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GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
November 22 2008 20:18 GMT
#1421
Totally worth staying up for. Now Bisu>Stork in GOM please
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
November 22 2008 20:20 GMT
#1422
On November 22 2008 19:20 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2008 19:17 Plexa wrote:
God this is going to be the most annoying week ever
Bisu fanboys will never shut up now


and here is how we start it off:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2008 19:18 []p4NDemik[] wrote:
I gotta be honest, all through those four games Bisu looked determined to win, while JangBi just looked complacent and ultra-relaxed, like he couldn't have a care in the world. I just didn't see the fire in JangBi's eyes that says he really wanted this series. Bisu had it.


what? i was rooting for jangbi from the semifinals on in this MSL after NaDa lost. That statement was an admittance that Bisu looked like the far more confident and determined player when it came down to it. i can't believe you'd pick that quote among so many others as a "fanboy" comment.
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HnR)hT
Profile Joined October 2002
United States3468 Posts
November 22 2008 20:34 GMT
#1423
P.S. I'm a savior fan, not a Bisu one. Still glad he won so boring, faceless players like Jangbi get shut out some more. Up with ballsy Starcraft!

Every ultra successful progamer initially gets accused of being "boring" and "faceless". That's what people were saying about Boxer when he beat Grrr 3-0. It's an age-old accusation that never dies. He's only faceless to you because you aren't used to him!

It is human nature to instinctively favor familiar personalities though. That's why there are "movie stars" instead of just actors...
Danger_Duck
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Burkina Faso571 Posts
November 22 2008 20:39 GMT
#1424
Poor Jangbi. He looked scared.
TBA
Danger_Duck
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Burkina Faso571 Posts
November 22 2008 20:43 GMT
#1425
Jangbi looked like he didn't get too much sleep and was nervous throughout, maybe next time he will rest easier.
TBA
Februarys
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Korea (South)259 Posts
November 22 2008 21:09 GMT
#1426
On November 22 2008 19:26 OneOther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2008 19:24 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
lol at people who thought jangbi was gonna win this

bisu plays like a retard sometimes, but he's waaaaaaay the fuck better than jangbi

no he's not
bisu may be better at bo5 due to more experience/mental strength, but jangbi is a mechanically better player. how does this prove anything besides what we already knew?

i am not saying jangbi should have won or anything, but how the hell is bisu way fucking better than him


Maybe because Bisu just outplayed him during this Bo5? Bisu lost 1st game cause he carelessly lost reaver shuttles but look at game 2,3, and 4 and tell me Jangbi is a mechanically better player

Stop letting your KHAN fanboyism blind you and finally admit that your favored player lost -_-
Its only a matter of time before Stork gets dethroned btw. Enjoy, this MSL finals in your face
Jaedong is the Hope of Zergs.
Februarys
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Korea (South)259 Posts
November 22 2008 21:16 GMT
#1427
Ahh~ Justice has been served.
The commentators even commented on during 4th set about the possibility of Bisu actually pulling off what even Nal_ra couldnt pull off (winning 3 MSLs as a protoss) if he wins this last game
Jaedong is the Hope of Zergs.
amorpheus
Profile Joined May 2007
Bulgaria2144 Posts
November 22 2008 21:55 GMT
#1428
On November 23 2008 05:34 HnR)hT wrote:
Show nested quote +
P.S. I'm a savior fan, not a Bisu one. Still glad he won so boring, faceless players like Jangbi get shut out some more. Up with ballsy Starcraft!

Every ultra successful progamer initially gets accused of being "boring" and "faceless". That's what people were saying about Boxer when he beat Grrr 3-0. It's an age-old accusation that never dies. He's only faceless to you because you aren't used to him!

It is human nature to instinctively favor familiar personalities though. That's why there are "movie stars" instead of just actors...


I think Bisu is quite successful progamer and "boring" and "faceless" were never applicable to him.
Let's say inattractive instead of boring then.
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
November 22 2008 22:22 GMT
#1429
On November 23 2008 06:09 Februarys wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2008 19:26 OneOther wrote:
On November 22 2008 19:24 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
lol at people who thought jangbi was gonna win this

bisu plays like a retard sometimes, but he's waaaaaaay the fuck better than jangbi

no he's not
bisu may be better at bo5 due to more experience/mental strength, but jangbi is a mechanically better player. how does this prove anything besides what we already knew?

i am not saying jangbi should have won or anything, but how the hell is bisu way fucking better than him


Maybe because Bisu just outplayed him during this Bo5? Bisu lost 1st game cause he carelessly lost reaver shuttles but look at game 2,3, and 4 and tell me Jangbi is a mechanically better player

Stop letting your KHAN fanboyism blind you and finally admit that your favored player lost -_-
Its only a matter of time before Stork gets dethroned btw. Enjoy, this MSL finals in your face
Jangbi IS mechanically better than Bisu. Bisu IS better than Jangbi over all. Jangbi DID play well. Bisu DID win this msl on calculated gambles. Which IS legitimate, and happens MORE often than not.

Seriously people, shut the fuck up already.
Never say Die! ||| Fight you? No, I want to kill you.
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
November 22 2008 22:27 GMT
#1430
I thought that Jangbi played stronger PvP than most people give him credit for. That said, the score does not emphasize how much better at PvP Bisu is than Jangbi.
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
Random_0
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1163 Posts
November 22 2008 23:04 GMT
#1431
Random question: I understand people's point about the "timing window" in game 4: that Bisu attacked when Jangbi's shuttle wasn't built, and so his shuttle-borne reavers annihilated Jangbi's ground-stuck ones.

But I think that doesn't give credit to Bisu for small things: he eliminates Jangbi's observer, for example, preventing Jangbi from knowing when the attack will come and preventing warping in an obstructing pylon. Also, he micros decisively better than Jangbi in the final battle at Jangbi's expansion, leaving with many more goons.

Also, why does Jangbi go observer-reaver-reaver in his robo? Shouldn't he have gone observer-reaver-shuttle instead? Then he has at least has a chance to keep his reavers alive.
iloveHieu
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1919 Posts
November 22 2008 23:32 GMT
#1432
just watched the series on youtube and mixed up the 2 colors anyways the true champion triumphs in the end~
Xellos <3
numberThirtyOne
Profile Joined March 2008
United States294 Posts
November 23 2008 00:01 GMT
#1433
On November 20 2008 07:56 disciple wrote:
I made them , you want a hydra silloutte NBA style logo? How big it should be for a t-shirt?


Dude your banners are killer! Full size hydra (and marine and zealot ) versions would be pure win.
voIDRAys are the most bm unit in SC2
Naib
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Hungary4843 Posts
November 23 2008 00:06 GMT
#1434
On November 23 2008 06:55 amorpheus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2008 05:34 HnR)hT wrote:
P.S. I'm a savior fan, not a Bisu one. Still glad he won so boring, faceless players like Jangbi get shut out some more. Up with ballsy Starcraft!

Every ultra successful progamer initially gets accused of being "boring" and "faceless". That's what people were saying about Boxer when he beat Grrr 3-0. It's an age-old accusation that never dies. He's only faceless to you because you aren't used to him!

It is human nature to instinctively favor familiar personalities though. That's why there are "movie stars" instead of just actors...


I think Bisu is quite successful progamer and "boring" and "faceless" were never applicable to him.
Let's say inattractive instead of boring then.


He said Jangbi was boring and faceless, whilst giving credit to Bisu as he's interesting.

I wouldn't call Jangbi's storm abilities boring though...but Bisu definitely has more spark.
Complete the cycle!
InfeSteD
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States4658 Posts
November 23 2008 00:42 GMT
#1435
On November 23 2008 06:09 Februarys wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2008 19:26 OneOther wrote:
On November 22 2008 19:24 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
lol at people who thought jangbi was gonna win this

bisu plays like a retard sometimes, but he's waaaaaaay the fuck better than jangbi

no he's not
bisu may be better at bo5 due to more experience/mental strength, but jangbi is a mechanically better player. how does this prove anything besides what we already knew?

i am not saying jangbi should have won or anything, but how the hell is bisu way fucking better than him


Maybe because Bisu just outplayed him during this Bo5? Bisu lost 1st game cause he carelessly lost reaver shuttles but look at game 2,3, and 4 and tell me Jangbi is a mechanically better player

Stop letting your KHAN fanboyism blind you and finally admit that your favored player lost -_-
Its only a matter of time before Stork gets dethroned btw. Enjoy, this MSL finals in your face


Oh poor raymond

It's not even that.. the simple fact that he has 3 MSL Badges on his chest makes him "a way fucking better player"

(P)Bisu ELO PEAK 2270

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stk01001
Profile Joined September 2007
United States786 Posts
November 23 2008 00:44 GMT
#1436
On November 23 2008 03:21 FrozenArbiter wrote:
.. I think I'm just never gonna read any Jangbi-game threads ever again, I get too annoyed by retards hating on him for no reason.

I think both players played pretty well --;


yea seriously... I actually think Jangbi is a great player... and I know a lot of other progamers respect his skills..
a.k.a reLapSe ---
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
November 23 2008 00:54 GMT
#1437
On November 23 2008 06:09 Februarys wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2008 19:26 OneOther wrote:
On November 22 2008 19:24 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
lol at people who thought jangbi was gonna win this

bisu plays like a retard sometimes, but he's waaaaaaay the fuck better than jangbi

no he's not
bisu may be better at bo5 due to more experience/mental strength, but jangbi is a mechanically better player. how does this prove anything besides what we already knew?

i am not saying jangbi should have won or anything, but how the hell is bisu way fucking better than him


Maybe because Bisu just outplayed him during this Bo5? Bisu lost 1st game cause he carelessly lost reaver shuttles but look at game 2,3, and 4 and tell me Jangbi is a mechanically better player

Stop letting your KHAN fanboyism blind you and finally admit that your favored player lost -_-
Its only a matter of time before Stork gets dethroned btw. Enjoy, this MSL finals in your face

outplaying = getting build disadvantage?
only game i am willing to give credit to bisu is for game 4
and i did admit it a long time ago, i am happy for what bisu was able to achieve.
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-23 01:07:01
November 23 2008 00:55 GMT
#1438
On November 23 2008 09:42 InfeSteD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2008 06:09 Februarys wrote:
On November 22 2008 19:26 OneOther wrote:
On November 22 2008 19:24 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
lol at people who thought jangbi was gonna win this

bisu plays like a retard sometimes, but he's waaaaaaay the fuck better than jangbi

no he's not
bisu may be better at bo5 due to more experience/mental strength, but jangbi is a mechanically better player. how does this prove anything besides what we already knew?

i am not saying jangbi should have won or anything, but how the hell is bisu way fucking better than him


Maybe because Bisu just outplayed him during this Bo5? Bisu lost 1st game cause he carelessly lost reaver shuttles but look at game 2,3, and 4 and tell me Jangbi is a mechanically better player

Stop letting your KHAN fanboyism blind you and finally admit that your favored player lost -_-
Its only a matter of time before Stork gets dethroned btw. Enjoy, this MSL finals in your face


Oh poor raymond

It's not even that.. the simple fact that he has 3 MSL Badges on his chest makes him "a way fucking better player"

(P)Bisu ELO PEAK 2270

1st[image loading] 2008 ClubDay MBCGame Starleague
3rd[image loading] 2007 EVER OnGameNet Starleague
2nd[image loading] 2007 GOMTV MBCGame StarLeague Season 3
1st[image loading] 2007 GOMTV MBCGame StarLeague Season 2
1st [image loading] 2006-2007 GOMTV MBCGame StarLeague Season 1

(P)JangBi ELO PEAK 2243

2nd[image loading] 2008 ClubDay MBCGame Starleague



eddie, how does this relate to anything i am talking about? OF COURSE bisu has has a better career than jangbi... he was a little kid when he became progamer. i am talking about RIGHT NOW.

my main point was to argue against steve's ridiculous claim
ItchReliever
Profile Joined April 2004
2489 Posts
November 23 2008 01:09 GMT
#1439
On November 23 2008 09:55 OneOther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2008 09:42 InfeSteD wrote:
On November 23 2008 06:09 Februarys wrote:
On November 22 2008 19:26 OneOther wrote:
On November 22 2008 19:24 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
lol at people who thought jangbi was gonna win this

bisu plays like a retard sometimes, but he's waaaaaaay the fuck better than jangbi

no he's not
bisu may be better at bo5 due to more experience/mental strength, but jangbi is a mechanically better player. how does this prove anything besides what we already knew?

i am not saying jangbi should have won or anything, but how the hell is bisu way fucking better than him


Maybe because Bisu just outplayed him during this Bo5? Bisu lost 1st game cause he carelessly lost reaver shuttles but look at game 2,3, and 4 and tell me Jangbi is a mechanically better player

Stop letting your KHAN fanboyism blind you and finally admit that your favored player lost -_-
Its only a matter of time before Stork gets dethroned btw. Enjoy, this MSL finals in your face


Oh poor raymond

It's not even that.. the simple fact that he has 3 MSL Badges on his chest makes him "a way fucking better player"

(P)Bisu ELO PEAK 2270

1st[image loading] 2008 ClubDay MBCGame Starleague
3rd[image loading] 2007 EVER OnGameNet Starleague
2nd[image loading] 2007 GOMTV MBCGame StarLeague Season 3
1st[image loading] 2007 GOMTV MBCGame StarLeague Season 2
1st [image loading] 2006-2007 GOMTV MBCGame StarLeague Season 1

(P)JangBi ELO PEAK 2243

2nd[image loading] 2008 ClubDay MBCGame Starleague



eddie, how does this relate to anything i am talking about? OF COURSE bisu has has a better career than jangbi... he was a little kid when he became progamer. i am talking about RIGHT NOW.

my main point was that this series didn't prove that "bisu was way fucking better than him." it just showed that he has the upperhand in big games/series, at least relative to jangbi who has no prior experience.


being mentally stronger is a key part of "being way fucking better than him"
maybe he's not "way fucking" better, but it's clear he is in fact better
FieryBalrog
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1381 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-23 01:14:51
November 23 2008 01:13 GMT
#1440
On November 23 2008 09:54 OneOther wrote:

outplaying = getting build disadvantage?
only game i am willing to give credit to bisu is for game 4


You don't get lucky 3 times in a row-> preparation and superior play, not luck. Its like hating on Flash for his even more build-order centered crushing of Stork in Bacchus. Not to mention Bisu consistently wins PvP, Jangbi doesn't until recently, its just hating to say Bisu didn't have credit for this win.
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