*I calculated these with a formula I made. These odds are based on all-time statistics, but recent statistics have more influence in them. These odds are for the first sets only. The maps do not have a huge influence on these because there have not been many games played on them.
I'm thinking Flash, Mind, Best, and Stork goes up. Then Flash and Stork duke it out in the finals with Stork as the winner. Come on Stork! Please let this happen...please...
%99 of the people will say OMG FLASH 2-0 OR IN GAME 3 PLASMA EZ GG NO RE NUB. We all remember that when GGplay has his 3rd/4th gas running, he was nearly unstoppable in zvt but times have changed, OGN curse hit him pretty BAAD, In EVER 2007 he was 1-2 in groups, in Bacchus he was not even there, in EVER 2008 he even failed to win a single game in groups, and this OSL, he did not beat S class players to come here, light failed to do some 1 base build, rock is, well rock, and best WTFOWNED him with mass GOONS 1a2a3a4a5a ggnore nub, but i still have (WTF) faith on GGPlay, i do not know why i have faith on him, i think he'll show us some crazy defiler control and crazy macro.
For Flash, fuck him.
Mind vs Fantasy: Ahh fantasy, only royal roader left, he killed nada in both OSL and MSL and his 2 fact vs Sea was really good, TvT is boring, probably i will sleep during the matches but i LOVE fantasy and i want to see fantasy advancing, because you know, mind sucks.
Best vs Midas:
Both players have crazy macro, both players know this mu very well, maps can not tell much to us, but one thing is certain, this Bo3 will be really good, no matter who wins, and should entertain all of us. Prediction? I would go for Best because he has crazy momentum behind him, and i want a protoss to advance obviously.
Bisu vs Stork:
You know, PvP is incredibly hard to predict, both players look hella good recently on PvP, Stork is a beast when he is not playing a final, bisu is BISU, i like both players, but i like Bisu much more and i want to bisu win.
Flash - GGPlay: the least exciting Ro8 matchup for sure. Exhibition game losses to Hyuk and Rumble and two awful games against Yarnc in the MSL kind of make me think Flash has forgotten how to TvZ. Let's face it - since losing to Lux, Flash's TvZ has been a bit rough around the edges. Maybe he doesn't have that much confidence in this MU anymore? The GOM Classic final couldn't have helped him in that regard.
All of this discussion is pretty irrelevant when you consider his opponent is GGPlay. GGPlay is a has-been whose place in the Ro8 is a slap in the face to the many better players who didn't qualify (Sea, Much, even BackHo FFS). Flash owns GGPlay like Rock and Light should have, and advances to the Ro4.
Fantasy - Mind: fantasy is the latest product of T1's star factory and he pretty much came out of nowhere this Starleague season. A mediocre performance in the 2008 PL must have merely meant that his talents were incubating, because they're definitely fully hatched by now. I just see fantasy walking all over Mind here - TvT has never been Mind's strength and I think fantasy's dash of creativity is the perfect answer for Mind's mechanical style. Plus, fantasy can practice with the god of TvT Canata.
BeSt - Midas: as a huge T1 fanboy and a bigger BeSt fanboy, I'm really sad to see this matchup happening in the Ro8. Midas should be even more depressed, because BeSt is going to fuck him up. Even after so many more game appearances, Midas has never showed the kind of composure that BeSt showed last OSL. In terms of raw skill, BeSt easily takes the cake. This may be Midas's preferred matchup, but at this point I don't think he has the confidence or the skill to take out BeSt.
Another factor to consider is that Midas has frequently been criticized by teammates and opponents as a sore loser. He's clearly one of the more obviously emotional players on the circuit right now. This disposition won't serve him well in the heat of a drama-filled teammate-on-teammate battle, especially because BeSt is so cold and calculating.
Bisu - Stork: watching every match of T1's 2008 Proleague campaign was torture for the Bisu fan in me. The silver lining was Bisu's PvP, which emerged as the only matchup in which he is still proficient. Bisu in the Proleague is a mere shadow of Bisu in a Starleague, but I can still justify the claim that Bisu's strongest matchup right now is PvP.
Stork has fallen far from his throne as the "PvP king" of 2007, most recently by blowing a massive lead to Kal in the MSL with three awful micro mistakes. Plus, Bisu just seems to have Stork's number. He dominated both of their most recent meetings (STX Masters and Proleague) and I expect more of the same here. Bisu = Champion, Stork = go home.
Either way, the result of this match won't matter because its winner has to play a PvP Bo5 versus the best PvP player of all time.
On October 03 2008 15:48 jwd241224 wrote: The GOM Classic final couldn't have helped him in that regard.
I completely disagree here. His loss was the best possible thing that could have happened to flash's tvz. It made him realize that doing 1rax cc every game has weaknesses. I predicted that night that it would make him completely rethink his tvz and the proleague allstars proved that.
This is the only tvz left in this osl so there's no reason for flash to hold back good strategies for later. Flash will take it by mixing up his bo's, probably even having a creative one (assuming creative wasn't redefined by boxer at the gom tourney).
On October 03 2008 15:48 jwd241224 wrote: Maybe he doesn't have that much confidence in this MU anymore? The GOM Classic final couldn't have helped him in that regard.
On October 03 2008 15:58 Vivi57 wrote: I completely disagree here. His loss was the best possible thing that could have happened to flash's tvz. It made him realize that doing 1rax cc every game has weaknesses. I predicted that night that it would make him completely rethink his tvz and the proleague allstars proved that.
This is the only tvz left in this osl so there's no reason for flash to hold back good strategies for later. Flash will take it by mixing up his bo's, probably even having a creative one (assuming creative wasn't redefined by boxer at the gom tourney).
Your point is good, but I wasn't referring to his TvZ, I was referring to his "confidence in this MU". I don't think losing to JD 0-3 improved Flash's opinion of his TvZ.
Flash vs GGPlay Flash must be feeling insecure in this MU right now. I think there is an 80% chance of him pulling a big fat cheese here. And winning because Flash's cheeses are always awesome (ask Bisu...) and GGPlay has been consistently horrendous for a while now, being here on an incredible streak of luck. If Flash doesn't cheese, he probably has a special build instead of his now outdated 14cc-no-matter-what. GGPlay will have no idea what is coming anyhow.
fantasy vs Mind I have been following fantasy since last MSL's qualifiers where he was impressive (though later he got 0-2ed by dunno who and Savior). Lim Yo Hwan Jr gets better everyday. His TvT is scary and provided one of the best games so far this year (was that against Nada? Long back and forth TvT where both ended up trading their bases and starting all over again after like 20mins). Mind's TvT is so-so. His wins have never been convincing. Plus he has to be punished for that 2 rax proxy vs Midas.
BeSt vs Midas What a heartbreak. And a tough call. Midas looks really strong again and BeSt is still a stone cold macro machine. Given the map, I think Midas has an edge. But I believe BeSt will hold the pressure until he can finally outmacro his opponent.
Stork vs Bisu I hate Stork. I hate his team, his play style, his nerdy grin, his messy hair and most of all, I hate the fact that he always knocks out players I really like. He will eliminate Bisu just to piss me off. He made pretty bad micro mistakes vs Kal, so he must have spent the night being flogged by January (and probably that perv FBH). He won't do it twice. Unless Bisu pulls a brilliant chesse (not his style at all), there is a good chance he will lose today. It is not the time for Stork to choke just yet.
I want a zerg to move on, but you kind of have to cheer for flash. so I want flash Predictions Flash>ggplay Mind>fantasy Best>midas Stork > bisu Hopes; Flash Mind Best Bisu
GGPlay is the new cowmaster now that Chojja has retired, he has an entire herd strolling around the map, running into mines like they don't give a damn.
replay shows how ggplay walks right through huge minefield with almost all his ultras when he attacked and still killed flashs army ^^ to be fair though, flash was out of position with his goliaths covering the 9 o clock expo
Did Flash even watch Light v GGPlay? WTF? I am still shocked that he would go for such a dumb build when GGPlay almost got beat by a 1 base crappy TvZ terran. Hopefully he brings his A game to match 2 and 3, but I am now expecting him to lose. Ugh
Flash should've gotten science vessels much earlier rather than overproducing goliaths. It looked to me that he feared moving any units outside his base when the mutalisk harassment threat loomed.
Edit: Of course, who would've guessed that GGPlay would lay down 5-6 expos so quickly.
On October 03 2008 19:09 Elsi wrote: nice tech switch to mutas =]
caught flash off guard!
well flash was running out of eco while ggplay had 4k/4k saved up ^^ he just totally and utterly destroyed flash, never seen him get raped sooo hard.
flash cant handle a 3gas zerg, check out his games vs Luxury from the last OSL
What, that is the worst statement i have ever herd Flash lost that and quite badly, he had the timing to push out and he did but to late and didnt do anything, didnt try and take a 3rd and i think thats were he screwed up, he needed that 3rd gas and he didnt have it ggplay relised flash was fucked and just went mass ultras
On October 03 2008 19:20 SimonB wrote: Flash should've gotten science vessels much earlier rather than overproducing mech. It looked to me that he feared moving any units outside his base when the mutalisk harassment threat loomed.
Edit: Of course, who would've guessed that GGPlay would lay down 5-6 expos so quickly.
i dont think vessels would do any good against mass ultras
On October 03 2008 19:09 Elsi wrote: nice tech switch to mutas =]
caught flash off guard!
well flash was running out of eco while ggplay had 4k/4k saved up ^^ he just totally and utterly destroyed flash, never seen him get raped sooo hard.
flash cant handle a 3gas zerg, check out his games vs Luxury from the last OSL
What, that is the worst statement i have ever herd Flash lost that and quite badly, he had the timing to push out and he did but to late and didnt do anything, didnt try and take a 3rd and i think thats were he screwed up, he needed that 3rd gas and he didnt have it ggplay relised flash was fucked and just went mass ultras
Flash is getting owned every time he lets the zerg take the 3rd gas, really look at his games vs Lux from the last season, even the korean moderators made that point, he is completely missing the time window to attack
On October 03 2008 19:20 SimonB wrote: Flash should've gotten science vessels much earlier rather than overproducing mech. It looked to me that he feared moving any units outside his base when the mutalisk harassment threat loomed.
Edit: Of course, who would've guessed that GGPlay would lay down 5-6 expos so quickly.
i dont think vessels would do any good against mass ultras
The point isn't so much against ultras. He was afraid to move outside his base so he failed to attack in that window before GGPlay became a macro monster with 8 bases. He needed the vessels to keep the mutalisk harassment off him.
On October 03 2008 19:09 Elsi wrote: nice tech switch to mutas =]
caught flash off guard!
well flash was running out of eco while ggplay had 4k/4k saved up ^^ he just totally and utterly destroyed flash, never seen him get raped sooo hard.
flash cant handle a 3gas zerg, check out his games vs Luxury from the last OSL
What, that is the worst statement i have ever herd Flash lost that and quite badly, he had the timing to push out and he did but to late and didnt do anything, didnt try and take a 3rd and i think thats were he screwed up, he needed that 3rd gas and he didnt have it ggplay relised flash was fucked and just went mass ultras
Flash is getting owned every time he lets the zerg take the 3rd gas, really look at his games vs Lux from the last season, even the korean moderators made that point, he is completely missing the time window to attack
Define every time, by my recollection in his game v july, july had a massive lead and a 3rd gas and he came back and won, it was just the stupid decision of doing mech on a map with no easy 3rd Yes hes looking shakey but you cant say oh the zerg has a third game over
On October 03 2008 19:09 Elsi wrote: nice tech switch to mutas =]
caught flash off guard!
well flash was running out of eco while ggplay had 4k/4k saved up ^^ he just totally and utterly destroyed flash, never seen him get raped sooo hard.
flash cant handle a 3gas zerg, check out his games vs Luxury from the last OSL
What, that is the worst statement i have ever herd Flash lost that and quite badly, he had the timing to push out and he did but to late and didnt do anything, didnt try and take a 3rd and i think thats were he screwed up, he needed that 3rd gas and he didnt have it ggplay relised flash was fucked and just went mass ultras
Flash is getting owned every time he lets the zerg take the 3rd gas, really look at his games vs Lux from the last season, even the korean moderators made that point, he is completely missing the time window to attack
Define every time, by my recollection in his game v july, july had a massive lead and a 3rd gas and he came back and won, it was just the stupid decision of doing mech on a map with no easy 3rd Yes hes looking shakey but you cant say oh the zerg has a third game over
you gave me july's ZvT for example?! by every time I mean , every time he meets a S-class ZvT player like JD, Lux, Yarnc etc.
I'll probably be gone before the Best vs. Midas gets underway, but it could be an epic game provided there's no cheese. I really like Chupung-Ryeong but it seems to be a cheesefest map.
On October 03 2008 19:45 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: fantasy is going to win OSL
only if he doesnt see Best. I think he can own anyone else in this OSL but Best would be a hard time and a good final :D
what about GGPlay ?? did u forget what u just see? apparantely he decided to bring his a-game to the knockout round. And Im pretty sure fantasy wont beat GGPlay in a BO5 unless they play plasma twice or smth °_°
On October 03 2008 19:45 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: fantasy is going to win OSL
only if he doesnt see Best. I think he can own anyone else in this OSL but Best would be a hard time and a good final :D
what about GGPlay ?? did u forget what u just see? apparantely he decided to bring his a-game to the knockout round. And Im pretty sure fantasy wont beat GGPlay in a BO5 unless they play plasma twice or smth °_°
I'm still pretty sure that Flash will pass GGPlay.
On October 03 2008 19:45 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: fantasy is going to win OSL
only if he doesnt see Best. I think he can own anyone else in this OSL but Best would be a hard time and a good final :D
what about GGPlay ?? did u forget what u just see? apparantely he decided to bring his a-game to the knockout round. And Im pretty sure fantasy wont beat GGPlay in a BO5 unless they play plasma twice or smth °_°
I'm still pretty sure that Flash will pass GGPlay.
this is irrelevant. im just saying out of the remaining players GGPlay would probably be the hardest for fantasy to beat. and u cant deny that ggplays chances have just multiplied, basically everyone counted him out already before this game.
On October 03 2008 19:55 arbiter_md wrote: Unfortunatelly the first two games are the must-win for GGPlay, because if it get to the third, it's on Plasma:-(
i know, if it wasnt for that i would consider GGPlay the heavy favourite now
Best getting his 2nd exp. Midas sends some vultures to deal with it but a pylons block choke. Best tring to harrass but cant do anything. He's got speed shuttle now.
Best manages to get some goond and zealots into Midas nat. Forcing midas to split forces. Now he's sending his main army to break contain. WOW lots of tanks are dead to zealots! Best is coming back!
After that beginning, Midas really threw an advantage away with sloppy play. I am only seeing bits of the pushes that got smashed, but mines are hurting babybear a lot. Lack of Goliaths was ehhh too.
On October 03 2008 19:09 Elsi wrote: nice tech switch to mutas =]
caught flash off guard!
well flash was running out of eco while ggplay had 4k/4k saved up ^^ he just totally and utterly destroyed flash, never seen him get raped sooo hard.
flash cant handle a 3gas zerg, check out his games vs Luxury from the last OSL
What, that is the worst statement i have ever herd Flash lost that and quite badly, he had the timing to push out and he did but to late and didnt do anything, didnt try and take a 3rd and i think thats were he screwed up, he needed that 3rd gas and he didnt have it ggplay relised flash was fucked and just went mass ultras
Flash is getting owned every time he lets the zerg take the 3rd gas, really look at his games vs Lux from the last season, even the korean moderators made that point, he is completely missing the time window to attack
Define every time, by my recollection in his game v july, july had a massive lead and a 3rd gas and he came back and won, it was just the stupid decision of doing mech on a map with no easy 3rd Yes hes looking shakey but you cant say oh the zerg has a third game over
you gave me july's ZvT for example?! by every time I mean , every time he meets a S-class ZvT player like JD, Lux, Yarnc etc.
July isnt a good zerg at the moment? hes the osl champ :S Remember that he did rape effort and rumble 2-0, and watch next week he'll come out and rape ggplay 2-0, i believe
I don't think Midas played bad at all. It is just that BeSt played extremely well. I don't think you can try and break a contain on this map by making a frontal push : tanks would own your army. BeSt forced Midas to split his army and took full advantage of Terran's lack of mobility. He could then engage his full macro mode and overwhelmpoor Midas.
Bisu will expand at island as well. Bisu sends a shuttle to harrass but stork seems to know and sends some goons to intercept it!!! They both seem to have maphack. Bisu getting close to goons. Loses reaver and shuttle... Bisu omg..
Bisu now with 2 reavers, trying to go straight for stork's natural, but there's a reaver waiting for him. Now using said 2 reavers to clear his own ramp. Does a fine job -kills stork's reaver and takes a lot of goons with it.
Stork being pushed back to the high ground mid-map, Bisu keeps pursuing. Stork however seems to have a large enough army assembled at his natural to hold bisu off. Here comes Bisu! His push fails miserably and now Stork goes for the counter!
edit: Stork with a large eco advantage taking map control. Bisu does however pick a reaver off with cute shuttle/reaver-micro
bisu actually played really well, though, just as good or better than stork mechanically, but losing that shuttle/reaver to those maphack dragoons was immediate game
On October 03 2008 20:56 traced wrote: bisu actually played really well, though, just as good or better than stork mechanically, but losing that shuttle/reaver to those maphack dragoons was immediate game
Exactly. Losing those 2 reavers and shuttle was the turning point towards Storks victory...
On October 03 2008 20:56 traced wrote: bisu actually played really well, though, just as good or better than stork mechanically, but losing that shuttle/reaver to those maphack dragoons was immediate game
Exactly. Losing those 2 reavers and shuttle was the turning point towards Storks victory...
Man... Midas looked so lost. Everything of his was out of position when Best started trying to flank and I had the feeling something bad would go wrong and boom all his tanks blow up for like nothing.
7. Sep 15 GGPlay (Z) vs Iris (T) on Arkanoid 2006 Shinhan OSL Season 2 Group of 24 Week 6, Group F
9-base Zerg vs 3-base Terran? I don't think so. This is what ZvT looks like in the cinematics during the single player campaign. What’s not in the clip is that after his gazillion Mutas died, GGPlay said “fuck it” and dropped 20 Ultras in Iris' main. No ling support, no lurkers, just ultras. Korean fans called it the “Cow herd rape”
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