We're back to a tie score after crushing KTF in a display of true Oz strength, and with that motivation on their side beating Ace should be an absolute cakewalk. Only match in this lineup which doesnt favor Oz is Anytime vs BackHo - which should be tonight's highlight match considering Anytime's trashtalk about his former team's protoss lineup. I dont think it will even get there, predicting that Oz wins 3-0, but if it did there is still nobody on the Air Force that can take JD in an ace match.
-So enough of the Lecaf Terran Zerg line, lets talk about the Protoss line You want my honest opinion? -Yes that would be great Honestly, our protoss line is not good. -Why so? They refuse to learn the old ways. They are too mechanical. They shouldn't rely on their mechanics too much to win the game (he kinda hints that backho's mechanics arent too good to rely on) -Oh go on. Backho, for example is a player who is always in my shadows. Its a real pity because I really like the kid. But the damn kid won't listen to me. He is a great player but because of the trend of new protoss players he eventually screws it all up. He doesn't know what "Timing" means -I agree, alot of protoss players are too 'small minded (소심, if there is a better word in english please tell)' about the timing windows. They get too sensitive about it Yes and hes so stingy about his own style. Wish he would listen to me more -Wow seems like you had high hopes for Backho Even when Backho was taking my spot and I was losing 6 games in a row, NO PROTOSS IN LECAF BEAT ME. I mean I didn't practice for a couple of months. If there is one matchup I actually care about, it is PvP. In PvP I believe even Stork will have a hard time taking a game from me even if we play right now. Backho and every other lecaf protoss have NEVER taken a game from me. This frustrates me but at the same time makes me happy. -What if you meet Lecaf during proleagues? I would hate to fight jaedong, but if I meet Backho I will beat his ass. I even told him "You better practice if you want to beat me in a live match
Well if anytime is that confident, if 1 of the ace guys can win before that match, then we'll most likely have an ace game O.O!!! I always root for the underdogs so gogo ACE :D
On May 08 2009 05:21 Atrioc wrote: -What if you meet Lecaf during proleagues? I would hate to fight jaedong, but if I meet Backho I will beat his ass. I even told him "You better practice if you want to beat me in a live match
Oh god yes. Totally worth the hype. I really hope it gets all the way to 4th set.
wow, after that kind of trash talk I really hope GoRush takes the game against Lomo so we can see Anytime vs. Backho. If anytime wins JD can just clean things up in the ace match
wow nice interview about anytime. I really want to see that match he talked an awful lot of shit. Is that a real interview because usually progamers are soo nice to each other and that is just way too much shit talkin. im hoping oz 3-1 just so i can see anytime vs backho in the battle of lecafs best protoss. Lee Jaedong Fighting!
Actually the entire match up is a toss up. ZvZ is a very unpredictable game and OversKy could take the game from him. GoRush and Anytime has big chances on winning their games, save for Casy though as he will have a hard time with HiyA.
People predicting Oz 3-0 clearly haven't been watching ACE's recent games. I do think Oz is slightly favored here, but if they win it will most likely be 3-2, maybe (small chance) 3-1. There's definitely significant potential for 3-1 ACE as well.
On May 08 2009 06:12 Macavenger wrote: People predicting Oz 3-0 clearly haven't been watching ACE's recent games. I do think Oz is slightly favored here, but if they win it will most likely be 3-2, maybe (small chance) 3-1. There's definitely significant potential for 3-1 ACE as well.
Yeah agreed. I just watched their matches with KTF, eSTRO and WeMade. I immediately noticed that they upped their "star senses".
On May 08 2009 06:11 SuperArc wrote: ZvZ isn't really unpredictable with jaedong playing..., why do people keep saying that?
Yeah. Statistically speaking, Jaedong winning a ZvZ right now is more likely than any progamer winning any matchup ever. Theres a smaller chance of Jaedong losing to Oversky tonight than there was for sAviOr to lose against a P in his prime or iloveoov to lose to a Z in his prime.
On May 08 2009 06:11 SuperArc wrote: ZvZ isn't really unpredictable with jaedong playing..., why do people keep saying that?
Yeah. Statistically speaking, Jaedong winning a ZvZ right now is more likely than any progamer winning any matchup ever. Theres a smaller chance of Jaedong losing to Oversky tonight than there was for sAviOr to lose against a P in his prime or iloveoov to lose to a Z in his prime.
Thats fucking scary.
Dont be ridiculous, go watch some of the previous JD vs OverSky games and talk about small chance again. Maybe JD is 80%+ in ZvZ but all previous encounters between him and oversky were so close. The Legend Killer must watch out. If I must pick a zerg to have a slight chance in taking down JD in Bo5 it will be OverSky. There is much to see behind his stats in this MU, especially when he plays against JD. OverSky just has the right mind set-up to take the mighty tyrant down
On May 08 2009 05:21 Atrioc wrote: BONUS: ANYTIME's ACE INTERVIEW ABOUT BACKHO + Show Spoiler +
-So enough of the Lecaf Terran Zerg line, lets talk about the Protoss line You want my honest opinion? -Yes that would be great Honestly, our protoss line is not good. -Why so? They refuse to learn the old ways. They are too mechanical. They shouldn't rely on their mechanics too much to win the game (he kinda hints that backho's mechanics arent too good to rely on) -Oh go on. Backho, for example is a player who is always in my shadows. Its a real pity because I really like the kid. But the damn kid won't listen to me. He is a great player but because of the trend of new protoss players he eventually screws it all up. He doesn't know what "Timing" means -I agree, alot of protoss players are too 'small minded (소심, if there is a better word in english please tell)' about the timing windows. They get too sensitive about it Yes and hes so stingy about his own style. Wish he would listen to me more -Wow seems like you had high hopes for Backho Even when Backho was taking my spot and I was losing 6 games in a row, NO PROTOSS IN LECAF BEAT ME. I mean I didn't practice for a couple of months. If there is one matchup I actually care about, it is PvP. In PvP I believe even Stork will have a hard time taking a game from me even if we play right now. Backho and every other lecaf protoss have NEVER taken a game from me. This frustrates me but at the same time makes me happy. -What if you meet Lecaf during proleagues? I would hate to fight jaedong, but if I meet Backho I will beat his ass. I even told him "You better practice if you want to beat me in a live match
I'd like to read the whole interview - can you show me the source of this?
the way Anytime demolished Sangho in the last PVP game, this will be exciting. I also remember how badly Backho beat Stork in GOM S2, so I don't think Anytime is completely right about the kid. It's going to be a war!
Jaedong is like 1-5 vs Casy, so an ace match on neo medusa isnt a sure thing. Of course lecaf obviously would know casy would be the only realistic option(heh maybe sunny again, he took jd to the limit), and could send backho, which would be interesting.
I think ACE 3-1 is very likely. Hiya's TvT relies on early aggression and doing heavy damage early or setting up a contain early and I think this is a style casy shouldnt have to much trouble facing, especially into the midgame.
Why the shit would ACE send a Protoss on Neo Medusa...?!
There have been A LOT of protosses playing on neo medusa recently... maybe they've figured out the PvZ issue... (aka don't let the zerg player build a hatchery).
On May 08 2009 08:12 KnightOfNi wrote: There have been A LOT of protosses playing on neo medusa recently... maybe they've figured out the PvZ issue... (aka don't let the zerg player build a hatchery).
Protoss is currently 4-13 against Zerg (wins from free, JangBi, Anytime and Pure) on Neo Medusa.
Also take note that Ace would not risk sending a Protoss (even Anytime) in this map since it would be the deciding game of the whole match.
On May 08 2009 05:21 Atrioc wrote: BONUS: ANYTIME's ACE INTERVIEW ABOUT BACKHO + Show Spoiler +
-So enough of the Lecaf Terran Zerg line, lets talk about the Protoss line You want my honest opinion? -Yes that would be great Honestly, our protoss line is not good. -Why so? They refuse to learn the old ways. They are too mechanical. They shouldn't rely on their mechanics too much to win the game (he kinda hints that backho's mechanics arent too good to rely on) -Oh go on. Backho, for example is a player who is always in my shadows. Its a real pity because I really like the kid. But the damn kid won't listen to me. He is a great player but because of the trend of new protoss players he eventually screws it all up. He doesn't know what "Timing" means -I agree, alot of protoss players are too 'small minded (소심, if there is a better word in english please tell)' about the timing windows. They get too sensitive about it Yes and hes so stingy about his own style. Wish he would listen to me more -Wow seems like you had high hopes for Backho Even when Backho was taking my spot and I was losing 6 games in a row, NO PROTOSS IN LECAF BEAT ME. I mean I didn't practice for a couple of months. If there is one matchup I actually care about, it is PvP. In PvP I believe even Stork will have a hard time taking a game from me even if we play right now. Backho and every other lecaf protoss have NEVER taken a game from me. This frustrates me but at the same time makes me happy. -What if you meet Lecaf during proleagues? I would hate to fight jaedong, but if I meet Backho I will beat his ass. I even told him "You better practice if you want to beat me in a live match
I'd like to read the whole interview - can you show me the source of this?
Why are most people predicting Anytime to beat BackHo? The last Anytime PvP where Anytime won by playing good against a good opponent was months ago (Anytime was just outclassed by sOo in the OSL Offlines too). Meanwhile BackHo almost brought Bisu to his knees on his first game back from his surgery. BackHo *should* obliterate Anytime (although of course, the only games BackHo wins are ones that he shouldn't.)
For the people who are saying that "Jaedong in a ZvZ is a guaranteed win," even though Jaedong is near-invincible in that matchup, keep in mind that Jaedong did drop a game versus Oversky a while back.
ACE doing perfectly and I really want them to win. Especially because this would give Khan more chances to finally catch up. I do think that JD can lose to OversKy. No streaks or stats lasting forever. And after all this talking Anytime must deliver to save his face.
I'm really looking forward to ACE vs Khan - should be epic (Stork vs YellOw, Anytime vs Great, Casy vs FBH)
On May 08 2009 09:52 Jee-Host wrote: ACE doing perfectly and I really want them to win. Especially because this would give Khan more chances to finally catch up. I do think that JD can lose to OversKy. No streaks or stats lasting forever. And after all this talking Anytime must deliver to save his face.
I'm really looking forward to ACE vs Khan - should be epic (Stork vs YellOw, Anytime vs Great, Casy vs FBH)
Stork vs. YellOw is gonna be such a pwnage. stork is gonna steamroll him. i remember watching a show from OGN and stork was talking about how yellow is practicing a lot and he helped him practice plyaing like 30games with him. And the OGNcommentator asked him how many time he lost to yellow. Stork replied, "none"
Look, when OOv talked big saying he'll show everyone how mech's done, he got crushed by zero. Savior, talking big, told people he's invincible to mech; got crushed by upmagic.
Now anytime's talking big. But unlike the other two, anytime is supposed to know what he's talking about, the guy's from Oz. So is he gonna be the first guy to talk the talk and also walk the walk?
On May 08 2009 08:49 SerpentFlame wrote: Why are most people predicting Anytime to beat BackHo? The last Anytime PvP where Anytime won by playing good against a good opponent was months ago (Anytime was just outclassed by sOo in the OSL Offlines too). Meanwhile BackHo almost brought Bisu to his knees on his first game back from his surgery. BackHo *should* obliterate Anytime (although of course, the only games BackHo wins are ones that he shouldn't.)
On May 08 2009 08:49 SerpentFlame wrote: Why are most people predicting Anytime to beat BackHo? The last Anytime PvP where Anytime won by playing good against a good opponent was months ago (Anytime was just outclassed by sOo in the OSL Offlines too). Meanwhile BackHo almost brought Bisu to his knees on his first game back from his surgery. BackHo *should* obliterate Anytime (although of course, the only games BackHo wins are ones that he shouldn't.)
someone hasn't read the op
If this is referring to the trashtalk from anytime to backho, then I'm well aware of its existence. Otherwise, I don't understand what part of the OP i didn't comprehend.
On another note, Gorush is fresh off of impaling some excellent terran players with solid play, and should stand a good chance against Lomo who only has 4 wins this year.
On May 08 2009 08:49 SerpentFlame wrote: Why are most people predicting Anytime to beat BackHo? The last Anytime PvP where Anytime won by playing good against a good opponent was months ago (Anytime was just outclassed by sOo in the OSL Offlines too). Meanwhile BackHo almost brought Bisu to his knees on his first game back from his surgery. BackHo *should* obliterate Anytime (although of course, the only games BackHo wins are ones that he shouldn't.)
someone hasn't read the op
If this is referring to the trashtalk from anytime to backho, then I'm well aware of its existence. Otherwise, I don't understand what part of the OP i didn't comprehend.
On another note, Gorush is fresh off of impaling some excellent terran players with solid play, and should stand a good chance against Lomo who only has 4 wins this year.
Anytime isn't as bad as you think. He might be overrated, but he isn't bad. And you can't expect the top players to win every game, so backho beating top players is like saying hyuk beat [arnc], so definitely hyuk must be better than the other z players [arnc] is better than.
Ace wins 3-2. Honestly, oz 3 - 0 ktf, but ktf suck right now. They are the equivalent of winners league samsung khan. Oz is overrated. They were really good during the winners league, because the format was perfect for oz at that time, because jaedong was just killing everyone. Oz was never like how khan was during round 2 when they were just godly and jaedong is slipping.
On May 08 2009 10:42 .risingdragoon wrote: Look, when OOv talked big saying he'll show everyone how mech's done, he got crushed by zero. Savior, talking big, told people he's invincible to mech; got crushed by upmagic.
Now anytime's talking big. But unlike the other two, anytime is supposed to know what he's talking about, the guy's from Oz. So is he gonna be the first guy to talk the talk and also walk the walk?
On May 08 2009 10:42 .risingdragoon wrote: Look, when OOv talked big saying he'll show everyone how mech's done, he got crushed by zero. Savior, talking big, told people he's invincible to mech; got crushed by upmagic.
Now anytime's talking big. But unlike the other two, anytime is supposed to know what he's talking about, the guy's from Oz. So is he gonna be the first guy to talk the talk and also walk the walk?
That is the question.
didnt sAviOr win 2-1 against Upmagic?
Yes, but risingdragoon won't let those pesky facts stand on the way of his perfect analogy!
Savior vs Upmagic on Carthage was a very good example of Terran Mech getting torn apart.
On May 08 2009 10:42 .risingdragoon wrote: Look, when OOv talked big saying he'll show everyone how mech's done, he got crushed by zero. Savior, talking big, told people he's invincible to mech; got crushed by upmagic.
Now anytime's talking big. But unlike the other two, anytime is supposed to know what he's talking about, the guy's from Oz. So is he gonna be the first guy to talk the talk and also walk the walk?
That is the question.
didnt sAviOr win 2-1 against Upmagic?
He's referring to a Proleague game on Raid Assault that took place shortly after Savior made his "mech builds are no good" remark when he beat Midas. Savior lost that game unceremoniously.
On May 08 2009 08:49 SerpentFlame wrote: Why are most people predicting Anytime to beat BackHo? The last Anytime PvP where Anytime won by playing good against a good opponent was months ago (Anytime was just outclassed by sOo in the OSL Offlines too). Meanwhile BackHo almost brought Bisu to his knees on his first game back from his surgery. BackHo *should* obliterate Anytime (although of course, the only games BackHo wins are ones that he shouldn't.)
someone hasn't read the op
If this is referring to the trashtalk from anytime to backho, then I'm well aware of its existence. Otherwise, I don't understand what part of the OP i didn't comprehend.
On another note, Gorush is fresh off of impaling some excellent terran players with solid play, and should stand a good chance against Lomo who only has 4 wins this year.
Anytime isn't as bad as you think. He might be overrated, but he isn't bad. And you can't expect the top players to win every game, so backho beating top players is like saying hyuk beat [arnc], so definitely hyuk must be better than the other z players [arnc] is better than.
Ace wins 3-2. Honestly, oz 3 - 0 ktf, but ktf suck right now. They are the equivalent of winners league samsung khan. Oz is overrated. They were really good during the winners league, because the format was perfect for oz at that time, because jaedong was just killing everyone. Oz was never like how khan was during round 2 when they were just godly and jaedong is slipping.
How can Oz be overrated when everyone says they lack depth? I think everyone is aware of where Oz stands.
On May 08 2009 06:12 Macavenger wrote: People predicting Oz 3-0 clearly haven't been watching ACE's recent games. I do think Oz is slightly favored here, but if they win it will most likely be 3-2, maybe (small chance) 3-1. There's definitely significant potential for 3-1 ACE as well.
Slightly favored is definitely an understatement and I have been watching ACE's recent games. I'm still rooting for ACE, though.
On May 08 2009 13:48 Avidkeystamper wrote: Oversky's best bet (as with all zergs) is go for a mass zergling strategy to try and finish Jaedong off before mutas come out.
That's like the only way to beat Jaedong, but no one really does that.
On May 08 2009 06:11 SuperArc wrote: ZvZ isn't really unpredictable with jaedong playing..., why do people keep saying that?
Yeah. Statistically speaking, Jaedong winning a ZvZ right now is more likely than any progamer winning any matchup ever. Theres a smaller chance of Jaedong losing to Oversky tonight than there was for sAviOr to lose against a P in his prime or iloveoov to lose to a Z in his prime.
Thats fucking scary.
Dont be ridiculous, go watch some of the previous JD vs OverSky games and talk about small chance again. Maybe JD is 80%+ in ZvZ but all previous encounters between him and oversky were so close. The Legend Killer must watch out. If I must pick a zerg to have a slight chance in taking down JD in Bo5 it will be OverSky. There is much to see behind his stats in this MU, especially when he plays against JD. OverSky just has the right mind set-up to take the mighty tyrant down
A few months ago I would have agreed with you; Oversky has shown in the past that he can take down the Tyrant. However, taking into account his recent play and dismal results I doubt that he can even come close to beating Jaedong now. Oversky just hasn't been showing his trademark solid play which used to make him the backbone of any ACE victory.
However if they are to have any chance of winning, they need to win three games BEFORE the ace match though. Sadly this is very unlikely, because that would involve winning every game that doesn't feature Jaedong.
Could Casy beat HiyA? Odds are pretty fair. Could GoRush beat Lomo? Odds are decent. Could Anytime beat BackHo? It's unlikely but it could happen.
Can OversKy beat Jaedong? No, it's impossible. Can any starcraft player in existence beat Jaedong on Battle Royal at the moment? No, it's extremely unlikely. Oh, they're playing on destination. Scratch that.
So for ACE to win, they need to win the three non Jaedong matches, and the chance of them taking all three of those is very low.
Also, I'd say that Casy and GoRush's game's are tossups, Jaedong has the upper hand against Oversky, and Anytime has the clear advantage over Backho. His PvP is still top-notch. Did you see his game against Sangho?
Even if the match goes to game 5, ACE can still use Casy, and still stand a good chance.
On May 08 2009 15:19 Plutonium wrote: The game's not for another day.
Also, I'd say that Casy and GoRush's game's are tossups, Jaedong has the upper hand against Oversky, and Anytime has the clear advantage over Backho. His PvP is still top-notch. Did you see his game against Sangho?
Even if the match goes to game 5, ACE can still use Casy, and still stand a good chance.
Dude, if you call Jaedong's game a tossup, then every single game of the PL is a tossup.
On May 08 2009 15:24 scwizard wrote: I shouldn't have said that about Anytime.
It's just that he hasn't showed good results lately so...
But yeah, I totally missed the history there.
I also missed his game against SangHo. Yeah, I'll be surprised if Anytime doesn't take the game.
EDIT: I'd also like to point out that I did see his game against tempest...
EDIT: WOAH, no Battle Royal!
I wouldn't put too much stock into the Sangho game. It's PvP, Sangho expanded early, Anytime went for a hanbang. It's impressive, but people severely underestimate Backho's PvP. I think the answer is clear cut, Backho's PvP is better than Anytime's at the moment. Did you see Sangho vs Jaehoon? Same thing happened.
On May 08 2009 15:19 Plutonium wrote: The game's not for another day.
Also, I'd say that Casy and GoRush's game's are tossups, Jaedong has the upper hand against Oversky, and Anytime has the clear advantage over Backho. His PvP is still top-notch. Did you see his game against Sangho?
Even if the match goes to game 5, ACE can still use Casy, and still stand a good chance.
On May 08 2009 15:19 Plutonium wrote: The game's not for another day.
Also, I'd say that Casy and GoRush's game's are tossups, Jaedong has the upper hand against Oversky, and Anytime has the clear advantage over Backho. His PvP is still top-notch. Did you see his game against Sangho?
Even if the match goes to game 5, ACE can still use Casy, and still stand a good chance.
Did you see Casy's last game against Jaedong...
It was pretty sad. Even if I hate to say it.
The ling surround? Ahh well..everyone has bad days
So I've been looking at the OP for a while now (and all the other versions of it that you've posted), but I don't see what the map for the ace match is. It would be really nice if this was included. Having an ace match as Battle Royal is very different than an ace match on Medusa.
EDIT: I know what map it is, but it would be really nice if I didn't have to go look at the calendar to see it.
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On May 09 2009 13:14 Atrioc wrote: lol wait what was TL Calendar wrong?
Can someone confirm its Cloud?
Yeah its Cloud. Both myself (who translates for the sc2gg R&S) and Rainman must have seen ACE, Terran and "xx욱" and automatically assumed Casy, who has the same last syllable to his name, is a terran who also plays on ACE, and is the MUCH more likely person to be playing.
I fucked up, but at least I don't post my translations on TL ^_^.
On May 09 2009 13:33 DoX.) wrote: bad decision making by cloud, ineffective drops, slower expansions, bad macro >=O
That sums it up, though his decision making wasnt that bad to be apparent.
When trying to clear the center of the map, never drop 4 dships worth of units DIRECTLY in front of your opponents sieged tanks where they will just melt
On May 09 2009 13:33 DoX.) wrote: bad decision making by cloud, ineffective drops, slower expansions, bad macro >=O
That sums it up, though his decision making wasnt that bad to be apparent.
When trying to clear the center of the map, never drop 4 dships worth of units DIRECTLY in front of your opponents sieged tanks where they will just melt
No, let's run them through the turrets and goliaths? Your suggestion is a short term solution (breaking the containment) that sacrifices a long term goal (keeping dropships).
On May 09 2009 13:33 DoX.) wrote: bad decision making by cloud, ineffective drops, slower expansions, bad macro >=O
That sums it up, though his decision making wasnt that bad to be apparent.
When trying to clear the center of the map, never drop 4 dships worth of units DIRECTLY in front of your opponents sieged tanks where they will just melt
No, let's run them through the turrets and goliaths? Your suggestion is a short term solution (breaking the containment) that sacrifices a long term goal (keeping dropships).
You're probably right..I wasnt paying attention to the rest of Hiya's contain// either way cloud got cleaned up pretty easy
Saying Oversky defeated Jaedong a year ago, so he still has a chance. Also saying this game will be most important in order for ACE to continue their winning streak.
I'm so paranoid, I'm always scared for Jaedong whenever he's in a ZvZ. I guess I value his 80% win rate too much to see it tarnished. I should really let that feeling go. =/
"NOTE: Due to a mistranslation on the TL-Calendar, the first match was actually CLOUD vs Hiya, rather than Casy vs Hiya." WOW, i was sooo close to getting Casy for my fantasy team cause of Hiyas poor play lately.
commentators: ace's spirit lately has changed~ oversky must nto be too intimidated because their head to heads are only a game difference~ eitehr way, in order to beat hwaseung ace must beat jaedong here! let's go~
MBC : "You can definitely see that Jaedong has gotten away from his April Jinx, since it's May now. Although he lost ZvZ once in April, his skills have not deteriorated."
OMG, it's 2:0 already in OZ favor..... screw this! If Mantoss was playing today, it wouldn't be like this.... none of the players in ACE today have shown their manliness in their matches which is the result of their losses... =(
commentators: wow, it really does seem like jaedong's zerg play is invincible. hwaseung's one-two punch was successful again today with jaedong's win~~ here we go onto the third set~
On May 09 2009 13:43 Avidkeystamper wrote: I'm so paranoid, I'm always scared for Jaedong whenever he's in a ZvZ. I guess I value his 80% win rate too much to see it tarnished. I should really let that feeling go. =/
commentators: there was absolutely nothing oversky could do.. jaedong had amazing micro by surrounding the drones as soon as they hatched and killing them - how do you even do that? then he continued to apply pressure by taking out the spawning pool - once that happened and the lings were upgraded, oversky just had no chance.
On May 09 2009 13:52 Geo.Rion wrote: what was OVersky's mistake? he had luck with the scouting, OS' s build looked good against JD's, how got he overwhelmed this bad?
Jeadong's lings got into Oversky's base before Oversky's ling popped out and Jaedong kept building lings after his initial 6 completed
On May 09 2009 13:52 Geo.Rion wrote: what was OVersky's mistake? he had luck with the scouting, OS' s build looked good against JD's, how got he overwhelmed this bad?
Opening speed first can destroy 12pool expand builds pretty hard.
However, as shown in JD vs Yarnc on Neo Medusa, you can still win even in that terrible situation. =p
On May 09 2009 13:52 Geo.Rion wrote: what was OVersky's mistake? he had luck with the scouting, OS' s build looked good against JD's, how got he overwhelmed this bad?
Opening speed first can destroy 12pool expand builds pretty hard.
However, as shown in JD vs Yarnc on Neo Medusa, you can still win even in that terrible situation. =p
On May 09 2009 13:52 Geo.Rion wrote: what was OVersky's mistake? he had luck with the scouting, OS' s build looked good against JD's, how got he overwhelmed this bad?
Opening speed first can destroy 12pool expand builds pretty hard.
However, as shown in JD vs Yarnc on Neo Medusa, you can still win even in that terrible situation. =p
If you are Jaedong, that is.
Everyone can learn a valuable lesson from that game.
When you have more zerglings, you run away since the other zerg has less zerglings.
Saying GoRush is one of the strongest players in ACE, and that the team has gotten much better after GoRush's entry. Also saying GoRush needs to defeat Lomo by making good use of the map, such as harassing the 'outside' expos.
commentators: though it's true that gorush's enlistment in airforce has definitely lifted the morale of ace, they're down 0-2 and gorush has been on a win streak~ he must continue that here right now
commentators: if gorush goes down, the team goes down ~ he needs to make a 4th set possible. yes, ace's win streak starts with gorush! will gorush be able to stop lomo? or will lomo stop gorush and make a 4th set impossible? stay tuned!
commentators: anytime has a good chance against backho in the 4th set since they were on the same team ~ although teh same can be said for backho. if gorush can just make it possible, then anytime can play in the 4th set, and if anytime wins reach will play and the potential for ace's victory will be even higher therefore gorush must do very well here~
ahahahahah commentators so random. in the middle of talking about lomo's decision one commentator randomly goes, "yes, he is goodlooking isn't he?" haha
On May 09 2009 14:07 Smix wrote: commentators: anytime has a good chance against backho in the 4th set since they were on the same team ~ although teh same can be said for backho. if gorush can just make it possible, then anytime can play in the 4th set, and if anytime wins reach will play and the potential for ace's victory will be even higher therefore gorush must do very well here~
commentators: the fact that gorush is going for fast tech is good. because the multi locations are ideal for early pressure, this is a good idea on his part
commentators: ah, it'd be nicer if the mutas went around in the multis as well but gorush is focusign too hard on harassing inside lomo's base... the mutas need to move around a bit to distract lomo more
commentators: right now it seems gorush is going for hivetech tos wtich into guardians but before that is complete, ti seems likely lomo is going to double his mnm army and move out. although it's true lomo's tech is not that quick and his vessels will be late, if gorush can get out guardians before then that's good but the improtant part is that gorsuh needs to buy more time before lomo pushes out
commentators: gorush needs to buy more time! the greater spire is only just going up. ahh.. lomo's forces are already here. ahh. gorush really needs to take thos tanks out - if the tanks take out all the sunkens he has no chance to the mnm army
why is that no zerg scouts that expo Lomo took in this game as his second? It's not the frist time i see this from Ts and Zergs just dont scout it, even though they 'd need to send their mutas ther to check once
Man, that was close at the end, if GoRush microed a bit better, he might have stalled long enough to get guardians out. He blundered a few times, and that may have cost him the few seconds he needed to morph them.
commentators talking about hwo gorush discovered lomo's mineral multi way too late, and by that time lomo had a large mnm force that wasnt' really affected by gorush's mutas. lomo's timing was great when moving out with his two tanks. the mineral multi was key in producing such a large bionic army so quickly
commentators: also, if he had just taken out the tanks he could've bought more time but he wans't able to do that. lomo effectively stole the timing away from gorush. ahh... because gorush's mutas were out so early if he had just found the mineral multi earlier the result could have been different - gorush must be so disappointed
commentators talking about how when such a 'sudden and quick' attack occurs, most of the cake goes up the nose lolll backho trying to subtly pick his nose
On May 09 2009 14:25 Smix wrote: commentators talking about how when such a 'sudden and quick' attack occurs, most of the cake goes up the nose lolll backho trying to subtly pick his nose
EPT
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