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[OSL] Grand Final - Jaedong v Fantasy - Page 55

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Eternity
Profile Joined October 2002
France69 Posts
April 04 2009 10:04 GMT
#1081
Jaedong played right into Fantasy's hands. Fantasy read the hydra all in coutered appropriately (obviously practiced against it). And then well his trademark valks against mutas. After that Jaedong was just economicly behind.

Great play by Fantasy. Hope it ends in a 3-2 series
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
April 04 2009 10:04 GMT
#1082
On April 04 2009 19:02 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2009 19:01 Shikyo wrote:
On April 04 2009 18:57 Puosu wrote:
On April 04 2009 18:56 Shikyo wrote:
So he won with a creative cheesy build. Let's see if he can do it 2 more times...

jaedongs build was more cheesy than fantasys that game..

I completely disagree, I'm fairly certain he was going for 2 hatch muta.

How the hell was fantasy's build cheesy? Do you know what cheese is?

Jaedong went for a semi all in 6hydra rush off 2 hatch into 2 hatch muta/scourge...

So..I don't really know where you're going with this.

Fantasy simply countered jaedongs cheese for the easy win.

I know my definition for cheesy... it's not the same for cheese. Creative cheesy build to me means that it'll work once or twice but if your opponent is expecting it, it shouldn't work often.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Smix *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States4549 Posts
April 04 2009 10:04 GMT
#1083
announcers: there is the "lee jae dong score". he loses the first game, then wins afterwards. now he will show the REAL jaedong
TranslatorBe an Optimist Prime, Not a Negatron // twitter @smixity
404.Nintu
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1723 Posts
April 04 2009 10:04 GMT
#1084
On April 04 2009 19:03 x89titan wrote:
why was jaedong scared of the first tank? there werent that many rines either so he coulda killed that tank and rines and then win the game

holy fuck you're right.... Dude, fly to korea right now and do courage.
I am not joking.
"So, then did the American yum-yum clown monkey also represent the FCC?"
food
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1951 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-04 10:05:15
April 04 2009 10:04 GMT
#1085
On April 04 2009 19:02 sushiman wrote:
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On April 04 2009 18:59 food wrote:
On April 04 2009 18:58 sushiman wrote:
On April 04 2009 18:56 red.venom wrote:
On April 04 2009 18:54 sushiman wrote:
Why did he feel he should switch to muta? >>


Possibly because he thought Fantasy would play Mech?

Seemed like Jaedong was just an edge of out place the whole game. Hydra build spotted/countered, mutas unable to do damage, lurkers all caught and trapped in center, not prepared at expo and bad nydus placement.

TT oh well


He saw air early on, so he should've been prepared for valks as that's fantasy's signature build.
If he had continued with hydras, he would've probably won.


no, he wouldve faced 3 fac tanks and lost

He had a timing window when fantasy was building eco and investing in valks. The mutas were dead-wrong to counter fantasy, and JD should've known that. He had prepared for the vult/wraith harass, dunno why he didn't take valks into account since fantasy seems to get them every single game.


u failed to notice that fantasy scouted whole base with wraith, this was the only reason he made that wraith while being pressured hardcore with hydra. You think he made useless wraith to help defend vs speed hydra? come on, these things deserve credit and you didnt even notice it.
Can someone ban this guy please? FA?
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66366 Posts
April 04 2009 10:04 GMT
#1086
Talking about LJD score.
OGN: "Jaedong's score is 3-1. He always loses first game, then he'll win. When he loses the first game, he bankais and his power level becomes over nine thousand."
POGGERS
dongfeng
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
731 Posts
April 04 2009 10:04 GMT
#1087
WOW WHAT A GAME
they both looked ultra focused but jedong looked a bit out of his cool during the game
ghostWriter
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3302 Posts
April 04 2009 10:04 GMT
#1088
Jaedong isn't scared of the tank, it's just that he wanted to break the wall and walk in. The tank was baiting the hydras so they would aim for it, at which point fantasy would just bring it out of range, saving precious seconds for him.
Sullifam
Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
7111 Posts
April 04 2009 10:04 GMT
#1089
On April 04 2009 19:04 Sunyveil wrote:
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On April 04 2009 19:03 integral wrote:
valks are so sick vs mutas, I don't see why people didn't use them before

anyone care to give me a history lesson as to why valks were considered bad?


cost a ton, take a lot of tech to get to, and die to two scourge

Mech wasn't as popular so investing in to valks was either too late or too expensive at that point in the game.
jgad
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada899 Posts
April 04 2009 10:05 GMT
#1090
On April 04 2009 19:02 StorZerg wrote:
Wonder who jaedong practiced with out side his team


Think he said Upmagic, Leta, and Flash in an interview.
콩까지마
integral
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3161 Posts
April 04 2009 10:05 GMT
#1091
On April 04 2009 19:04 OSWater wrote:
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On April 04 2009 19:03 integral wrote:
valks are so sick vs mutas, I don't see why people didn't use them before

anyone care to give me a history lesson as to why valks were considered bad?

you see, valks have a female pilot thus they are inherently weaker then most units.

On April 04 2009 19:04 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
Low on hp, High in cost, Driven by women.

hivemind! thanks
nK)Duke
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany936 Posts
April 04 2009 10:05 GMT
#1092
Now, rape mode on gogogo
captainwafflos
Profile Joined February 2009
United States212 Posts
April 04 2009 10:05 GMT
#1093
jesus, my stream was working perfect til my connection flaked and now it's dead after 2sec
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
April 04 2009 10:05 GMT
#1094
On April 04 2009 19:03 spydernoob wrote:
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On April 04 2009 19:03 integral wrote:
valks are so sick vs mutas, I don't see why people didn't use them before

anyone care to give me a history lesson as to why valks were considered bad?

because they cant attack and move, thus are fairly easy to scourge.


Yea , in the past they were almost always scourge sniped almost right away People didnt realy know how to use them correcty and would often leave them away from the marines, relying on turrets only for cover. The mutas would run in , draw the turret fire and the scourge would snipe the valk easily as it would fire its first volley and therefore be unable to move.
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
April 04 2009 10:05 GMT
#1095
Fantasy's build was 100% standard. There was a timing window when his valks were out where he could have killed every overlord on the map thus winning him the game, but he missed it. Still, he was able to pull through with great wraith micro, which saved him the game.
Jaedong is an idiot; the correct counter to fantasy's build was fast broodling. Seriously, I expected more from a player of his caliber.

JUST MY 2 CENTS
brood war for life, brood war forever
Hyperionnn
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Turkey4968 Posts
April 04 2009 10:05 GMT
#1096
How was first game? Wake up recently
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
April 04 2009 10:05 GMT
#1097
On April 04 2009 19:03 x89titan wrote:
why was jaedong scared of the first tank? there werent that many rines either so he coulda killed that tank and rines and then win the game

tanks outrange hydras?
ghostWriter
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3302 Posts
April 04 2009 10:05 GMT
#1098
Valks have insane range though. And their splash damage is pretty good too.
Sullifam
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66366 Posts
April 04 2009 10:06 GMT
#1099
OGN: Fantasy's 3-0 might be possible, but if LJD score were to occur, Jaedong must conquer the map 'Return of the King'!
POGGERS
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
April 04 2009 10:06 GMT
#1100
On April 04 2009 19:05 Crunchums wrote:
Fantasy's build was 100% standard. There was a timing window when his valks were out where he could have killed every overlord on the map thus winning him the game, but he missed it. Still, he was able to pull through with great wraith micro, which saved him the game.
Jaedong is an idiot; the correct counter to fantasy's build was fast broodling. Seriously, I expected more from a player of his caliber.

JUST MY 2 CENTS

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