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On March 01 2009 04:01 mog87 wrote:
Simple.. Jangbi= better player, Jangbi PvZ= okay/somewhere between good and average, Luxury's ZvP=average at best, thus it is easy to see why Jangbi is the favorite. And as other's point out Jangbi has been hot lately, well hes been hot for like a year now, and Luxury eh..not really but I guess hes still in both starleagues, but I guess its easier when you dont have to carry a team (poor Flash), which coincidentally is what Jangbi is doing these days, since FBH is slumping, and Stork concentrating on his starleague matches.
I went off on a tangent but Id predict 3-1 for Jangbi, or Nada, or whoever the hell luxury is playing next.
wait
8-2 in his last 10 ZvPs is average at best, in an era where protoss has been dominating?
wut
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Russian Federation1208 Posts
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Yay, 2 for 2
And more Zergs = win
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On March 01 2009 04:19 Sunyveil wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2009 04:01 mog87 wrote:
Simple.. Jangbi= better player, Jangbi PvZ= okay/somewhere between good and average, Luxury's ZvP=average at best, thus it is easy to see why Jangbi is the favorite. And as other's point out Jangbi has been hot lately, well hes been hot for like a year now, and Luxury eh..not really but I guess hes still in both starleagues, but I guess its easier when you dont have to carry a team (poor Flash), which coincidentally is what Jangbi is doing these days, since FBH is slumping, and Stork concentrating on his starleague matches.
I went off on a tangent but Id predict 3-1 for Jangbi, or Nada, or whoever the hell luxury is playing next. wait 8-2 in his last 10 ZvPs is average at best, in an era where protoss has been dominating? wut
who were the opponents?
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On March 01 2009 05:38 iloveHieu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2009 04:19 Sunyveil wrote:On March 01 2009 04:01 mog87 wrote:
Simple.. Jangbi= better player, Jangbi PvZ= okay/somewhere between good and average, Luxury's ZvP=average at best, thus it is easy to see why Jangbi is the favorite. And as other's point out Jangbi has been hot lately, well hes been hot for like a year now, and Luxury eh..not really but I guess hes still in both starleagues, but I guess its easier when you dont have to carry a team (poor Flash), which coincidentally is what Jangbi is doing these days, since FBH is slumping, and Stork concentrating on his starleague matches.
I went off on a tangent but Id predict 3-1 for Jangbi, or Nada, or whoever the hell luxury is playing next. wait 8-2 in his last 10 ZvPs is average at best, in an era where protoss has been dominating? wut who were the opponents?
Well let me take a look here, he has 2 wins and 1 loss against Kal. Thats pretty good. A win against Jangbi, thats impressive. Same with a win against Stork. A win against Bisu, however it must be noted he 5 pooled this game. A loss against Best, which isn't terrible. And 2 wins against Yoonjong and a win against Jaehoon. So 5-2 against the dragons and 3-0 against weaker players.
The TLPD is a nice feature to look this stuff up.
How has Jangbi done in his last 10 vs Z? He is 6-4 and has a lost to Luxury himself. He couldn't even beat Yarnc his usual whipping boy. He has some decent wins, such as Zero and Effort, but its not like he beat Jaedong or July recently.
So honestly looking at these statistics who the hell has Jangbi beaten recently and who were his opponents? Luxury is in the ro8 in boths leagues, but unlike Stork he is looking solid in all 3 matchups and playing very well. In my opinion, the people who come into this thread and just claim he is bad and zvp and Jangbi is a better player without giving any backup are grossly underestimating his skill.
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I'm very impressed with Luxury (KTF_Practice)! He's supposedly not quite as good as Jaedong, but he's into the semi-finals in the MSL and into the quarter-finals in OSL. While his technique and APM < Jaedong perhaps, but he showed amazing tenacity (comeback in game 4 while in a bad position and down 2-1), and also craftiness (completely faked out Leta with his Hydra Den to Spire to Mutas trick).
Go Luxury!
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Wow firts zerg after Savior which could make in 2 leagues. OSL Ro8 and MSL semis !
Gratz
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On March 01 2009 04:39 Bifur wrote:
Leta is overrated Flash fans say Leta is overrated.
Leta fans don't care.
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oh yeah leta loses 
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United States12607 Posts
I just watched this entire series and I have to say, though it was five games and the momentum shifted back and forth many times, this match was pretty garbage. Sets 2 and 3 were decided by pathetic play from one or the other player, and none of sets 1, 4, or 5 produced any exciting lategame ZvT. As a viewer, I was disappointed.
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On March 01 2009 07:01 Zozma wrote:Flash fans say Leta is overrated. Leta fans don't care.
I love Flash and am indifferent to Leta, but I think Leta is approximately properly rated now that he's actually had to play top players in league situations (instead of Proleague romping which means nothing).
Leta was briefly overrated because of his great record (classic example of focusing too much on the stats) and PR #1. He's now shown that he is definitely a top 3 Terran along with Flash and probably ForGG, and that he has the balls to make headway in the Starleagues. He stole a BO3 from Flash in brilliant fashion and arguably should have beaten Lux in this series.
I don't see Leta overtaking Flash (my bias is probably clouding this opinion a little bit, though Flash's raw talent seems very difficult to definitively surpass) but he looks like the first legitimate candidate to be consistently the "#2 Terran" for a long time (Mind, ForGG, FBH, Fantasy, etc., have all had their moments in this spot over the past year or so). I think Leta's going to be very good for a very long time.
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United States10328 Posts
luxuryyyyyyyyyy! avenge your teammate hell yes
even though I like leta but dammit he cheesed flash
what is slightly more unfortunate though is now leta's out of both leagues  oh well this one was karma, the other one was FAIL
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The games are kind of weak. 3 wins from 3 all ins. If I am Leta, I would be pissed too.
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I would feel pretty retarded too if I made two bunkers to deter lurkers but mutalisks flew into my main.
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On February 28 2009 19:09 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 19:05 CDRdude wrote:On February 28 2009 19:04 Shikyo wrote:
Wow, Luxury sure played terribly. Did you miss the economy damage he took from the wraiths? He was forced into hydras because he didn't know what leta was doing, just that he has a lot of wraiths. 3rax mnm is the standard after a 2 port wraith. Those scourge made no sense to me. He made the hydra den but got no hydras. He tried to break Leta instead of concentrating on his economy, and he didn't have enough overlords with him during the break. He also tried it again instead of powering drones. Etc.
Those sourgess are defense against wraiths and for scouting purposes.
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Wow... I turned this off and went to bed after set 3 because Leta was just completely outplaying Luxury. And the cameras on leta after set2 were hilarious lol
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Zerg vs Protoss finals, I can't wait. Better than seeing the same PvP finals over and over again.
Luxury played great winning with more than just mechanics. 5 pool on an obvious early mech build. Lurker allin knowing he was going to lose if he didn't. 2 hatch lurker fake to muta. He deserves to advance over Zero.
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Yea hes 8-2 in his last zvp, but 8 of them were played over a month ago. Beating Stork...isnt exactly the most telling of his zvp skills, and 5 pooling Bisu..meh. His ZvP still isnt great and that fact remains...compounding those other issues makes Jangbi the favorite, no one is saying luxury has 0% chance.
And please enlighten me, because I suck at this game, how this godly player luxury was able to 5 pool an obviously early mech build...because zerg starts his pool at 5, at which point terran hasnt even a barracks. I dunno sounds like you are giving him too credit..especially for a 5 pool. And I dont see how gimmicky builds make one more deserving to advance then a straight up player. Personally, I think if you fool someone, then clearly they can lose, but if you can dictate the game regardless of the opponents awareness then you are more likely to win, as you cant fool the opponent every time. Therefore solid play is more important in the long run.
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