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OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
November 22 2008 11:04 GMT
#1341
On November 22 2008 20:01 Kwark wrote:
Fancy a PvP on icc right now OneOther?

no, it's 3 am here but i would love to give you sound pvp pounding tomorrow
Naib
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Hungary4952 Posts
November 22 2008 11:05 GMT
#1342
Reading through this topic...some people with a colored name could cut back on the name calling a bit.

(at least Etter is not staff anymore, you sir are just a hater).

You know forum examples are set by people with powers... (and vets to a lesser degree) hell, it's you who keep whining about that all the time anyway. Then try to show how it's done, maybe.
Complete the cycle!
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
November 22 2008 11:05 GMT
#1343
On November 22 2008 20:00 Kwark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2008 19:57 OneOther wrote:
i still love pvp because it often comes down to pure mechanics battle of macro/micro/reaction/etc

I love PvP because no other Protoss matchup has so much metagame in it. It's all about what your opponent knows about what you're doing it and how they'll counter it and how you'll counter their counter. What you can get away with. Where you can cut corners and power your economy. How you can exploit threat to manipulate your opponent.
The mechanics side is what I suck at which is why I lose PvT.

Odd that we have such different ideas about the matchup lol.

pvp is the most micro intensive matchup, as well as the combination/balance of units. of course strategy is heavily involved too but a lot of progamers say they like pvp because they know they will most likely win if they're better.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44372 Posts
November 22 2008 11:05 GMT
#1344
On November 22 2008 20:04 OneOther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2008 20:01 Kwark wrote:
Fancy a PvP on icc right now OneOther?

no, it's 3 am here but i would love to give you sound pvp pounding tomorrow

And I love showing mechanical tosses the power of the metagame. :D
pm me when you're around, I'll reply when I can play and hopefully if we keep doing it for long enough we'll find a time.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-22 11:08:26
November 22 2008 11:07 GMT
#1345
On November 22 2008 20:05 Kwark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2008 20:04 OneOther wrote:
On November 22 2008 20:01 Kwark wrote:
Fancy a PvP on icc right now OneOther?

no, it's 3 am here but i would love to give you sound pvp pounding tomorrow

And I love showing mechanical tosses the power of the metagame. :D
pm me when you're around, I'll reply when I can play and hopefully if we keep doing it for long enough we'll find a time.

just f add me on iccup and message me! so much more convenient than a pm.

(i am under O.Other)
Monoxide
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada1190 Posts
November 22 2008 11:10 GMT
#1346
sooo GGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5214 Posts
November 22 2008 11:14 GMT
#1347
thanks for posting those insights kwark, my knowledge is pretty shallow so it's nice having someone commentate on the 'game within the game'.
you wouldnt feel that way if it was *your* magical sword of mantouchery that got stolen - racebannon
zobz
Profile Joined November 2005
Canada2175 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-22 11:18:22
November 22 2008 11:14 GMT
#1348
If jangbi had had a pylon or two in his choke and a shield battery to cover for his lack of shuttle, it seems to me he would've been much better off. If he was truly trying to play safe he would've thought of this. So it doesn't seem to me like that was what he was trying to do, or at least he did a fairly poor job of it.

But the proxy on byzantanium, i don't know why he did that.
"That's not gonna be good for business." "That's not gonna be good for anybody."
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
November 22 2008 11:14 GMT
#1349
Congrats to Bisu, it was a quick (too quick) series and Bisu was right about being able to come back from a game 1 loss.
TonyL2
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
England1953 Posts
November 22 2008 11:21 GMT
#1350
Man, I don't usually do this but 'cos it's 3rd gold, I'm gonna have to download the whole thing ^^
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44372 Posts
November 22 2008 11:22 GMT
#1351
On November 22 2008 20:14 zobz wrote:
If jangbi had had a pylon or two in his choke and a shield battery to cover for his lack of shuttle, it seems to me he would've been much better off. If he was truly trying to play safe he would've thought of this. So it doesn't seem to me like that was what he was trying to do, or at least he did a fairly poor job of it.

But the proxy on byzantanium, i don't know why he did that.

I think JangBi's expo in game 4 was an improvisation caused by the pressure of being 1-2 down in his very first finals and desperate for any kind of build order advantage. You're right that in a properly prepared build he would have used pylons to improve his defence and I'm sure that he knows that.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
November 22 2008 11:28 GMT
#1352
On November 22 2008 19:27 Chariot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2008 19:20 Kwark wrote:
However JangBi wants an advantage and skips a shuttle in exchange for a faster nexus. Bisu doesn't bother with the nexus and moves in for the kill.

...

JangBi's build wasn't that risky, he had a shuttle coming, 2 reavers out and 3 gateways down compared to Bisu's 2 gateway, no exp and 1 reaver in shuttle. Had Bisu hesitated for a few seconds that would have been enough to win it for JangBi.


Early expansions are easily punished in pvp, it's standard play to do exactly what you need to to punish it.

You can't expand early in pvp, just deadly.


you can expand early.. bisu did in second game and won.. so you really didn't have to look back that far jesus,,
And all is illuminated.
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
November 22 2008 11:44 GMT
#1353
I think it is the hype thread curse!!!

Nada and FBH lost their MSL matches because they had hype threads, now, JangBi had his. Bisu fans knew better that's why no one posted a hype thread for him! Go go Bisu!!

"Don't practice too hard for it, because I'll win it"
"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
November 22 2008 11:44 GMT
#1354
On November 22 2008 20:28 freelander wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2008 19:27 Chariot wrote:
On November 22 2008 19:20 Kwark wrote:
However JangBi wants an advantage and skips a shuttle in exchange for a faster nexus. Bisu doesn't bother with the nexus and moves in for the kill.

...

JangBi's build wasn't that risky, he had a shuttle coming, 2 reavers out and 3 gateways down compared to Bisu's 2 gateway, no exp and 1 reaver in shuttle. Had Bisu hesitated for a few seconds that would have been enough to win it for JangBi.


Early expansions are easily punished in pvp, it's standard play to do exactly what you need to to punish it.

You can't expand early in pvp, just deadly.


you can expand early.. bisu did in second game and won.. so you really didn't have to look back that far jesus,,


Yeah, but he did it on Destination with its easy to defend chokes, as opposed to Medusa with a wide, wide open front.
danieldrsa
Profile Joined June 2008
Brazil523 Posts
November 22 2008 12:15 GMT
#1355
Beeeeeee suuuuuuuuuuuit !
-*-
simcar
Profile Joined November 2008
Korea (South)118 Posts
November 22 2008 12:30 GMT
#1356
GJ Bisu,im very glad!
Savior will destroy everybody!!!
kemoryan
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Spain1506 Posts
November 22 2008 12:32 GMT
#1357
On November 22 2008 20:44 SilverSkyLark wrote:
I think it is the hype thread curse!!!

Nada and FBH lost their MSL matches because they had hype threads, now, JangBi had his. Bisu fans knew better that's why no one posted a hype thread for him! Go go Bisu!!

"Don't practice too hard for it, because I'll win it"


Actually there is:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=82574
Freedom is a stranger
Bifur
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Russian Federation1208 Posts
November 22 2008 12:39 GMT
#1358
(P)Bisu > (P)JangBi > (P)Kal > (P)Stork > (P)Bisu
Such a PvP-circle this season!
amorpheus
Profile Joined May 2007
Bulgaria2144 Posts
November 22 2008 12:47 GMT
#1359
[image loading]


well done I would say
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15366 Posts
November 22 2008 12:50 GMT
#1360
Vods are up on the tracker and on http://www.youtube.com/nevake btw.
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