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koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
March 16 2009 23:59 GMT
#2161
How.
TheAZNChineseTiger
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada92 Posts
March 16 2009 23:59 GMT
#2162
lol
flash.............
i was so surprised when he lost
SlayerS_`BoxeR` FTW
StRyKeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States1756 Posts
March 17 2009 00:14 GMT
#2163
someone should keep a count of how many times Flash lost because of 14cc
Ars longa, vita brevis, principia aeturna.
TheAZNChineseTiger
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada92 Posts
March 17 2009 00:28 GMT
#2164
same with firebathero
SlayerS_`BoxeR` FTW
latent
Profile Joined March 2009
United States428 Posts
March 17 2009 00:30 GMT
#2165
Why would Bisu have to move his entire army up the plateau? It's high-ground. And he could easily defend it with a small force. The ramp is what would make it easier. In fact he was doing just that at the end before Hoejja doom dropped. He defended the expansion with archons, HTs, and zealots. If he had secured that spot earlier he would have been able to prevent any flanks, *and* have direct access to the 10 o'clock expansion. Hoejja would have to attack his expansion directly.

Hoejja had been trying to attack Bisu's natural the entire match, but the long thin bridges and reaver/cannons/zeals at Bisu's natural was preventing him from going in. Hoejja had the center the entire game, but he had to doom drop to finish it off. He couldn't attack directly because of those bridges. Watch what happens at 22:00 when Heojja sends a few units to attack a zealot, dragoon, and reaver. Now just imagine what would happen to a group of hydras. For this reason Hoejja never attacked the natural.

Style of play can transcend matchups. One opponent can starve out an enemy who's gained map control by securing as many expansions as possible and defending/harrassing until the enemy is out of resources. This is true of PvP, PvZ, TvT, and TvZ. It plays out differently in each matchup, but the idea is the same. Those bridges and ramps make defending much easier, and legitimize such a strategy.

As for the DTs I mentioned, at 19:50 (Jon747's youtube video) Bisu sent ZEALOTS to the 9 o'clock area to scout for expansions. But he never sent DTs. It always makes sense to keep a DT or two around possible expansion points. The zealots were spotted and picked off immediately. A DT would have been completely hidden. It's something Protoss do very often in PvZ games. If you can delay someone from expanding for 30 seconds, you've made a HUGE difference.

And look, you can't drop effectively if there are sairs to take out some of the overlords. I'm saying that were Bisu to have protected the sairs he built earlier and still had them around, he would have maintained air superiority, been more likely to spot the drop earlier, and been able to deal with it.

And you're right, fanaticist was the one who accused me of always being wrong. I'm sorry about accusing you. But I have studied this map very carefully.
Moo
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
March 17 2009 00:35 GMT
#2166
I'm sorry but you're wrong in almost everything you say. I don't care to argue any further.
TheAZNChineseTiger
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada92 Posts
March 17 2009 01:10 GMT
#2167
ouch
so harsh.........................
SlayerS_`BoxeR` FTW
t_co
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States702 Posts
March 17 2009 01:14 GMT
#2168
On March 17 2009 09:35 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I'm sorry but you're wrong in almost everything you say. I don't care to argue any further.


Let's get Mondi or sth to weigh in on this... or anyone know a good Chinese/Korean zerg?
"Look, don't congratulate us when we buy a company, congratulate us when we sell it. Because any fool can overpay and buy a company, so long as there is money to buy it." --Henry Kravis
TheAZNChineseTiger
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada92 Posts
March 17 2009 01:18 GMT
#2169
lol
latent went on a rant...............
although not everything is trash.............
SlayerS_`BoxeR` FTW
iloahz
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States964 Posts
March 17 2009 01:20 GMT
#2170
lol bisu understands this game billion times better than mondi, so why ask mondi when bisu is the one that was questioned in the first place.
TheAZNChineseTiger
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada92 Posts
March 17 2009 01:24 GMT
#2171
but you have to consider the immense stress on Bisu
it's not easy being number one

plus, he has micro and macro at the same time, so he's bound to make mistakes

lol
hoejja went into the game nice and relaxed cuz no one would expect him to win
but everyone expects Bisu to win
SlayerS_`BoxeR` FTW
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
March 17 2009 01:36 GMT
#2172
Good god.
latent
Profile Joined March 2009
United States428 Posts
March 17 2009 01:36 GMT
#2173
I'd love to get input from someone with experience with the pro scene, like idra or nony.

Zulu, I'm sorry you can't lower your utter and abundant genius self to bestow your knowledge upon a peon like myself.
Moo
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
March 17 2009 01:41 GMT
#2174
input from pro scene:
you're an idiot stop posting
http://www.splitreason.com/product/1152 release the gracken tshirt now available
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44352 Posts
March 17 2009 01:42 GMT
#2175
On March 17 2009 03:16 Fontong wrote:
It' so silly that this guy who attended a class taught by an american thinks he now knows more than koreans that play the game for 10 hours a day and making a living doing it.

The American was a progamer for a while. Had a sponsor and everything. :D
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
RainmanMP
Profile Joined October 2007
United States1699 Posts
March 17 2009 01:43 GMT
#2176
Rofl latent and Zulu epic argument. Its just a game who cares. TvT is the new PvZ?
이영호 FIGHTING! Die Hard KT Rolster and Flash fan.
RainmanMP
Profile Joined October 2007
United States1699 Posts
March 17 2009 01:44 GMT
#2177
On March 17 2009 10:41 IdrA wrote:
input from pro scene:
you're an idiot stop posting


OWNED! Get donged on!
이영호 FIGHTING! Die Hard KT Rolster and Flash fan.
TheAZNChineseTiger
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada92 Posts
March 17 2009 01:46 GMT
#2178
woah
idra just showed up!
SlayerS_`BoxeR` FTW
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
March 17 2009 01:50 GMT
#2179
latent when will you give up.
Peace~
medic27
Profile Joined January 2009
United States135 Posts
March 17 2009 01:52 GMT
#2180
On March 17 2009 10:41 IdrA wrote:
input from pro scene:
you're an idiot stop posting


rofl so owned.
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