EPTAh I'm always so frustrated by his performance in the early stage of the tournaments, as rule he is auto semifinalists once he advances from his group or so but KTY is starting his tournaments soo difficult
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disciple
9070 Posts
Ah I'm always so frustrated by his performance in the early stage of the tournaments, as rule he is auto semifinalists once he advances from his group or so but KTY is starting his tournaments soo difficult | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On January 09 2009 20:44 Lachrymose wrote: right, because PvZ was so balanced in the days before forge fe. Is it the Z's fault that the Protoss weren't smart enough to Forge FE? =D | ||
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poilord
Germany3252 Posts
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fearus
China2164 Posts
On January 09 2009 20:45 MrHoon wrote: Not me, I am celebrating because I am fans of  Flash  Jaedong and firebatheroAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA .....  *goes back to slitting wrist* | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27154 Posts
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erin[go]bragh
United States815 Posts
He just didn't play well. Hero played fantastically and rightfully earned his spot. I don't want to sound like a blind Bisu fanboy (I'm not) but haters are going to be quick to jump on this, and they shouldn't get their hopes up. None of Starcraft's most dominant players have ever been simultaneously dominating in three starleauges + progleague. 64.56% /= 100%. Even Jaedong doesn't win every single ZvZ he plays, even if we expect him to. He played bad tonight but IMO it doesn't mean anything. Expect him to continue to have a commanding presence in MSL/GOM/Proleague. | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36379 Posts
i'm not saying hero didn't play well, because he did, and for all we know even if bisu played his best he might have lost, but the reason it seemed so rape was because it was a combination of hero playing great and bisu playing poorly. | ||
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darktreb
United States3016 Posts
On January 09 2009 20:44 Rostam wrote: Yeah really. By.hero is in both leagues now (his MSL group is Much, Upmagic, YarnC) so I'm a bit curious to see how he does as the tournaments progress. Wow, I didn't realize that - it's pretty impressive. There's a reasonable (though not strong) chance that Hero actually ends up being the ONLY Zerg to get to RO16 of both leagues! JD will probably do it, but seeing as how he would have to beat two of FBH/Flash/Hwasin, hasn't even officially qualified for OSL RO16, and needs to play two matches to get into OSL, it's no sure thing! Some other Zergs have a chance too. EDIT: Sorry I was unclear. I meant Hero had a chance to be the only Zerg player to simultaneously qualify for both MSL and OSL rounds of 16. | ||
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Lachrymose
Australia1928 Posts
On January 09 2009 20:46 Shikyo wrote: Is it the Z's fault that the Protoss weren't smart enough to Forge FE? =D You can't forge fe on all maps, especially older ones. Encouraging map makers to make maps you can't forge fe on to help PvZ balance is what isn't smart. | ||
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traced
1739 Posts
it makes no difference how well hero played or not, if bisu played competently, let alone like bisu, those situations could not have happened. just retarded games i need to sleep this off | ||
MrHoon
10183 Posts
There are 2 stacked generators (4 total) which is slower than some maps which have 3-4 mineral patches. He should've seen it coming. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On January 09 2009 20:50 darktreb wrote: Wow, I didn't realize that - it's pretty impressive. There's a reasonable (though not strong) chance that Hero actually ends up being the ONLY Zerg to get to RO16 of both leagues! JD will probably do it, but seeing as how he would have to beat two of FBH/Flash/Hwasin, hasn't even officially qualified for OSL RO16, and needs to play two matches to get into OSL, it's no sure thing! Some other Zergs have a chance too. Ummm.. at least one Zerg is going to go through Group A, since there's 3 Z's in there. I expect Jaedong to get through his group, although it wouldn't be anything new if he got owned by some cheese. Yarnc should have a decent chance as well, but I'm thinking that UpMagiC will advance. He beat much really bad, and his mech is really strong against Z. But I'm hoping that hero is able to overcome it, he seems to be a pretty smart player. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36379 Posts
On January 09 2009 20:50 darktreb wrote: Wow, I didn't realize that - it's pretty impressive. There's a reasonable (though not strong) chance that Hero actually ends up being the ONLY Zerg to get to RO16 of both leagues! JD will probably do it, but seeing as how he would have to beat two of FBH/Flash/Hwasin, hasn't even officially qualified for OSL RO16, and needs to play two matches to get into OSL, it's no sure thing! Some other Zergs have a chance too. 1. GGPlay is already seeded into OSL Ro16 2. Luxury, Yarnc, July, and Jaedong, the four best Zergs at the moment (aside from Effort) have yet to play their groups. You have to figure at least one of them makes it through. 3. MSL Ro16 is way too far off to be predicting whether one player is the only one to make it through, the racial distribution of 14/8/8 makes it really unlikely one race gets shut out. 4. MSL Ro32 Group A has three Zergs in it, one of Savior / Zero / Magma will make it. | ||
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economist_
Vietnam719 Posts
On January 09 2009 20:44 Lachrymose wrote: right, because PvZ was so balanced in the days before forge fe. Nope, PvsZ was the most imbalanced mu in the days before forge fe? | ||
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betaben
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dongfeng
731 Posts
THE FUCk SOMEONE GET THE BISU FACE srsly i was like that when i saw the results expecting bisu to go through 2-1 at the least ???? | ||
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
On January 09 2009 20:49 Hot_Bid wrote: i don't know why everyone is saying the map is the issue. one probe scouting back there and Bisu stops the ling runby, one pylon at the back generator area and bisu stops that hydra allin. the stuff was easily preventable if Bisu prepared like he should have. same with game 2, bisu lost 4-5 reavers and three shuttles unnecessarily, also lost all his sairs. speedshuttles and sairs would've been great to defend against those drops, instead bisu has nothing and the ovies can just load and unload constantly. i'm not saying hero didn't play well, because he did, and for all we know even if bisu played his best he might have lost, but the reason it seemed so rape was because it was a combination of hero playing great and bisu playing poorly. Agreed. Hero really took it to the next level though. Remember game2 against Ruby where he had 4.3k/1.6k in the bank? He really improved his macro big time in that game against Bisu. edit: the one upside to this as a Bisu fan is that he will probably be MORE careful in his MSL group than he otherwise would've been. Sucks that he won't be in the OSL though. | ||
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EpiK
Korea (South)5757 Posts
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
One of my biggest gripes when it comes to the issue of balance is consistency. When zergs finally stood up to terrans with the art of 3 hatch play, mutalisk control, defiler and nydus canal usage. It shocked the terrans all over. In fact, I believe this zerg revolution led by Savior is one of the biggest (if not the biggest) changes made to a match up in progaming history. The thing is, the better zergs got at mutalisk harass, the more difficult the maps got to use this new skill in. In fact, the zerg revolution was butt raped by the map makers who basically cancelled out the improvements made by the zerg players by making gay maps. Protoss was struggling against zergs too, but when Bisu changed the match-ups, the map makers made it even more double-nexus friendly, gave even more minerals, made it easy for protoss to gain their 3rd gas. How come when zergs improve, it needs to be cancelled out, but when protoss gain ground in PvZ, the map makers make it all the more easier? Bisu and the so called six dragons are really benefitting from this "protoss friendly era", though it is true that they are very talented players. I'm just real tired of map makers making the same old maps that make PvZ easy with three easy steps while telling zerg players to use friggin' queens or die against terrans. | ||
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Rostam
United States2552 Posts
On January 09 2009 20:55 Hot_Bid wrote: 1. GGPlay is already seeded into OSL Ro16 2. Luxury, Yarnc, July, and Jaedong, the four best Zergs at the moment (aside from Effort) have yet to play their groups. You have to figure at least one of them makes it through. 3. MSL Ro16 is way too far off to be predicting whether one player is the only one to make it through, the racial distribution of 14/8/8 makes it really unlikely one race gets shut out. 4. MSL Ro32 Group A has three Zergs in it, one of Savior / Zero / Magma will make it. He's saying he might be the only zerg to reach the ro16 in both leagues at the same time. The zergs still in both leagues besides by.hero are: YarnC (who has pretty easy groups in both leagues, wouldn't be surprised to see him in both ro16s) Luxury (Kal and Leta in his MSL group, but he should be able to beat either Hiya or Shuttle in OSL. Wouldn't be surprised however if he's eliminated from one or both) Jaedong (Group of death in MSL, vs Tazza and Light in OSL) If he does make it even if all of the above 3 do that's some pretty elite company, nothing to scoff at in any case. He also might fall on his face, we'll just have to see. | ||
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