On March 15 2009 16:05 Tianx wrote:
Luxury tells us that his ZvP is greatly improved.

...I just hope he's not basing that on his games against KTF toss.

Maybe he practiced vs Flash as Toss

SilverSkyLark

Philippines8437 Posts

March 15 2009 07:06 GMT

#1823

On March 15 2009 16:03 Shikyo wrote:

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Hence he wasn't being serious. ...? You just explained it to yourself perfectly and still don't get it?

Now I get it...*face palm*

eatmyshorts5

United States1530 Posts

March 15 2009 07:06 GMT

#1824

On March 15 2009 16:06 Orbifold wrote:

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Don't you mean grammnitacel?

But for real... GO GO GO. Best at 3, Lux at 7.

Wait don't YOU mean grammatical?

Live2Win

United States6657 Posts

March 15 2009 07:07 GMT

#1825

On March 15 2009 16:02 Infinity.SkyLark wrote:

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Was it sarcastic in any degree..? I can't see it...cuz Luxury is the 2nd Best ZvZer..and if T1 sends a Zerg, they'll lose.

I think that was the sarcasm. Sending out a zerg ace against Luxury is somewhat suicide, especially if that ace zerg is Hyuk who's somewhat of a joke.

moriya

United States54 Posts

March 15 2009 07:07 GMT

#1826

Why so many glass boy in SKT1? lol

maareek

United States2042 Posts

March 15 2009 07:07 GMT

#1827

Luxury scouting the right direction, Best the wrong one.

Lebesgue

4542 Posts

March 15 2009 07:07 GMT

#1828

Luxury scouting in the right direction, Best not so much.

Hot_Bid

Braavos36402 Posts

March 15 2009 07:07 GMT

#1829

On March 15 2009 15:58 StylishVODs wrote:

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On March 15 2009 15:38 Hot_Bid wrote:

On March 15 2009 15:33 Shengster wrote:

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On March 15 2009 15:25 Hot_Bid wrote:
i love the fanboys who are like "it's a BO loss"

if someone does 14cc and loses constantly with it, you can't possibly say its a "BO loss" when you're up hugely if the build succeeds. 14cc is just a huge gamble, the risk is built into the build, you can't just be like "oh its lucky that the other player tried to keep me honest" lolol

i love it when 14cc or 14nex dies horribly

BBS is a huge gamble too, I'm not saying it's luck that Fantasy won but it's not the kind of situation where people can just BBS Flash every game and win by default. He made a calculated risk, Fantasy made a calculated risk, Fantasy's happened to pay off while Flash's fucked him over. People are just pretending it's 2008 and saying Flash needs to stop 14ccing, which is just ridiculous because its really not that bad an idea to throw in once in a while in TvT.

I fully agree with this. Fantasy knew the chances of him winning by playing standard were low. His cheese was a calculated risk that paid off.

are you serious? 8 rax in mid in TvT ONLY beats 14cc, not a standard build

Did you read what I wrote? I implied that if Fantasy played FlaSh straight up he would have lost. That's why he decided to cheese; there was a probability that FlaSh would 14cc and he got lucky.

did you read what i wrote?

14cc is far more risky and cheesy than proxy 8 rax in TvT. nothing dies to 8 rax except 14cc, plenty of players have defended 8 rax with standard rax timing, and the 8 rax player is behind. in fact, what's hilarious is if flash played standard, as the better player should do, he would've won not the other way around. its just ironic that you are all pissy at fantasy when it's 100% flash's own fault for losing.

again, to repeat: in TvT, 8 rax is far less risky and cheesy than 14cc.

How can 14cc be more cheesy than 8rax?

8rax beats 1 thing
14cc beats alot of things

hence 8rax is more cheesy.

However i agree that flash shouldn't 14cc when he's the better player. It was stupid of him.

i completely disagree

8 rax is far more adaptable and recoverable into standard play than 14cc is. plenty of players have failed 8 rax and still recovered in TvT, where a 14cc is autoloss. the build thats flexible and survivable against more possibilities in this situation is the less risky/cheesy build.

you realize that 12 hatch hard counters nothing (hence beats 0 things) in ZvT ZvP right? and 4 pool beats 1 thing, that means 12h is more cheesy than 4pool? your logic is seriously flawed.

I think you're misunderstanding me.
with my logic it means that 4 pool is the cheesier build the same way as im implying that 8rax is the cheesier build.

12hatch is economical and only gets autoloss vs a really agressive BBS terran opening.
14cc is economical and only gets autoloss vs a really agressive prox 8rax or prox dualrax terran opening.

are you saying in 9 pool is more cheesy than 3 hatch before pool then? because by your logic that's how it works out