RorO<Outsider> Bisu Don't even question this guy's PvZ. Bisu takes this ez. keke<Battle Royal> Hyuk Yes, it's a SKT1 zerg. And they've been on fire lately. Whether Hyuk can produce the same great play he showed last game is still a question, but once can definitely see that there is improvement. BaBy<Destination> Canata Probably the highlight of the night. Canata's TvT. Canata will play TvT on this map for one hour, tiring Baby out and eventually taking the game because Baby collapses due to fatigue. Get ready some popcorns and coke. Pure<Neo Medusa> fantasy Closer <Heartbreak Ridge> Closer WeMade FOX < 0 - 3 > SK Telecom T1
On May 16 2009 06:23 tree.hugger wrote: BaBy v. Canata: After two hours of grueling TvT action, Canata sends his battlecruiser force in for the final kill. Baby has an engineering bay, a command center, three SCVs, and a force of 5 wraiths. With expert micro, he kills off Canata's science vessels when they stray from the fleet. Canata desperately tries to find Baby's two floating buldings as the wraiths slowly but surely kill off the Battlecruisers. With half the BC armada dead, Baby is forced to withdraw and get more energy for his wraiths. In the meantime, Canata finds his CC and kills it. Increasingly desperate, Canata sends random units roaming around the map on the lookout for the renegade engineering bay. The wraiths kill them all, but the EB is found. As the BCs fly in, the now cloaked wraiths hopelessly pound away and the engineering bay makes a very slow escape. As Canata's last battlecruiser (half health) delivers the final blow, and as the engineering bay explodes into oblivion, the television spotter notices a blot in the far corner of the screen. The last battlecruiser dies, and the camera reveals Baby's just-finished supply depot.
Baby sends his wraiths into Canata's undefended base, as the SK Terran has refused to acknowledge his loss and is busy floating his starports around the map. Baby falls asleep on his keyboard, having set one wraith on each starport. The referees search the building for Fantasy and Pure, and find that not only have both of them already played, but that FOX and SKT have also played their next matchup too (Fantasy wins), and that SKT has won 3-1 in that as well. After a discussion with all involved parties, KeSPA disqualifies Canata, and everybody agrees.
Poll: Who are you rooting for? (Vote): WeMade FOX! (Vote): SK Telecom T1!
Poll: Who do you think will win? (Vote): WeMade FOX! (Vote): SK Telecom T1!
Poll: Highlight of today? (SKT1-biased) (Vote): Bisu's PvZ (Vote): SKT1 Zerg (Vote): Canata TvT (Vote): Fantasy's TvP (Vote): Ace match
Poll: If it goes to ace match, what do you want to see? (Vote): Bisu destroying a WeMade player once again (Vote): Baby's TvZ Wraith micro (Vote): TheRock 2 base carrier (Vote): Fantasy's TvZ (Vote): Another Canata TvT (Vote): Nada vs Boxer (Vote): Nada vs oov (Vote): Mind vs Bisu
Bisu should cream roro if the game is standard Keke over Hyuk Baby/Canata is a toss up Pure/Fantasy..prolly fantasy but pure has a fair shot Ace is Mind vs Bisu, no doubt or maybe Baby heh.
Canata actually wins TvTs because his opponents are more concerned with joining the angry mob of fans trying to get in his booth and slit his wrists than playing.
On May 15 2009 14:23 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: Canata actually wins TvTs because his opponents are more concerned with joining the angry mob of fans trying to get in his booth and slit his wrists than playing.
On May 15 2009 20:22 scyper wrote: What is with people and Canata's TvT? Explain?
There was an 30 or 40 minute battle cruiser standoff where he had the superior position but refused to engage, let the map get split, and then both players set the BC's on patrol and sat back. The refs called it a draw.
T1's upcoming matches are too easy. Hard to get excited when we are gonna lolsmash eStro and Fox. I wish we could destroy Khan again, they are the best to smash.
On May 16 2009 03:47 SuperJongMan wrote: T1's upcoming matches are too easy. Hard to get excited when we are gonna lolsmash eStro and Fox. I wish we could destroy Khan again, they are the best to smash.
BaBy v. Canata: After two hours of grueling TvT action, Canata sends his battlecruiser force in for the final kill. Baby has an engineering bay, a command center, three SCVs, and a force of 5 wraiths. With expert micro, he kills off Canata's science vessels when they stray from the fleet. Canata desperately tries to find Baby's two floating buldings as the wraiths slowly but surely kill off the Battlecruisers. With half the BC armada dead, Baby is forced to withdraw and get more energy for his wraiths. In the meantime, Canata finds his CC and kills it. Increasingly desperate, Canata sends random units roaming around the map on the lookout for the renegade engineering bay. The wraiths kill them all, but the EB is found. As the BCs fly in, the now cloaked wraiths hopelessly pound away and the engineering bay makes a very slow escape. As Canata's last battlecruiser (half health) delivers the final blow, and as the engineering bay explodes into oblivion, the television spotter notices a blot in the far corner of the screen. The last battlecruiser dies, and the camera reveals Baby's just-finished supply depot.
Baby sends his wraiths into Canata's undefended base, as the SK Terran has refused to acknowledge his loss and is busy floating his starports around the map. Baby falls asleep on his keyboard, having set one wraith on each starport. The referees search the building for Fantasy and Pure, and find that not only have both of them already played, but that FOX and SKT have also played their next matchup too (Fantasy wins), and that SKT has won 3-1 in that as well. After a discussion with all involved parties, KeSPA disqualifies Canata, and everybody agrees.
On May 16 2009 06:23 tree.hugger wrote: Baby v. Canata: After two hours of grueling TvT action, Canata sends his battlecruiser force in for the final kill. Baby has an engineering bay, a command center, three SCVs, and a force of 5 wraiths. With expert micro, he kills off Canata's science vessels when they stray from the fleet. Canata desperately tries to find Baby's two floating buldings as the wraiths slowly but surely kill off the Battlecruisers. With half the BC armada dead, Baby is forced to withdraw and get more energy for his wraiths. In the meantime, Canata finds his CC and kills it. Increasingly desperate, Canata sends random units roaming around the map on the lookout for the renegade engineering bay. The wraiths kill them all, but the EB is found. As the BCs fly in, the now cloaked wraiths hopelessly pound away and the engineering bay makes a very slow escape. As Canata's last battlecruiser (half health) delivers the final blow, and as the engineering bay explodes into oblivion, the television spotter notices a blot in the far corner of the screen. The last battlecruiser dies, and the camera reveals Baby's just-finished supply depot.
Baby sends his wraiths into Canata's undefended base, as the SK Terran has refused to acknowledge his loss and his busy floating his starports around the map. Baby falls asleep on his keyboard, having set one wraith on each starport. The referees search the building for Fantasy and Pure, and find that not only have both of them already played, but that FOX and SKT have also played their next matchup too (Fantasy wins), and that SKT has won 3-1 in that as well. After a discussion with all involved parties, KeSPA disqualifies Canata, and everybody agrees.
lol I thought this was a summary of a previous game...shows how out of it i am right now
On May 16 2009 06:23 tree.hugger wrote: BaBy v. Canata: After two hours of grueling TvT action, Canata sends his battlecruiser force in for the final kill. Baby has an engineering bay, a command center, three SCVs, and a force of 5 wraiths. With expert micro, he kills off Canata's science vessels when they stray from the fleet. Canata desperately tries to find Baby's two floating buldings as the wraiths slowly but surely kill off the Battlecruisers. With half the BC armada dead, Baby is forced to withdraw and get more energy for his wraiths. In the meantime, Canata finds his CC and kills it. Increasingly desperate, Canata sends random units roaming around the map on the lookout for the renegade engineering bay. The wraiths kill them all, but the EB is found. As the BCs fly in, the now cloaked wraiths hopelessly pound away and the engineering bay makes a very slow escape. As Canata's last battlecruiser (half health) delivers the final blow, and as the engineering bay explodes into oblivion, the television spotter notices a blot in the far corner of the screen. The last battlecruiser dies, and the camera reveals Baby's just-finished supply depot.
Baby sends his wraiths into Canata's undefended base, as the SK Terran has refused to acknowledge his loss and is busy floating his starports around the map. Baby falls asleep on his keyboard, having set one wraith on each starport. The referees search the building for Fantasy and Pure, and find that not only have both of them already played, but that FOX and SKT have also played their next matchup too (Fantasy wins), and that SKT has won 3-1 in that as well. After a discussion with all involved parties, KeSPA disqualifies Canata, and everybody agrees.
Now that's called hype, can't wait for this match.
This should be a fun match. Remember what happened last time Bisu played RorO?
This was the 4set of T1-WeMade from WL, and the last game to complete Bisu's all-kill. What a game...especially the last few minutes. If you are a Bisu fan, you should watch this! The multitask at the end is one of those moments that makes me step back and appreciate how absurdly good professional SC players are.
On May 15 2009 20:22 scyper wrote: What is with people and Canata's TvT? Explain?
There was an 30 or 40 minute battle cruiser standoff where he had the superior position but refused to engage, let the map get split, and then both players set the BC's on patrol and sat back. The refs called it a draw.
Not to mention countless TvTs that were almost an hour with little action.
This was the 4set of T1-WeMade from WL, and the last game to complete Bisu's all-kill. What a game...especially the last few minutes. If you are a Bisu fan, you should watch this! The multitask at the end is one of those moments that makes me step back and appreciate how absurdly good professional SC players are.
On May 16 2009 06:23 tree.hugger wrote: BaBy v. Canata: After two hours of grueling TvT action, Canata sends his battlecruiser force in for the final kill. Baby has an engineering bay, a command center, three SCVs, and a force of 5 wraiths. With expert micro, he kills off Canata's science vessels when they stray from the fleet. Canata desperately tries to find Baby's two floating buldings as the wraiths slowly but surely kill off the Battlecruisers. With half the BC armada dead, Baby is forced to withdraw and get more energy for his wraiths. In the meantime, Canata finds his CC and kills it. Increasingly desperate, Canata sends random units roaming around the map on the lookout for the renegade engineering bay. The wraiths kill them all, but the EB is found. As the BCs fly in, the now cloaked wraiths hopelessly pound away and the engineering bay makes a very slow escape. As Canata's last battlecruiser (half health) delivers the final blow, and as the engineering bay explodes into oblivion, the television spotter notices a blot in the far corner of the screen. The last battlecruiser dies, and the camera reveals Baby's just-finished supply depot.
Baby sends his wraiths into Canata's undefended base, as the SK Terran has refused to acknowledge his loss and is busy floating his starports around the map. Baby falls asleep on his keyboard, having set one wraith on each starport. The referees search the building for Fantasy and Pure, and find that not only have both of them already played, but that FOX and SKT have also played their next matchup too (Fantasy wins), and that SKT has won 3-1 in that as well. After a discussion with all involved parties, KeSPA disqualifies Canata, and everybody agrees.
Man this is going to be so cool. Last time SKT1 played WeMade Bisu walked over then and performed an all-kill. And his game vs roro was one of the easiest he had than.\
I'm predictiing a 3-0 or 3-1 for SKT1, depends if Hyuk decides to win or lose.
On May 16 2009 03:47 SuperJongMan wrote: T1's upcoming matches are too easy. Hard to get excited when we are gonna lolsmash eStro and Fox. I wish we could destroy Khan again, they are the best to smash.
Did you see the maps and matchups of SKT1 vs. eSTRO? I say, eSTRO has a serious chance in every single one of those games.
EDIT: Actually, I just watched the matchups again and fantasy looks like a strong favorite over SangHo. The other 3 matchups in the series look pretty uncertain to me, however.
Saying that they won SKT1 when their zerg line up was weak, but after that suffered a huge blow by losing to the first player (Bisu) in the Winner's League, so they have a lot to pay.
As for SKT1, they have a stronger Zerg line up now, so it will be easy for them.
i find it really funny how the worst/obscure players have some sort of fan base are girls like 'hey i think this guy sucks so i'll cheer for him to be different' or something?
On May 16 2009 13:07 GTR wrote: i find it really funny how the worst/obscure players have some sort of fan base are girls like 'hey i think this guy sucks so i'll cheer for him to be different' or something?
Well there's less competition if you want to date like Shine or whoever. But let's face it, they're only cheering for Shine because he's sitting on the same bench as Nada.
Fun fact. Bisu doesn't care about his main because he's now running around 7 reavers total.
Bisu takes out Roro's third and fourth simultaneously. The only good news for Roro is that Sair-Reaver doesn't really kill people outright, it only kills them over a long, long period of time. Like Bisu is now.
Haha poor lurker micro. It burrowed in cannon's range, then unborrowed and burrowed further away from cannon, but it was still in the range. It died after the second burriw.
On May 16 2009 13:26 hideo wrote: Well looks like 2 gate into sair reaver is the trend on outsider now :|
Stork used the exact same build against Yellow.
I get the sair-reaver part cause the expo placement is almost like an island map, but why the 2gate at start?
maybe becouse you can expand without forge?
Also because 2 gate is strong vs pool first builds without gas, and also pretty strong vs pool\gas builds also since you can take a back expo first after just a few zealots on this map.
Saying that SKT1 is famous from a long time ago in creating economic advantages, like when Terrans used to fake bunker rushes to force zergs to get more lings and sunkens and pull drones. In this case, Bisu forced RorO to get more lings and 2 sunkens, great economic damage.
On May 16 2009 13:35 konadora wrote: Saying that SKT1 is famous from a long time ago in creating economic advantages, like when Terrans used to fake bunker rushes to force zergs to get more lings and sunkens and pull drones. In this case, Bisu forced RorO to get more lings and 2 sunkens, great economic damage.
That's interesting, I didn't notice that. Thanks for the translation.
9 pool gas for both of them. Lings popping for Hyuk, not as many lings popping for Keke. Damn I thought that yHyuk was just going to run by and win right there.
Hyuk just trapped his lings in the middle of the map. Should we be bothered?
I'm going to go die and get reincarnated and have a religion based around me. My followers shall start several large wars. I'll be here for the mid-game, but probably not before then.
They're showing the replay now. Hyuk somehow managed to cycle his mutalisks to make each of keke's scourge hit different targets. This causes the maximum possible hit point damage.
On May 16 2009 13:51 Random_0 wrote: They're showing the replay now. Hyuk somehow managed to cycle his mutalisks to make each of keke's scourge hit different targets. This causes the maximum possible hit point damage.
On May 16 2009 13:50 thunk wrote: I'm going to go die and get reincarnated and have a religion based around me. My followers shall start several large wars. I'll be here for the mid-game, but probably not before then.
On May 16 2009 13:57 iCCup.d(O.o)a wrote: Lol the canata TvT sounds hilarious, did baby REALLY fall asleep at the keyboard? And why didn't he have any turrets?
On May 16 2009 13:57 iCCup.d(O.o)a wrote: Lol the canata TvT sounds hilarious, did baby REALLY fall asleep at the keyboard? And why didn't he have any turrets?
Give up watching today's games, daum sucking balls, other streams are so/so, and my damn box has had issues with Korean channels for the past few months. Oh well just torrent it or stream it from youtube tomorrow.
The yaoyuan TVants stream works perfectly fine except for occasional choppiness and the fact that it's behind by around 10 seconds. It just happened to murder your internet line for other programs sometimes.
Baby is really starting to show confidence. His games in the GomTV tournament have of course been impressive. And now tearing down Canata with ease... definitely one to watch.
I fear fantasy's tvp, especially his vults but Pure has shown some really solid play in the past... just hope for a GG. If I had to wager money.. Fantasy hands down.
If it winds up ACE match... I hope it's Bisu versus BaBy... I would love to see that.
On May 16 2009 14:26 thunk wrote: ex-solider is basically a T1 fan because of Bisu.
yes i am lol.... i hate boxer/oov/fantasy/and especially skt zerg lol
that post is a pure embodiment of evil
how the hell can you not like the emperor
ppl need to open their eyes and really look~ boxer isnt that great.... only reason why he dominated back then was b/c every1 else wasnt that great.... iits not that i HATE boxer~ i just think he is just overrated
On May 16 2009 14:26 thunk wrote: ex-solider is basically a T1 fan because of Bisu.
yes i am lol.... i hate boxer/oov/fantasy/and especially skt zerg lol
that post is a pure embodiment of evil
how the hell can you not like the emperor
ppl need to open their eyes and really look~ boxer isnt that great.... only reason why he dominated back then was b/c every1 else wasnt that great.... iits not that i HATE boxer~ i just think he is just overrated
Players are better now because Boxer reinvented the game.
OK, that was hysterical. Fantasy uses his scouting SCV to stand on the ramp and confuse Pure's goon AI. He then used his first vulture to get 7 probe kills in Pure's back expo while the goon wandered around pure's main.
On May 16 2009 14:26 thunk wrote: ex-solider is basically a T1 fan because of Bisu.
yes i am lol.... i hate boxer/oov/fantasy/and especially skt zerg lol
wow people like you make me sick. why do you like a whole team just because of one player? seriously take that tag off.
On May 16 2009 14:29 thunk wrote: Konadora: You should make a poll and see if we can get the Mod to change the tag to something disgraceful, like eStro or something.
On May 16 2009 14:26 thunk wrote: ex-solider is basically a T1 fan because of Bisu.
yes i am lol.... i hate boxer/oov/fantasy/and especially skt zerg lol
that post is a pure embodiment of evil
how the hell can you not like the emperor
ppl need to open their eyes and really look~ boxer isnt that great.... only reason why he dominated back then was b/c every1 else wasnt that great.... iits not that i HATE boxer~ i just think he is just overrated
Players are better now because Boxer reinvented the game.
he didnt reinvent the game.... he just picked a race no one else used~ bisu is more like the person who reinvented protoss(pvz)
On May 16 2009 14:26 thunk wrote: ex-solider is basically a T1 fan because of Bisu.
yes i am lol.... i hate boxer/oov/fantasy/and especially skt zerg lol
that post is a pure embodiment of evil
how the hell can you not like the emperor
ppl need to open their eyes and really look~ boxer isnt that great.... only reason why he dominated back then was b/c every1 else wasnt that great.... iits not that i HATE boxer~ i just think he is just overrated
Players are better now because Boxer reinvented the game.
he didnt reinvent the game.... he just picked a race no one else used~ bisu is more like the person who reinvented protoss(pvz)
On May 16 2009 14:26 thunk wrote: ex-solider is basically a T1 fan because of Bisu.
yes i am lol.... i hate boxer/oov/fantasy/and especially skt zerg lol
that post is a pure embodiment of evil
how the hell can you not like the emperor
ppl need to open their eyes and really look~ boxer isnt that great.... only reason why he dominated back then was b/c every1 else wasnt that great.... iits not that i HATE boxer~ i just think he is just overrated
Players are better now because Boxer reinvented the game.
he didnt reinvent the game.... he just picked a race no one else used~ bisu is more like the person who reinvented protoss(pvz)
Pure got smart and starting putting cannons in his main. Also note that Fantasy's so busy that he's got like tanks lying all over the place. He is legit.
Macro not like Flash, but almost as cool. Fantasy is rolling into Pur'es base, he needs no buildable center.
On May 16 2009 14:40 thunk wrote: Pure got smart and starting putting cannons in his main. Also note that Fantasy's so busy that he's got like tanks lying all over the place. He is legit.
Macro not like Flash, but almost as cool. Fantasy is rolling into Pur'es base, he needs no buildable center.
On May 16 2009 14:40 thunk wrote: Pure got smart and starting putting cannons in his main. Also note that Fantasy's so busy that he's got like tanks lying all over the place. He is legit.
Macro not like Flash, but almost as cool. Fantasy is rolling into Pur'es base, he needs no buildable center.
No seige mode necessary.
+ he skipped turrets
what a baller
I know. Fantasy knew Pure wouldn't go DT or any sort of harass and it just killed Pure. Pure barely had time to get HTs out (arbs wouldn't have made it in time, respectable decision by Pure) before Fantasy rolled over him. I think Pure could have stalled for a little more time though I think.
On May 16 2009 14:42 PoP wrote: BeSt probably practiced for the ace match.
Yea, SKT1 is probably going to send up Best I'm thinking. Teams have been sending out P's on heartbreak.
But the problem is, SKT1 is notoriously bad at playing mind games in Ace matches. Either 1) Best practiced for a PvP and WeMade's going to send out a Z or 2) SKT1 thinks they think Best's coming so Wemade's going to send out a Z so they're going to send out hyuk or something.
On May 16 2009 14:46 FearDarkness wrote: It seems like the 2nd team is allowed to counter pick... What determines which team sends out their player first? Coin toss?
no they both get a piece of paper and write who will play for their team in the match, then they hand their piece of paper to the referees and go from there.
Shoulda sent Fantasy. Fantasy has arguable a better vT then Bisu in case baby got sent out, and both of them can roll over any vP easy. vZ is questionable for Fantasy, but no Z is really strong enough to take out Fantasy or Bisu
On May 16 2009 14:46 FearDarkness wrote: It seems like the 2nd team is allowed to counter pick... What determines which team sends out their player first? Coin toss?
nah names are written on piece of paper earlier, they cant counter pick
On May 16 2009 14:47 Railz wrote: Shoulda sent Fantasy. Fantasy has arguable a better vT then Bisu in case baby got sent out, and both of them can roll over any vP easy. vZ is questionable for Fantasy, but no Z is really strong enough to take out Fantasy or Bisu
And Heartbreak Ridge is a good map for Mech so Fantasy is pretty much favored in all three MUs.
On May 16 2009 14:48 sidesprang wrote: no matter how much best practice id rather have em send out bisu.
This, BeSt seems so freaking shaky lately, and Bisu's been on the ball. I guess it might've been to raise confidence and they have confidence in BeSt's providence.
On May 16 2009 14:48 sidesprang wrote: no matter how much best practice id rather have em send out bisu.
This, BeSt seems so freaking shaky lately, and Bisu's been on the ball. I guess it might've been to raise confidence and they have confidence in BeSt's providence.
God prove me wrong please.
we are not oz or ktf
we do not rely on one person to win everything. Have faith
On May 16 2009 14:48 sidesprang wrote: no matter how much best practice id rather have em send out bisu.
This, BeSt seems so freaking shaky lately, and Bisu's been on the ball. I guess it might've been to raise confidence and they have confidence in BeSt's providence.
God prove me wrong please.
we are not oz or ktf
we do not rely on one person to win everything. Have faith
On May 16 2009 14:48 sidesprang wrote: no matter how much best practice id rather have em send out bisu.
This, BeSt seems so freaking shaky lately, and Bisu's been on the ball. I guess it might've been to raise confidence and they have confidence in BeSt's providence.
God prove me wrong please.
we are not oz or ktf
we do not rely on one person to win everything. Have faith
ye, and while thats really good. It can be annoying at the same time. especialy when u have bisu for fantasy league
On May 16 2009 14:52 Musoeun wrote: Incidentally, BeSt is undefeated in ace matches this season (4-0). And it's not like his recent showings have been as bad as, say, Jangbi's...
man dont even mention Jangbi, my day started well and now
On May 16 2009 14:48 sidesprang wrote: no matter how much best practice id rather have em send out bisu.
This, BeSt seems so freaking shaky lately, and Bisu's been on the ball. I guess it might've been to raise confidence and they have confidence in BeSt's providence.
God prove me wrong please.
we are not oz or ktf
we do not rely on one person to win everything. Have faith
ye, and while thats really good. It can be annoying at the same time. especialy when u have bisu for fantasy league
Yeah i have bisu as captain on my fpl. Doesn't mean I'm only cheering for him though
On May 16 2009 14:48 sidesprang wrote: no matter how much best practice id rather have em send out bisu.
This, BeSt seems so freaking shaky lately, and Bisu's been on the ball. I guess it might've been to raise confidence and they have confidence in BeSt's providence.
God prove me wrong please.
we are not oz or ktf
we do not rely on one person to win everything. Have faith
ye, and while thats really good. It can be annoying at the same time. especialy when u have bisu for fantasy league
Yeah i have bisu as captain on my fpl. Doesn't mean I'm only cheering for him though
On May 16 2009 14:51 scwizard wrote: BeSt has 70% winrate against protoss. Bisu has 67% or so winrate against protoss.
SK coaches are intelligent.
Fun fact:
Bisu currently is #1 ELO for PvP (2255), and that is also the peak ELO score for PvP. Meaning that if you just judge simply by ELO, Bisu is better than Best right now in PvP, and is also better than Best was in PvP.
1) Konadora, I must admit, speaking Korean is pretty cool though. Seems useful. 2) Fantasy's Bio is pretty bad. you gotta admit. 3) Pure can't find Best's scouting probe.
commentators: T1 coaches knows that bisu would have been the safer decision but he's also aware that best has been known for his pvp in the past, and if best just gets out of his slump T1's future will look even brighter!
On May 16 2009 14:51 scwizard wrote: BeSt has 70% winrate against protoss. Bisu has 67% or so winrate against protoss.
SK coaches are intelligent.
Fun fact:
Bisu currently is #1 ELO for PvP (2255), and that is also the peak ELO score for PvP. Meaning that if you just judge simply by ELO, Bisu is better than Best right now in PvP, and is also better than Best was in PvP.
Current ELO peak in a matchup is probably a better indicator than overall win percentage.
Shit Pure's going for a 4 gate goon break. Scout that shit.
Pure redeems himself, glad to see it. While I dislike the SKT-default at TL, I love Bisu and Fantasy. Just havn't seen Best do much lately... Bisu or Fantasy again woulda been much more solid choices imo.
On May 16 2009 15:12 Rostam wrote: Bisu has lost to 4-gate before too you know..
He also has defeated 4-gate before with pure probes almost.
I dunno what they were thinking, sending out Best.
What else are you supposed to defend a 4 gate with? Your reavers that don't come out yet or your dragoons that are outnumbered? But yeah, Bisu's probes are microed better.
I dont know why BeSt didn't build a pylon at his natural either. That could've saved him. And he insisted on not canceling his nexus, if you're going to fight at the natural, put a pylon please.
On May 16 2009 15:19 Tensai176 wrote: I dont know why BeSt didn't build a pylon at his natural either. That could've saved him. And he insisted on not canceling his nexus, if you're going to fight at the natural, put a pylon please.
I've always hated Best. Him and Jangbi are probably 2 of the most overrated Protoss. Yes, I know that is a pretty harsh statement, but really, after the EVER 08 Summer Finals, he has done literally nothing, can't even win an ace match. He is like 1-3 in ace matches this season.
If he were to cancel the nex he would just be contained by that incredibly small choke from the main to the nat. Much tried to break out so many times, but the nat is just too small to break out from a 4 gate contain with straight goon/zealot.
On May 16 2009 15:20 Railz wrote: I've always hated Best. Him and Jangbi are probably 2 of the most overrated Protoss. Yes, I know that is a pretty harsh statement, but really, after the EVER 08 Summer Finals, he has done literally nothing, can't even win an ace match. He is like 1-3 in ace matches this season.
On May 16 2009 14:52 Musoeun wrote: Incidentally, BeSt is undefeated in ace matches this season (4-0). And it's not like his recent showings have been as bad as, say, Jangbi's...
?!?
Best was 20-6 in the first 2 rounds of proleague this season.
On May 16 2009 15:20 Railz wrote: I've always hated Best. Him and Jangbi are probably 2 of the most overrated Protoss. Yes, I know that is a pretty harsh statement, but really, after the EVER 08 Summer Finals, he has done literally nothing, can't even win an ace match. He is like 1-3 in ace matches this season.
You deserve to choke on your tongue for calling Jangbi overrated.
Yes he's slumping pretty hard right now... but yea who doesn't nowadays.
On May 16 2009 13:57 iCCup.d(O.o)a wrote: Lol the canata TvT sounds hilarious, did baby REALLY fall asleep at the keyboard? And why didn't he have any turrets?
On May 16 2009 15:20 Railz wrote: I've always hated Best. Him and Jangbi are probably 2 of the most overrated Protoss. Yes, I know that is a pretty harsh statement, but really, after the EVER 08 Summer Finals, he has done literally nothing, can't even win an ace match. He is like 1-3 in ace matches this season.
You deserve to choke on your tongue for calling Jangbi overrated.
Yes he's slumping pretty hard right now... but yea who doesn't nowadays.
All things considered, during last season, when Protoss had momentum and the maps (Dragons) Jangbi really didn't do much with it. He got to the MSL finals. Okay, and we all see how the MSL finalist is playing right now. Bisu isn't slumping these days either just for comparison sake
On May 16 2009 14:48 sidesprang wrote: no matter how much best practice id rather have em send out bisu.
This, BeSt seems so freaking shaky lately, and Bisu's been on the ball. I guess it might've been to raise confidence and they have confidence in BeSt's providence.
God prove me wrong please.
we are not oz or ktf
we do not rely on one person to win everything. Have faith
On May 16 2009 14:48 sidesprang wrote: no matter how much best practice id rather have em send out bisu.
This, BeSt seems so freaking shaky lately, and Bisu's been on the ball. I guess it might've been to raise confidence and they have confidence in BeSt's providence.
God prove me wrong please.
we are not oz or ktf
we do not rely on one person to win everything. Have faith
Why Best for ace if there were best PvP right now Bisu and very strong TvP Fantasy? And finally they choosed slumping in all match-ups Best ... who is behind of all this??
just watched the bisu vs roro game. I think KTY is so confident with his PvZ that he just wanted to show what he is actually capable to do in this MU besides his standard shit
On May 16 2009 23:43 Dgtl wrote: Wtf, best get your shit together you are making us look bad. Don't turn SKT1 into a KTF or Oz with only 2 people on their team that can win
I think you should watch the VOD, because I'm pretty sure the story of the game was BeSt played really well but couldn't overcome a bad BO disadvantage.
Still, I agree it's sad to see him losing games these days PL should bring back Colosseum, lol.
On May 16 2009 23:43 Dgtl wrote: Wtf, best get your shit together you are making us look bad. Don't turn SKT1 into a KTF or Oz with only 2 people on their team that can win
Agreeing with JWD. Best played really well, and defended amazingly well with the probes. He even managed to somehow catch up to Pure's army size. But his early economic damage (loss of probes, reduced resource mining, etc) as well as losing his first reaver was too much to overcome, as Pure went 7 gate much faster than Best, and his nat was running much longer than Best's. Pure also had HTs while Best went for Reavers, which is also due to Pure's early economic advantage (faster tech).
Goddamn Canata looks different. I haven't seen him since he was active in proleague a year or two ago. Something must have change about the guy cause he almost looks like a different person.
But good job baby for making an entertaining TvT. I'm beginning to like him more and more.
Its not about BeSt, it's about the SKT1 sending BeSt out. Bisu would've had a better chance, i'm not saying Bisu would've automatically won but his 4-gate defense is solid. BeSt didn't scout after losing his first probe and never even built a pylon >.>.
But honestly, sending out Bisu for ace was the obvious choice, why they had to put their hope in BeSt is beyond me.
so let me get this straight, only the matches won by SKT is recommended? Oh wait, its a SKT1 fan making the op, and we know they never are biased (power rank)
On May 17 2009 06:53 Patrio wrote: so let me get this straight, only the matches won by SKT is recommended? Oh wait, its a SKT1 fan making the op, and we know they never are biased (power rank)
Please explain how the other games come even close in quality to the ones mentioned in the OP.
On May 17 2009 06:53 Patrio wrote: so let me get this straight, only the matches won by SKT is recommended? Oh wait, its a SKT1 fan making the op, and we know they never are biased (power rank)
Please explain how the other games come even close in quality to the ones mentioned in the OP.
please explain how bisus match was recommended? it was a onesided rape with the same build stork did just last week (and it was not recommended, and everyone talked shit about the build)
On May 17 2009 06:53 Patrio wrote: so let me get this straight, only the matches won by SKT is recommended? Oh wait, its a SKT1 fan making the op, and we know they never are biased (power rank)
Look, when it comes down to stuff like writing articles, doing recommendations or showing my views on games, I'm probably one of the least biased people out there. I just didn't think that the other 3 games were that exciting or recommendation-worthy. Game 2 was yet another ZvZ, Game 3 wasn't that exciting at all (horrible play on Canata's part). Maybe the ace match was, but it wasn't that exciting IMO (as a Starcraft fan's point of view. As a SKT1 fan's point of view, it was nerve-wrecking.)
On May 17 2009 06:53 Patrio wrote: so let me get this straight, only the matches won by SKT is recommended? Oh wait, its a SKT1 fan making the op, and we know they never are biased (power rank)
Please explain how the other games come even close in quality to the ones mentioned in the OP.
please explain how bisus match was recommended? it was a onesided rape with great micro, defense and multi-tasking on Bisu's part with the same build stork did just last week (and it was not recommended, and everyone talked shit about the build)
On May 17 2009 06:53 Patrio wrote: so let me get this straight, only the matches won by SKT is recommended? Oh wait, its a SKT1 fan making the op, and we know they never are biased (power rank)
Please explain how the other games come even close in quality to the ones mentioned in the OP.
please explain how bisus match was recommended? it was a onesided rape with great micro, defense and multi-tasking on Bisu's part with the same build stork did just last week (and it was not recommended, and everyone talked shit about the build)
Konadora, look I really appreciate the things you do to this community, but I just found it funny how when Bisu did the same build stork got flamed to death for, it was suddenly a great game. But nevermind, carry on!
Because the way Bisu executed the build and the way Stork executed the build was of different level. Watch both games. Btw I didn't flame Stork, all I said was 'wow, gay build', which I should have said somewhere about Bisu's game yesterday too.
On May 17 2009 06:53 Patrio wrote: so let me get this straight, only the matches won by SKT is recommended? Oh wait, its a SKT1 fan making the op, and we know they never are biased (power rank)
Please explain how the other games come even close in quality to the ones mentioned in the OP.
please explain how bisus match was recommended? it was a onesided rape with great micro, defense and multi-tasking on Bisu's part with the same build stork did just last week (and it was not recommended, and everyone talked shit about the build)
Konadora, look I really appreciate the things you do to this community, but I just found it funny how when Bisu did the same build stork got flamed to death for, it was suddenly a great game. But nevermind, carry on!
keep in mind stork did the build against Yellow which instantly gives him 9000 points on the flame score, no matter how good he actually executed it. But the truth is Bisu made it look waaay better than Stork
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