5 PvZer, Yellow today is far from top5 ZvP Also i'd say that Stork is probably the best defender of the modern protosses, which should be a great strength against a player like yellow who probably wont play a standard strat.
kal,jangbi,bisu,much,violet?do i need to go on? their vs z is far better than stork's, and they show at least some game sense during late game, while.stork always seems to be lost when game gets into late game. dont call me cluless if you dont know shit.
Jangbi and Much are blowing up, Violet hasnt shown anything yet.
If you don't understand the matchup, dont comment on it. Great preview on the great-game btw.
you've got no arguments, so you just say that i dont understand the matchup.great way to discuss there bud. how about you stay quiet if you dont know what you are talking about, or bring me some examples when stork has shown better PvZ than the guys i mentioned.
You don't understand the game so what arguments would help you? Stork has a very different style from for example Kal, true in some nights it might be worse, but he will always bring a solid game, and much like Flash he will beat average progamers (like yellow today) with ease.
Much has never been a good PvZ player, this i can back up with a serious winning record against him.
Jangbi was a better PvZ player then stork 1 year ago, no doubts. Now Jangbi is slumping so hard its depressing.
Kal hasnt been "that" good for at least a year.
Free isn't, hasn't and will never be a top player.
You call me clueless, yet unlike you i have played against most of the players we are discussing in the same matchup.
Wow, that was kind of close series, much more so than I expected. But man Yellow's ZvP game sense is just bad. Suicided his entire army piece-meal into Stork's ball.
On July 07 2009 20:41 Itachii wrote: Too bad Stork's sair/reaver is going to rape Yellow, i am sure of this ~.^
shades is no way a sair/reaver map.
doesnt matter, its not like Stork has any PvZ sense at all
You are clueless.
enlighten me
Stork is a top5 PvZer, Yellow today is far from top5 ZvP Also i'd say that Stork is probably the best defender of the modern protosses, which should be a great strength against a player like yellow who probably wont play a standard strat.
kal,jangbi,bisu,much,violet?do i need to go on? their vs z is far better than stork's, and they show at least some game sense during late game, while.stork always seems to be lost when game gets into late game. dont call me cluless if you dont know shit.
Jangbi and Much are blowing up, Violet hasnt shown anything yet.
If you don't understand the matchup, dont comment on it. Great preview on the great-game btw.
you've got no arguments, so you just say that i dont understand the matchup.great way to discuss there bud. how about you stay quiet if you dont know what you are talking about, or bring me some examples when stork has shown better PvZ than the guys i mentioned.
You don't understand the game so what arguments would help you? Stork has a very different style from for example Kal, true in some nights it might be worse, but he will always bring a solid game, and much like Flash he will beat average progamers (like yellow today) with ease.
Much has never been a good PvZ player, this i can back up with a serious winning record against him.
Jangbi was a better PvZ player then stork 1 year ago, no doubts. Now Jangbi is slumping so hard its depressing.
Kal hasnt been "that" good for at least a year.
Free isn't, hasn't and will never be a top player.
You call me clueless, yet unlike you i have played against most of the players we are discussing in the same matchup.
I think the problem most people have with Stork's PvZ is just it looks so ugly. That, and he's really inconsistent in the matchup. He'd beat Jaedong and July only to lose to type-b and Kwanro.
I do agree that Stork's PvZ is quite good though. As long as he actually prepared and isn't playing half-assed.
Oh man that was very interesting to watch. I maintain my position that FBH's victory echoed through the remaining matches leaving Ace unable to win. Oh FBH, when you tvt it's actually interesting.
Ok enough fanboydribble. Khan is an interesting team in the playoffs in that FBH and Stork and Jangbi are total unknowns right now, and great has been ok. This team is unpredictable and dangerous.
On July 07 2009 21:22 baubo wrote: Wow, that was kind of close series, much more so than I expected. But man Yellow's ZvP game sense is just bad. Suicided his entire army piece-meal into Stork's ball.
doesnt matter, its not like Stork has any PvZ sense at all
You are clueless.
enlighten me
Stork is a top5 PvZer, Yellow today is far from top5 ZvP Also i'd say that Stork is probably the best defender of the modern protosses, which should be a great strength against a player like yellow who probably wont play a standard strat.
kal,jangbi,bisu,much,violet?do i need to go on? their vs z is far better than stork's, and they show at least some game sense during late game, while.stork always seems to be lost when game gets into late game. dont call me cluless if you dont know shit.
Jangbi and Much are blowing up, Violet hasnt shown anything yet.
If you don't understand the matchup, dont comment on it. Great preview on the great-game btw.
you've got no arguments, so you just say that i dont understand the matchup.great way to discuss there bud. how about you stay quiet if you dont know what you are talking about, or bring me some examples when stork has shown better PvZ than the guys i mentioned.
You don't understand the game so what arguments would help you? Stork has a very different style from for example Kal, true in some nights it might be worse, but he will always bring a solid game, and much like Flash he will beat average progamers (like yellow today) with ease.
Much has never been a good PvZ player, this i can back up with a serious winning record against him.
Jangbi was a better PvZ player then stork 1 year ago, no doubts. Now Jangbi is slumping so hard its depressing.
Kal hasnt been "that" good for at least a year.
Free isn't, hasn't and will never be a top player.
You call me clueless, yet unlike you i have played against most of the players we are discussing in the same matchup.
I think the problem most people have with Stork's PvZ is just it looks so ugly. That, and he's really inconsistent in the matchup. He'd beat Jaedong and July only to lose to type-b and Kwanro.
I do agree that Stork's PvZ is quite good though. As long as he actually prepared and isn't playing half-assed.
Well, what most of the fanboys here seem to close their eyes about is that the other mentioned players do that as well.. Free beat jaedong, sure. He also lost 1-2 to Jihyun.
Much hasn't won against a top zerg since in 9 months.
Stork does above average in the late-game, he's got quite good army control which is what's important. He lacks the flair of Nal_rA and he lacks the killer instinct of Jaedong but he's nonetheless no doubt top5 PvZ and top3 Protoss overall - even when he's not in top shape.
On July 07 2009 21:22 baubo wrote: Wow, that was kind of close series, much more so than I expected. But man Yellow's ZvP game sense is just bad. Suicided his entire army piece-meal into Stork's ball.
On July 07 2009 21:06 Dealer wrote:
On July 07 2009 21:00 Itachii wrote:
On July 07 2009 20:56 Dealer wrote:
On July 07 2009 20:54 Itachii wrote:
On July 07 2009 20:51 Dealer wrote:
On July 07 2009 20:48 Itachii wrote:
On July 07 2009 20:46 Dealer wrote:
On July 07 2009 20:43 Itachii wrote: [quote] doesnt matter, its not like Stork has any PvZ sense at all
You are clueless.
enlighten me
Stork is a top5 PvZer, Yellow today is far from top5 ZvP Also i'd say that Stork is probably the best defender of the modern protosses, which should be a great strength against a player like yellow who probably wont play a standard strat.
kal,jangbi,bisu,much,violet?do i need to go on? their vs z is far better than stork's, and they show at least some game sense during late game, while.stork always seems to be lost when game gets into late game. dont call me cluless if you dont know shit.
Jangbi and Much are blowing up, Violet hasnt shown anything yet.
If you don't understand the matchup, dont comment on it. Great preview on the great-game btw.
you've got no arguments, so you just say that i dont understand the matchup.great way to discuss there bud. how about you stay quiet if you dont know what you are talking about, or bring me some examples when stork has shown better PvZ than the guys i mentioned.
You don't understand the game so what arguments would help you? Stork has a very different style from for example Kal, true in some nights it might be worse, but he will always bring a solid game, and much like Flash he will beat average progamers (like yellow today) with ease.
Much has never been a good PvZ player, this i can back up with a serious winning record against him.
Jangbi was a better PvZ player then stork 1 year ago, no doubts. Now Jangbi is slumping so hard its depressing.
Kal hasnt been "that" good for at least a year.
Free isn't, hasn't and will never be a top player.
You call me clueless, yet unlike you i have played against most of the players we are discussing in the same matchup.
I think the problem most people have with Stork's PvZ is just it looks so ugly. That, and he's really inconsistent in the matchup. He'd beat Jaedong and July only to lose to type-b and Kwanro.
I do agree that Stork's PvZ is quite good though. As long as he actually prepared and isn't playing half-assed.
Well, what most of the fanboys here seem to close their eyes about is that the other mentioned players do that as well.. Free beat jaedong, sure. He also lost 1-2 to Jihyun.
Much hasn't won against a top zerg since in 9 months.
Stork does above average in the late-game, he's got quite good army control which is what's important. He lacks the flair of Nal_rA and he lacks the killer instinct of Jaedong but he's nonetheless no doubt top5 PvZ and top3 Protoss overall - even when he's not in top shape.
I guess you're right. I never really thought about how bad the other dragons are doing these days. But indeed no one's doing well PvZ these days besides Bisu. I guess it's because I follow Khan, and Stork is my favorite player in general, makes me more aware of his shortcomings in the matchup more than usual. But in the grand scheme of things, it's not like other protosses don't have these problems too.
And Stork's PvZ style, "macro -> fast 3rd", is probably the most boring style of PvZ in existence.
On July 07 2009 20:41 Itachii wrote: Too bad Stork's sair/reaver is going to rape Yellow, i am sure of this ~.^
shades is no way a sair/reaver map.
doesnt matter, its not like Stork has any PvZ sense at all
You are clueless.
enlighten me
Stork is a top5 PvZer, Yellow today is far from top5 ZvP Also i'd say that Stork is probably the best defender of the modern protosses, which should be a great strength against a player like yellow who probably wont play a standard strat.
kal,jangbi,bisu,much,violet?do i need to go on? their vs z is far better than stork's, and they show at least some game sense during late game, while.stork always seems to be lost when game gets into late game. dont call me cluless if you dont know shit.
Jangbi and Much are blowing up, Violet hasnt shown anything yet.
If you don't understand the matchup, dont comment on it. Great preview on the great-game btw.
you've got no arguments, so you just say that i dont understand the matchup.great way to discuss there bud. how about you stay quiet if you dont know what you are talking about, or bring me some examples when stork has shown better PvZ than the guys i mentioned.
You don't understand the game so what arguments would help you? Stork has a very different style from for example Kal, true in some nights it might be worse, but he will always bring a solid game, and much like Flash he will beat average progamers (like yellow today) with ease.
Much has never been a good PvZ player, this i can back up with a serious winning record against him.
Jangbi was a better PvZ player then stork 1 year ago, no doubts. Now Jangbi is slumping so hard its depressing.
Kal hasnt been "that" good for at least a year.
Free isn't, hasn't and will never be a top player.
You call me clueless, yet unlike you i have played against most of the players we are discussing in the same matchup.
I agree, Stork's vs Z is decent, what do you expect from such experienced and acomplished player.But hes nowhere near as good as you make him look like vs zerg, at late game (that was the whole point of discussion, wasn't it?).His decision making is lacking a lot, thats why he drops games to avarages zergs so easily.What saves him is of course his macro, which enables him to run over most of these zergs, if they play all game long standard.
And talking about top 5 is kinda pointless i think, you can distinguish best PvZer easily (Bisu of course) and maybe 2nd (Kal - as you said - hes not so hot lately as he used to be).But later it all gets tricky, since maps differ form each other so much and overall level is quite similar.
And i wouldnt comment the match-up i dont know shit about, last season it was b- so its not like iam pulling this off from a hat.(holy shit brag) Once again, i started off with saying that Storks game sense vs zergs is bad, and then you called me clueless. Off to dinner.
Nobody except Bisu is going well PvZ these days because of the current/recent map pool. You've got GG and Neo Medusa which majorly favour Z and Heartbreak Ridge which is supposedly P favoured yet Z have more wins on it and it looks even at best. I don't even need to get into details on Tears, Battle Royale and Holy World. I expect this is recognized by the map makers and I expect a shift back towards P in future.
On July 07 2009 15:21 konadora wrote: No, I honestly believe it can go 3-0 with ACE winning. Worst case scenario, 3-1 with either Casy or GoRush losing.
On July 07 2009 15:21 konadora wrote: No, I honestly believe it can go 3-0 with ACE winning. Worst case scenario, 3-1 with either Casy or GoRush losing.
I fear for your sanity.
It might be close though.
I'd predict 3-2 Khan tbh
OH SHIT I CALLED IT NIGGAS
sry man, but this guy definitely called it from LB thread...
Man I woke up just in time to see Reach win and I went to work thinking that everything was good in the world and that ace would have win #10 and I get home and WTF!
Edit: With all this spare time, Flash really has to win at least one individual league.
Poor KT. With that win by Khan they can't advance. Feel sorry for Flash. Reminds me of the Stork v. Free match where Free had to win to keep his team's chances of a playoff hope alive (Back when Woongjin was Hahnbit). Stork ruins every team's playoff bid