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On March 16 2009 04:37 JWD wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2009 04:14 KreaGata wrote:
I always thought fOrGG was at least close to Jaedong, in spite of the MSL win. Yeah, I'm pretty sure there is no evidence of bad blood between fOrGG and his ex-teammates, just between fOrGG and his ex-coach. I mean, fOrGG even said in his interview (upon being traded) that his teammates called him when they found out the news. Sounds like they were on pretty good terms.
That doesn't imply that ALL of his teammates called him (or more specifically, JD).... Pretty big leap to conclude that JD and ForGG were on good terms just from that.
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On March 16 2009 08:27 darktreb wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2009 04:37 JWD wrote:On March 16 2009 04:14 KreaGata wrote:
I always thought fOrGG was at least close to Jaedong, in spite of the MSL win. Yeah, I'm pretty sure there is no evidence of bad blood between fOrGG and his ex-teammates, just between fOrGG and his ex-coach. I mean, fOrGG even said in his interview (upon being traded) that his teammates called him when they found out the news. Sounds like they were on pretty good terms. That doesn't imply that ALL of his teammates called him (or more specifically, JD).... Pretty big leap to conclude that JD and ForGG were on good terms just from that.
1) There's no evidence that JD and fOrGG were on bad terms.
2) See my post on the previous page.
Stork and Jangbi don't hate each other, and neither do Boxer and iloveoov. It's a pretty big leap to conclude there's bad blood between JD and fOrGG, especially since they're both very shy.
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On March 16 2009 08:15 [X]Ken_D wrote:
Hoejja MVP. Hell yeah. An incredible victory for KTF where the number of Flash wins is ZERO!
Does anyone know why do teams send out their best players 1st instead of last?
From my experience, most teams do send them out last. I've barely ever seen Oz starting out with Jaedong for example, or CJ with EffOrt, skyHigh, Iris, or sAviOr. Most of the times you see them go with Nvp, Movie, Kwanro, or Memory first. Although because of CJ's depth you can't really count anyone out. Even those 4 can take games from people, especially Kwanro and Movie.
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It's more fun to think ForGG was secretly jealous of all the fame Jaedong was getting from his wins and attention by the coach. So he practiced his ass off to beat Jaedong in the MSL finals and then was shunned by the rest of his team.
When shortly after he was pushed down the stairs by Jaedong hence his injury by Jaedong (I mean who falls down stairs?). Even when he recovered was prevented from playing many games by an angry coach...
Blasphemy for Oz fans, but it's the speculated truth.
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good games. one complaint though: i don't know if this was mentioned before but did anyone else experience random flickers throughout the games (watched the tlpd vods). they were almost unbearable.
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On March 16 2009 10:02 BlackMagister wrote:
It's more fun to think ForGG was secretly jealous of all the fame Jaedong was getting from his wins and attention by the coach. So he practiced his ass off to beat Jaedong in the MSL finals and then was shunned by the rest of his team.
When shortly after he was pushed down the stairs by Jaedong hence his injury by Jaedong (I mean who falls down stairs?). Even when he recovered was prevented from playing many games by an angry coach...
Blasphemy for Oz fans, but it's the speculated truth.
when did forgg get pushed down the stairs?
And if your talking about Backho why would Jaedong push backho down the stairs?
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I just find the idea hilarious that JD kept pushing his teammates that beat him down the stairs.
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On March 16 2009 06:15 mog87 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2009 06:11 infinity2k9 wrote:
Maybe people can stop going on about luxury not pulling his weight now no, this is not enough but its a start, beating fantasy was clutch, best not so much. He really hasnt pulled his weight for the player hes supposed to be. Hoejja taking out Bisu and Canata was really important, especially Bisu.
Its not that he isnt pulling his weight, clearly its just because hes inconsistent. Look at his games vs fantasy in the individual leagues. He plays as well as he does in WL as in all the other games, which is very good sometimes but still dropping games.
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On March 16 2009 06:34 StarBrift wrote:
Man what an underwhelming match. Bisu, Best and Flash thwarted by cheese. The only good game of the match was Luxury vs Fantasy imo. Some of the rapes were mildy entertaining but the cheese games were horrible.
Btw does anyone remember seing a game where speedling into 2 hatch hydra was actually stopped on Medusa? I've seen a bunch of games with oversafety 4 cannons defense like this one get totally owned and I've seen hungrytoss builds where the corsair comes out in time to spot the hydras but the toss got raped anyway because the 7 or so cannons required toes not spawn in time.
Seriously? I guess your opinion is not suprising from the T1 in your sig but Hoejja vs Bisu was a good game. It wasn't decided by the mineral jump at all, Bisu was definitely still in it. But Hoejja defended the harass very well and kept Bisu from expanding so thats what won the game not 'cheese'.
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On March 16 2009 10:45 infinity2k9 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2009 06:34 StarBrift wrote:
Man what an underwhelming match. Bisu, Best and Flash thwarted by cheese. The only good game of the match was Luxury vs Fantasy imo. Some of the rapes were mildy entertaining but the cheese games were horrible.
Btw does anyone remember seing a game where speedling into 2 hatch hydra was actually stopped on Medusa? I've seen a bunch of games with oversafety 4 cannons defense like this one get totally owned and I've seen hungrytoss builds where the corsair comes out in time to spot the hydras but the toss got raped anyway because the 7 or so cannons required toes not spawn in time. Seriously? I guess your opinion is not suprising from the T1 in your sig but Hoejja vs Bisu was a good game. It wasn't decided by the mineral jump at all, Bisu was definitely still in it. But Hoejja defended the harass very well and kept Bisu from expanding so thats what won the game not 'cheese'.
Although it wasn't decided by the mineral jump at all, that 'cheese' affected the game.
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Now we have an explanation for the "amazing" comeback JD did against Lomo in GOM. Lomo was just scared JD will hurt him! Such terrible things must have happened in Oz house, ForGG is probably lucky to espace with his bare life from that place...
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Wow, totally forgot about this. And if Backho somehow gets traded later, we can see even a more concrete trend. 
On March 16 2009 10:45 infinity2k9 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2009 06:34 StarBrift wrote:
Man what an underwhelming match. Bisu, Best and Flash thwarted by cheese. The only good game of the match was Luxury vs Fantasy imo. Some of the rapes were mildy entertaining but the cheese games were horrible.
Btw does anyone remember seing a game where speedling into 2 hatch hydra was actually stopped on Medusa? I've seen a bunch of games with oversafety 4 cannons defense like this one get totally owned and I've seen hungrytoss builds where the corsair comes out in time to spot the hydras but the toss got raped anyway because the 7 or so cannons required toes not spawn in time. Seriously? I guess your opinion is not suprising from the T1 in your sig but Hoejja vs Bisu was a good game. It wasn't decided by the mineral jump at all, Bisu was definitely still in it. But Hoejja defended the harass very well and kept Bisu from expanding so thats what won the game not 'cheese'.
Are you kidding me? Hoejja got 8 speedlings into Bisu's main base! It's pretty clear that it had a huge impact on the ensuing game.
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I wonder how much Bisu and other progamers watch games from other players. I could see Hoejja doing the same build as the Anytime game a million miles away, but Bisu seemed completely unprepared. You'd think he would have suspected it.
Hell, even Anytime had a cannon warping in his main even though it was unheard of before that.
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On March 16 2009 10:43 infinity2k9 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2009 06:15 mog87 wrote:On March 16 2009 06:11 infinity2k9 wrote:
Maybe people can stop going on about luxury not pulling his weight now no, this is not enough but its a start, beating fantasy was clutch, best not so much. He really hasnt pulled his weight for the player hes supposed to be. Hoejja taking out Bisu and Canata was really important, especially Bisu. Its not that he isnt pulling his weight, clearly its just because hes inconsistent. Look at his games vs fantasy in the individual leagues. He plays as well as he does in WL as in all the other games, which is very good sometimes but still dropping games.
Some of his games a pretty uninspiring.. and he had the same thing going in proleague. Im saying he has to do alot more, more often, but with forgg and shine on the roster surely one other person will get a win.
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On March 16 2009 12:03 mog87 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2009 10:43 infinity2k9 wrote:On March 16 2009 06:15 mog87 wrote:On March 16 2009 06:11 infinity2k9 wrote:
Maybe people can stop going on about luxury not pulling his weight now no, this is not enough but its a start, beating fantasy was clutch, best not so much. He really hasnt pulled his weight for the player hes supposed to be. Hoejja taking out Bisu and Canata was really important, especially Bisu. Its not that he isnt pulling his weight, clearly its just because hes inconsistent. Look at his games vs fantasy in the individual leagues. He plays as well as he does in WL as in all the other games, which is very good sometimes but still dropping games. Some of his games a pretty uninspiring.. and he had the same thing going in proleague. Im saying he has to do alot more, more often, but with forgg and shine on the roster surely one other person will get a win.
lol how did Shine make it in there, the guy hasn't made a single appearance for KTF yet! I agree with your point, though.
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On March 16 2009 11:30 baubo wrote:
Are you kidding me? Hoejja got 8 speedlings into Bisu's main base! It's pretty clear that it had a huge impact on the ensuing game.
I don't think it was a huge impact. The damage done wasn't really enough for it to effect the outcome of the game too much.. it was the ineffective harass that set him behind then just good play by Hoejja to keep him from expoing.
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yeah
although those lings did a ton of damage, it wasn't the crippling blow
hoejja's late-game macro was just too good............
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The ling trick put Hoejja well in the lead. Bisu's harass wasn't good enough to get him back into the game. Hoejja played well to hold on to his advantage until the end.
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the lings did a shitload of damage, they killed what like 8 probes, made bisu put down 2 (3?) cannons, and the killed a few zealots
the only chance bisu had was to cripple hoejja with harass, and though he killed a hatchery and a lot of drones and prevented mining for like a minute, it wasn't quite enough - that tells you how far behind he was
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