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Russian Federation4333 Posts
Incruit OSL Round of 16 Week 3.1
18:30 KST, 2:30 PST @ Ongamenet Channel
Predictions:
+ Show Spoiler +July > Much. This is an easy bet; July's ZvP is just so good right now and given how badly he owned Bisu in his last OSL game Much winning this would be a huge upset. GGPlay > Rock. This is a tougher prediction. Neither one of the players are really good however GGPlay did defeat BestGod in the MSL qualifiers and Rock has been raped 4 straight ZvP's by July. GGPlay by a slight margin. Luxury > Mind. This is a tougher prediction. Mind has been pretty bad in his TvZ lately. He lost to mediocre Zero and was defeated by Luxury 2-1 in WCG. Luxury has not been playing the best ZvT lately however I give him the slight edge in this game. Stork > Sea. If Sea was to win this game he would go 2-1 in the group and probably qualify for Ro 8 unless the group goes 2-1, 2-1, 2-1, 0-3 in which case there will be a tie breaker for the top 2 spots. Now Sea could still loose in the tiebreakers however his chances of qualifying would be good. Now since Sea still has a chance to be eliminated from the ro 16 if he wins this game we cannot count this game as an auto-loss for Sea.  But if we follow simple progaming physics it becomes obvious who is the favourite in this bout. 
Results:
+ Show Spoiler +Much > July
GGPlay > Rock
Mind > Luxury
Stork > Sea
* = Last 10 games played in the upcoming matchup.
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I'm exited for tonights games.
I have no clue how an S class zerg can beat an S class terran on plasma, I'm looking forward to seeing luxurys approach, I loved his unique approach vs flash on troy, I hope something similar works out.
btw, your op is great, thanks!
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much only 2-8 in last ten? wow, i didn't even think that his PvZ is so weak nowadays 
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It's not. Much has had the unfortunate luck of playing all his end-tournament games recently and a few losses leading to a stupid last ten. Much's PvZ is much better than his stats suggest. And PvZ is imba anyways.
OMGGGGGGggggg Stork > Sea, Lux > Mind, Much>July, GGplay>Rock and I will be so happy.
But I look forward to GGplay vs Rock the most.
Ro16 WARRRrr
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Of those 8 losses 4 comes from Jaedong and 2 from luxury, so not like hes been playing chumps latly.
Predictions
July
GGplay
Mind
Stork
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I love it most when a Protoss beats July. Plz plz plz plz plz plz Much.
I have to bank on Much winning and Flash beating Bisu.
PLZ PLZ PLZ...
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July
GG
Lux
Sea
lots of zerg games :D
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I really hope Much can pull a win. Ending 0-3 after what he showed in the last few months would be unfair.
Otherwise, I hope for :
- Rock : Rock would make a terrific ceremony. And GGPlay sucks and is a shame for all zergs out there. His game vs Light was pathetic. Problem : Rock sucks like no other at PvZ.
- Luxury : Zergs need more players advancing, go go Lux! Plus Mind is the most boring player on the scene imo. His cheese against Midas was lame (but a win is a win, so...). Too bad he is so consistent.
- Sea : what's more to say? And Stork is 2nd most boring (hey! Silver again!) after Mind. Yet he is even more consistent. Damn it.
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yeah, i've seen much of much PvZ's and i always had that stupid feeling like "he plays wery vell, but his oponent did it better". i really like much, his gamestyle and i think that he will do it better vs July than Bisu did.
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damn it, i was hoping to see last part of Flash; and if he can 3-0
predition:
July
mind
ggplay
stork
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On September 24 2008 17:07 Uraeus wrote:
IMind is the most boring player on the scene imo. His cheese against Midas was lame (but a win is a win, so...). Too bad he is so consistent.
I don't understand why people always call mind consistent. His strategys are consistent, he consistently plays above average, but he doesn't consistently do well in starleagues. Since he won the msl he hasn't done anything.
I love mind he is my second favorite terran,but why do people always talk about his consistency....
This was written hoping you would explain your reasoning.
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In other news, STX_SheIs is joining the army, will retire very soon!
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holy shit hes gonna be wearing KTF uniform today haha. oh nvm it says after todays match =/
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On September 24 2008 18:12 Pepsicolaone wrote:holy shit hes gonna be wearing KTF uniform today haha
Article says he will be wearing KTF uniform after this match (Sep.26)
KTF will be powerful ! but ogn.... i don't know why they transfer him to KTF,,,,
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He's leaving OGN for KTF?
T_T
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
WTF luxury going to ktf lol thats so weird.. haha hes ditching his bro!! :O
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I was just thinking about julyzerg and he is the only play with a unique playstyle that has played more or less the same since he started who is still successfull.
Yellow didn't change and faded away.
Chojja didn't change and faded away.
Gorush hasn't changed and faded away.
Savior changed alot from 04 to 06 and after 07 never changed.
ggplay hasn't changed and while not fading away, he doesn't has faded.
What got me thinking about this was jaedongs zvp. He has the best ZvP the world has ever seen. I mean common the best tosses of our day rarely even look good against him. He more or less figured out the counter macro and timming to the bisu build. July always a monster is zvp has completely resisted imitating the style(s) that jaedong uses and sticks to his own. I respect that (not that his zvp is by anymeans bad. I don't think any P in the world is a favorite against him either)
Sorry for the long post , I just love julyzerg.
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well
only reaosn i like OGN is for the Lux man.
So I guess I'm a KTF/Lecaf fan now : )
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motbob
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intro just keeps getting better
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Hate to ask, but where is thisbeing streamed?
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read up 4 post from your own.
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About this link.
It's basically the same as Daum player stream, but low quality. A lot more reliable than yaoyuan. It should always work when you want to watch OSL live.
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i wish much would play straight-up, but this cannon rush is awesome
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man much is awesome, 3 great osl games from him.
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On September 24 2008 18:44 brjdrb wrote:
i wish much would play straight-up, but this cannon rush is awesome
well defended from july tho T_T;;
if much had invested in a quicker zealot, he could've done a lot better.
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much builds forge in outside nat, scouts july going 12hatch, blocking ramp to nat with a new forge + gateway and builds 3 cannons. July manages to defend it after loosing drones, sunkens and some lings. Much building nexus and july taking outside nat
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araavv,
much went forge first, cannon rush above julyzergs natural minerals, he blocked the drones with a gateway/forge Julyzerg lives after suffering large loses. Much takes his expo, julys taking his third.
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WTF AT PROBE JUMP????????
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On September 24 2008 18:41 araav wrote:
live reports please?
Game started with Much rushing a gate + forge + cannons on July's cliff. July barely managed to take it down with a sunken and some lings. Things are quieting down now. July's taken 12, Much has 4 and 5, is pressuring 12 and getting a sair or two.
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July going 4 hat lair vs +1 + citedal + stargate. The game is more or less even.
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the probe jump was sexy =]
I've seen Leta do it with a vult as well, sick!
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On September 24 2008 17:47 AttackZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2008 17:07 Uraeus wrote:
IMind is the most boring player on the scene imo. His cheese against Midas was lame (but a win is a win, so...). Too bad he is so consistent.
I don't understand why people always call mind consistent. His strategys are consistent, he consistently plays above average, but he doesn't consistently do well in starleagues. Since he won the msl he hasn't done anything. I love mind he is my second favorite terran,but why do people always talk about his consistency.... This was written hoping you would explain your reasoning.
So I will explain.
Mind is consistent because he hardly ever loses to chumps and keeps a steady win % against the best players.
I don't think he will win any more starleague because his consistency is not at a level high enough for this.
He is consistently good. Not great. Not awesome. He will never play bad, but will rarely raise his level to S-class.
Btw, Much, 2 cheeses in 3 games is pathetic. You can do so much more than that. Hope you and Flash won so we get a tiebreaker.
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
Much doing a +1 speedlot rush now.
July is throwing down sunks at the nat and has 2 scourge chasing the sair.
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July sends probes to stop the zealot rush but looses all the sunks and lings!
He barely holds the rush as his lurkers come out with a bit of ling reinforcements.
Now 3 zeals sneak into the main but the drones kill all the zeals with only one drone dead.
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the daum webstream is laggy as hell for me. live reports are appreciated
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
Much running in more zeals to harass drones but July defends well and Much looses many zealots.
July has made mutalisks and is now harassing the main of Much. Much has 2 archons who chase them away.
Much sends out amother force of zeals and archons and is going for the natural again. He is also starting his 3'rd base.
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much with the upper hand at the moment, he's playing some good stuff!
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
Fuck, July is loosing the nat. The zeal archon is very successful and kill of a lot of hydras and some drones before July finally fights it off.
Much is now mining fully from his third and stars his 4th at 5 oclock.
Not looking too good for July >_<
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
I think July should have stuck with lurkerling, his hydras are getting wrecked what the fuck.
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
Supply is 110 to 40, July will lose.
Now his nat is run over, GG.
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
Wtf that zvp was shit. That was NOT July right thee.
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ROFL MUCH WON, FUCK YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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opening bo from Much was sexy, britially executed building positions!
sick!!
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Wow Much won.
PvZ **not** imba. ^_~
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Amazing much, the only one who can beat July PVZ!
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Great, now Bisu will get play off worst case scenario :D
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On September 24 2008 18:56 TheTyranid wrote:
Wtf that zvp was shit. That was NOT July right thee.
Just admit how tight Much's play was! Noobshit.
The proxy all in to FE follow up was so nice.
Then the zealot pressure on that NARROW lurker timing gap.
Then ~_~_~ then... ~_~ =) =)
YAAAAAAAAA MUCH.
Now I believe in Flash to beat Bisu to give my 2nd favorite P a chance to advance, because he deserves it. MUCH GOGOGO
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On September 24 2008 18:57 Oystein wrote:
Great, now Bisu will get play off worst case scenario :D
i'm hoping flash doesn't take the game seriously and bisu proxies or some shit
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On September 24 2008 18:48 Uraeus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2008 17:47 AttackZerg wrote:On September 24 2008 17:07 Uraeus wrote:
IMind is the most boring player on the scene imo. His cheese against Midas was lame (but a win is a win, so...). Too bad he is so consistent.
. So I will explain.... .
Thank you.
I think the meta game there was amazing. He hurt julyzerg only enough so that his +1 timming was early enough to cause damage , which allowed him to move into mass cannon vs muta and taking his third and then repressuring while julyzerg built it.
That game flow was sick.
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that means!!! since july lost, Flash advances even before his 3rd game is played!
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I missed it. Damn! I cant wait for the vod. Cannot rush? lol
Edit
Sounds like an interesting game
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a 3 way 1-2 tie in the group of death, all going for that 1 spot.That would be amazing.
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Damn I feel frustrated now that July lost...
I'm counting on Rock now.
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You gotta love Much.
He starts with yet another cheese and suddenly remembers that he is a great player and plays the best PvZ I have seen in a while.
INow, Lee Young Ho must win his game so much can qualify after all.
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That really was Much at his best, a bit unpolished style, but with so much brute force. Too bad I still do not see him advancing. Not because I think Bisu will beat Flash, because I really cannot see that happening, but because I think July will pass the inevitable tie-breakers.
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On September 24 2008 18:59 ThePhan2m wrote:
that means!!! since july lost, Flash advances even before his 3rd game is played!
Doesn't that mean that Bisu will have better chance beating flash?
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That was such a sexy game by much... he's definitely one of my favorite players now. He's been playing really creatively, especially with that one-base carrier build against... bisu, i think. It's nice to see people stepping up now that Nal_rA is gone.
EDIT: Wow, i didn't see that until they showed the replay, but July mannered one of his workers with that sunken to stop the cannons lol
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On September 24 2008 19:01 kemoryan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2008 18:59 ThePhan2m wrote:
that means!!! since july lost, Flash advances even before his 3rd game is played! Doesn't that mean that Bisu will have better chance beating flash?
I sure hope so ^^ but I doubt Flash will give away a win.
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why did he build 2 forges? and why didnt he insta-attack the sunken with his first cannon?
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On September 24 2008 18:57 Oystein wrote:
Great, now Bisu will get play off worst case scenario :D
after the games tonight wanna play?
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On September 24 2008 19:03 ThePhan2m wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2008 19:01 kemoryan wrote:On September 24 2008 18:59 ThePhan2m wrote:
that means!!! since july lost, Flash advances even before his 3rd game is played! Doesn't that mean that Bisu will have better chance beating flash? I sure hope so ^^ but I doubt Flash will give away a win.
Pleaasee flash I beg u!
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On September 24 2008 18:58 SuperJongMan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2008 18:56 TheTyranid wrote:
Wtf that zvp was shit. That was NOT July right thee. Just admit how tight Much's play was! Noobshit. The proxy all in to FE follow up was so nice. Then the zealot pressure on that NARROW lurker timing gap. Then ~_~_~ then... ~_~ =) =) YAAAAAAAAA MUCH. Now I believe in Flash to beat Bisu to give my 2nd favorite P a chance to advance, because he deserves it. MUCH GOGOGO
Delicious cheese.
Much did the right thing. He had no chance in a straight up game.
edit: you should be a bit more polite. I spent a lot of time on that OP, noobshit.
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Wow. That game seemed to turn around fast at one particular moment. Much went towards 12 with a handful of lots and 3 archons, saw a swarm of hydra ready to defend and knew he had mutas behind him, thought "Maybe not" and backed off for a second... then went in anyway. He charged straight into what looked like a perfect position for July, and at a glance I was sure Much's whole army would get wiped out, but somehow the opposite happened. The archons survived, July had to chase them off with reinforcements, and it was downhill from there.
I'm amazed at how that battle turned out. Combination of upgrades at the right time and perhaps July not microing as much as he could have? ... or maybe just Protoss spirit.
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Holy shit I skipped that game 'cause I thought it was going to be a yawnrape... and Much won? 
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whut Much ?? Won pvZ vs July O_o must watch that lol
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On September 24 2008 18:58 AttackZerg wrote:
I think the meta game there was amazing. He hurt julyzerg only enough so that his +1 timming was early enough to cause damage , which allowed him to move into mass cannon vs muta and taking his third and then repressuring while julyzerg built it.
That game flow was sick.
I am actually wondering whether that cheese was intended to kill or just to prevent July from expanding and slow him down.
If Much's plan was to FE then +1 rush after the cheese all along, then this guy is a genius.
If the cheese was intended to kill and Much somehow managed to come up with this backup plan within a few minutes, and have a superb timing with archons etc... well he is a genius too.
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aww i missed the whole game
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On September 24 2008 19:06 Sir Alex wrote:
I'm amazed at how that battle turned out. Combination of upgrades at the right time and perhaps July not microing as much as he could have? ... or maybe just Protoss spirit.
yup. combination of all those.
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hahaha
this is exactly what i want
Much >>>>>>>>>> july
hahahaha
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2nd game started!
gogo rock!!
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Now if Flash wins = 3 way Tiebreak?
If Flash = Lose then Flash/Bisu go on?
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On September 24 2008 19:08 Uraeus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2008 18:58 AttackZerg wrote:
I think the meta game there was amazing. He hurt julyzerg only enough so that his +1 timming was early enough to cause damage , which allowed him to move into mass cannon vs muta and taking his third and then repressuring while julyzerg built it.
That game flow was sick. I am actually wondering whether that cheese was intended to kill or just to prevent July from expanding and slow him down. If Much's plan was to FE then +1 rush after the cheese all along, then this guy is a genius. If the cheese was intended to kill and Much somehow managed to come up with this backup plan within a few minutes, and have a superb timing with archons etc... well he is a genius too.
I think It was intended to kill, but as a calculated allin. Great protoss strategic play there.
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Go, go, Rock! Create a miracle!
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On September 24 2008 19:11 Velr wrote:
Now if Flash wins Much goes on?
And if Flash loses theres a 3 way Tiebreak?
No, if Flash wins then will be 3way Tiebreak, if lose then flash and bisu advance
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Tl.net is on tv so much these days!
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tl.net shoutout... don't recognize that guy o_0
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GGplay 9 pool?
Rock standard FE build.
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GGplay rushing lings, but probe saw lings and made second cannons.
Lings retreat for a sec.
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Why didn't GGPlay run past the cannon?
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thanks for the reports, guys!
Much appreciated
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GGplay expands to nat and keeps gathering lings in front of rocks nat.
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Rock showed good restraint keeping only 2 probes at the front. That was a bold move.
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ffs, is ggplay blind? god
one of the points of 9pool is to deny scouting, and then he just stands there as the probe goes by his lings
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Worst contain ever - probe goes past 10 lings unscathed. How'd this fucker win an OSL?
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Cute ling container by GGplay =P
@ Lol they didn´t stopped the probe...
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wow ggplay is the only zerg in the world with 10 speedlings letting a probe walk by them only 1 matrix away!
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Lol probe runs past GGplays lings line and is able to scout GGplay going lair.
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GGPlay and his lings are napping. This p^robe should already have died twice.
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Rock building first corsair.
Now scouting ggplay (with 3 hatch now) with the corsair.
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GGPlay retreats lings again...
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rock going corsair reaver
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First mutas out for GGPlay, tons of probes going down as the corsairs are chased off by scourge.
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GGPlay has 3 mutas in the main of Rock. Killing warping cannon. All probes run, the corsairs are threatened off by the scourge.
But Rock is countering with zealots at GGplay's 3/rd.
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Rock counters with zealots in GGPlay's base.
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GGplay doing spire + den at same time. Rock going robotics + bay. GGplay doing muta!
Muta atack rocks main and forces probes to retreat, not enough corsair. Now he has goon and corsair but not enoguh. Meanwhile rock sends his lots to counter some damage.
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scourge gets the shuttle, sunken gets the reaver
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Rock went reaver harrass but lost shuttle. Reaver was saved but eventually killed without doing any damage.
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GGPlay massing mutas against goons
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Shuttle goes into the nat of GG and is just able to unload the reaver before scourge kill it.
It takes down 5 drones before dying.
GGplay is now coming in with a dozen mutas into the main of Rock and is killing dragoons.
Doesn't look good for rock.
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Last goons are down probes massacred as they retreat again.
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Muta atack Rock main agan but penty of goons now. There are a lot of muta, goons melting!
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Omg... dumbest reaver drop i have ever seen...
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All goons dead and the sair count is kept at 0 thanks to scourge.
Mutas flood the main and start razing structures. Rock GG's.
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He has to retreat probes again!
Cant build corsair because theres 2 scourage in the stargate!
GG!
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What are the winners signing?
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On September 24 2008 19:21 Juanpe wrote:
Omg... dumbest reaver drop i have ever seen...
So true, reavers didnt do any damage. He should have done more corsair and cannons at main..
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Rock's PvZ or FBH's TvP? You decide.
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Game 3 should be the closest of the night.
(WTF Overlord commercial?!)
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On September 24 2008 19:22 tracer wrote:
Rock's PvZ or FBH's TvP? You decide.
Can I pick Casy`s TvP?
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On September 24 2008 19:24 village_idiot wrote:
what the hell?
Overlord
ugliest thing i've seen in these commercials so far.
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2 for 2 bay bay do you know?!
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On September 24 2008 19:21 Juanpe wrote:
Omg... dumbest reaver drop i have ever seen...
Plz, know and appreciate a trademark style when you see it.
God, newbies these days, no respect.
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GGplay>TheRock
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On September 24 2008 19:27 SuperJongMan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2008 19:21 Juanpe wrote:
Omg... dumbest reaver drop i have ever seen... Plz, know and appreciate a trademark style when you see it. God, newbies these days, no respect.
Rofl =P
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On September 24 2008 19:27 Juanpe wrote:
GGplay>TheRock
More like Z>TheRock
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On September 24 2008 19:22 tracer wrote:
Rock's PvZ or FBH's TvP? You decide.
I dunno, FBH did take two wins from Stork in GOMTV2 . . . (Did not watch the games, though.) And that game I watched against Pusan (back in 06) was pretty good.
I dunno much about Rock's ZvP though, aside from the gif.
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Wow I just realized how epic Stork vs. Sea could be. I really like the map.
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Luxury "still" with sparkyz uniform
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Lux just might win. I haven't seen him look confident in quiet a while!
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Only three wins for Lux...
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On September 24 2008 19:37 pR0gR4m3R wrote:
Luxury "still" with sparkyz uniform
Since he will win, he will do a ceremony of pull of his uniform to show his KTF T-Shirt :D
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Korea (South)922 Posts
cmon mind if u can beat jaedong ez with imbarines u can beat lux....even if he 5pools..gogogo
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Mind gets the hot lady! I think mind will win ths!
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On September 24 2008 19:40 kemoryan wrote:
Mind gets the hot lady! I think mind will win ths!
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Plasma is statistically T > Z favoured. Let's see what Lux can pull out here.
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I don't think mind will go wraith after what TheZerg did to him
I expect proxy factory like flash does for sure!
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On September 24 2008 19:39 AltaiR_ wrote:
cmon mind if u can beat jaedong ez with imbarines u can beat lux....even if he 5pools..gogogo
but then he did lose to thezerg =x
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So it begins!
Lux: Yellow 11
Mind: white 3
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Lux NEEDS to win. After being thrown out of MSL in a dismal fashion, he cannot afford to fail in Ro16.
Especially since Thezerg schooled Mind last week. Lux would not even be "the other best Zerg" anymore.
Hopefully this won't be too much pressure for him to handle.
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Mind starts building the factory under the overlord.
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proxy fact ... called it.
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Wow mind proxy? facs when lux had overlord right in front of it!
Lux doing lair + 2nd hatch.
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really fast starport for mind - maybe not that fast for plasma?
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LOL! Great timing from Mind; Factory starts a split second before the overlord arrives.
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double port already for mind - looking like wraiths
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Scv steals zerg gas at nat lol! Vult doing some damage on nat as well. But no probes at nat anyway.
First wraith coming. Lux has spire out thought.
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mind barely saves his first wraith from scourge
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Scourage chace wraith, He has no turret up so he he waits for 2 more wraith to kill scourage. Muta done for Lux.
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mind using the wraiths to defend against the mutas
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Fast overlord for Lux. Now mind is building some turret. Muta coming but wraith + 1 turret make muta retreat. Mind securing with turret the new exp he wants to take.
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tons of mutas for lux and he camps over the CC
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valkyrie prepared bay bay
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A VALK FOR MIND
Edit: gotta love the crazy builds plasma gives us - if only it were balanced lol
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Lots of muta + scourage enter minds main causing havoc! Big fight where mind can resist and mutas flee away! Both on 2 bases now!
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he needs +1 carpace and soon!
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Korea (South)922 Posts
achtung :O not everyday you see that in tvz eh
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Nice valkyre
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valk... this could be interesting.
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Lux epxaning now. Mind building a strong wraith + valk force.
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Lots of muta for lux as well.
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Korea (South)922 Posts
lux needs spore or hydra pronto...
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Den up for Lux. And mind making second and third rax and a tank I think.
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Lux has a fricking huge air force that is much less helpful than he would like due to valks
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On September 24 2008 19:54 AltaiR_ wrote:
lux needs spore or hydra pronto...
He's got spores.
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I would love to see a Queen ensnare the Wraiths and Valks.
Unused units FTW!!!
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Marines and 5+ barracks now for mind
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Mind switching to mnm + tank, while lux is making some hyda and lurk.
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when mind gets vessel it will be kinda hard to fend off harass for lux..
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ooohhh nice muta surrond by lux
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Lux baits Minds air force and wipes a bunch of it out with mutas.
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Air battle! Muta win given bad wrait and valk position!
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Mind's airforce is dead huge drop in Minds main follows.
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Second battle muta finish with all air force of lux.Big lurk drop on main!
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Scv ran away as tanks and marines come in to finish for lurk. Svessel out for mind just in time.
He did some damage but didnt kill any building.
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Korea (South)922 Posts
i have no idea whos losing more each encounter lol both losing big troop forces fast
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standard SK terran with tanks for mind now
lurker hydra for lux
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Mind should win here, looks pretty dominant.
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marine drop on 7 oclock expansion
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another lurker drop on Mind's main again decent damage is done
Lux looks like he'll lose the 7 o'clock
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Mind gathering a nice ball of mnm and tanks. Dship full with marines but muta found dropship. Now he dropped the marines in Lux's base at bottom. Second drop at main by Lux. But only manages to get 3 lurk in.
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Lux base at bottom is pretty now annihilated.
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Mind has to waste an irradiate on a single muta.
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Korea (South)922 Posts
minds multiple point attacking style is fun to watch. gg
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Lux GGs as Mind breaks through the lurker eggs.
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He opened egg wall and getting his army in, Marines killing Lux's expansion at top.
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Map looks really difficult ZvT!
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GGYO
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SONG BYUNG GU HWAITING!!!!!!!!!!
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Nice job MIND!!
Sea vs STORK omg! i just woke up too :D
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God this map is a pain for a Z vs T :~
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0/3 on liquid bet
Live reporting really give me bad luck!
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LOL @ the commercial playing "The Art of Losing" as a soundtrack to a video of Yellow.
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As I said, the hot lady that mind got really made him win.
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Thezerg beat Hwasin on Plasma. And he beat Mind recently. And Luxury lost 2 ZvT in a row.
It's too bad Luxury beat Thezerg.
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Plasma rules! :D Really fun map!
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This map is a nightmare for a Z vs T as air battle early game is always in favor of T with valkyries
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ahaha "mom i won i beat stork finally"
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Now Seaaaa gogo 
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SEA!!!
FOR YOUR MOTHER!!!
Let her see the outdoor stadium my boy!!!
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impressive stats of stork, around 10 consecutive wins?
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Gogogogo Stork Fighting!!!
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holy shit sea 1-8 stork from tlpd ;_;
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On September 24 2008 20:09 economist_ wrote:
This map is a nightmare for a Z vs T as air battle early game is always in favor of T with valkyries
If luxury went overpool/10 gas versus overpool/gas
basicly instead of 9/9/8 if he did 9/9/10 his mutas would have been about 10 seconds later but he would have had his expo up earlier would and that would be be good for the sake of a sunken and the extra 2 drones in the build result in earlier second gas also. Basicly his build was perfectly timmed for antiwraith, but didn't result in an economy that he could transition from. The air battle went fine.
Luxury copied thezergs play exactly, like every drone and ling timming and mind knew he would and improved the plasma build with 3 changes which made it way WAY stronger then before.
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Stork 15 wins and 3 losses in last 18 matches
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Yeom bo sung FTW ~
\o\ \o\  /o/ /o/
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lol did u hear that clamor when the probe made it past the ramp
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did Sea see proxy from Stork?
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Fuck did the scv see proxy!???
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lol, he never saw the proxy^^
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Korea (South)922 Posts
it didnt... D: hes doing 1fac exp
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THE SCV DID NOT SEE THE PROXY
REPEAT:
THE SCV DID *NOT* SEE THE PROXY
oh noes!! this is bad!
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Korea (South)922 Posts
scratch that he saw the bay :D
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OMG by 1 fucking millimeter scv didnt see proxy.... rofl
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wow that reaver is a hero......22 kills already...
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its done. well played by stork... poor sea...
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<3 storky^^
reaver micro ftw!
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sigh Stork is a dick but he's a dick with good reaver control
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ah sucks for Sea. nice job stork!
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STORK MOVES ON - TELL THAT TO YOUR MOM
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Sea knew ... god damnit he knew and barely missed it .... FUCK
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sea needs to rely on backho to beat fantasy in order to tiebreaker now....
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Stork got so lucky the scv didnt see proxy!
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16 winds and 3 losses in last 19 matches... Stork looks impressive.. could this finally be HIS OSL YEAR??
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Who let the Stork out?
Storkosaur Stomp!
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Storky is soo good T_T;
reaver micro top notch as always!
fantastic timing / build order.
awesome!!
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Better player won,
Cross fingers sea can sneak thru.
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he must have missed the proxy by one matrix... I thought for sure he would see it.
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Silver horseshoes up storks ass.
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On September 24 2008 20:21 kemoryan wrote:
OMG by 1 fucking millimeter scv didnt see proxy.... rofl
On September 24 2008 20:23 MCMcEmcee wrote:
sigh Stork is a dick but he's a dick with good reaver control
If the live reports on this game seem lacking it's because these two posts say it all.
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ONE FUCKING MATRIX AWAY
FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK
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On September 24 2008 20:24 Elsi wrote:
Storky is soo good T_T;
reaver micro top notch as always!
fantastic timing / build order.
awesome!!
his build order SUCKS, that proxy reaver build is USELESS if you get scouted
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FUCK YEAH.
Father.... you did it. Flash will destroy bisu and you will show those noobs how to play a tiebreaker!
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On September 24 2008 20:30 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
ONE FUCKING MATRIX AWAY
FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK
Starting to root for Backho to beat Fantasy?
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On September 24 2008 20:16 AttackZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2008 20:09 economist_ wrote:
This map is a nightmare for a Z vs T as air battle early game is always in favor of T with valkyries If luxury went overpool/10 gas versus overpool/gas basicly instead of 9/9/8 if he did 9/9/10 his mutas would have been about 10 seconds later but he would have had his expo up earlier would and that would be be good for the sake of a sunken and the extra 2 drones in the build result in earlier second gas also. Basicly his build was perfectly timmed for antiwraith, but didn't result in an economy that he could transition from. The air battle went fine. Luxury copied thezergs play exactly, like every drone and ling timming and mind knew he would and improved the plasma build with 3 changes which made it way WAY stronger then before.
True, the Lux 's air attack to Minds main was a mistake. I guess Lux had more unit counts at that time but with turret defense and wraith with larger range then he had to retreat with relative lost in mutas count. And when vals were out, he just had no other choice to switch to ground unit which resulted in his must-do drop. And when he failed that, he simply lost.
The air battle early game, therefore, was crucial to determine who won
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On September 24 2008 20:34 Fwmeh wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2008 20:30 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
ONE FUCKING MATRIX AWAY
FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK Starting to root for Backho to beat Fantasy?
no, i'll just be even more pissed off at backho if he loses
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On September 24 2008 20:25 Zidane wrote:
Better player won,
Cross fingers sea can sneak thru.
Sometimes BW is as much skill as luck.
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On September 24 2008 20:31 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2008 20:24 Elsi wrote:
Storky is soo good T_T;
reaver micro top notch as always!
fantastic timing / build order.
awesome!! his build order SUCKS, that proxy reaver build is USELESS if you get scouted
16 of his last 19 official matches. That's hardly luck. Maybe he has a gift for pouring over replays of his opponents to figure where to hide stuff. I dunno how else he got away with that crazy ass proxy carrier build against fOrGG in the WCG quals when fOrGG had about an hour and a half to scout it during which Stork would have been fucked if found and yet...
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2/4 but I wanted everyone to win, anyway. (Well, except Rock.)
Forgot to check the stats for Plasma while LBing Lux vs Mind. T_-
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On September 24 2008 20:31 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2008 20:24 Elsi wrote:
Storky is soo good T_T;
reaver micro top notch as always!
fantastic timing / build order.
awesome!! his build order SUCKS, that proxy reaver build is USELESS if you get scouted
most of the proxy BOs are useless if scouted intime,thats the point
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On September 24 2008 20:07 DownMaxX wrote:Thezerg beat Hwasin on Plasma. And he beat Mind recently. And Luxury lost 2 ZvT in a row. It's too bad Luxury beat Thezerg.
Thezerg actually has 2 wins on Plasma, one over Shine and one over hwasin. Thezerg for royal road. Poor sea, he barely missed the proxy. Man chupung reyong is a really bad map for PvT and really bad for early game PvZ.
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On September 24 2008 20:24 pR0gR4m3R wrote:
16 winds and 3 losses in last 19 matches... Stork looks impressive.. could this finally be HIS OSL YEAR??
nope, just another 2nd place XD
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On September 24 2008 19:05 TheTyranid wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2008 18:58 SuperJongMan wrote:On September 24 2008 18:56 TheTyranid wrote:
Wtf that zvp was shit. That was NOT July right thee. Just admit how tight Much's play was! Noobshit. The proxy all in to FE follow up was so nice. Then the zealot pressure on that NARROW lurker timing gap. Then ~_~_~ then... ~_~ =) =) YAAAAAAAAA MUCH. Now I believe in Flash to beat Bisu to give my 2nd favorite P a chance to advance, because he deserves it. MUCH GOGOGO Delicious cheese. Much did the right thing. He had no chance in a straight up game. edit: you should be a bit more polite. I spent a lot of time on that OP, noobshit.
I love your OPs.
But the cheese was because that map is so hard to FE on.
The cheese let's the FE be possible. If you noticed!! ????
=)
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4/4 2ez
lol@superbiased op
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On September 24 2008 20:31 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2008 20:24 Elsi wrote:
Storky is soo good T_T;
reaver micro top notch as always!
fantastic timing / build order.
awesome!! his build order SUCKS, that proxy reaver build is USELESS if you get scouted
When Sea scouted Stork's main, why didn't he send his troops back to his main straight away when he saw no shuttle?
I thought his bo was pretty good, timing was good.
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2/4. fudge. =P. Sweet proxy by stork. Good games all in all.
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On September 24 2008 20:40 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2008 20:31 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On September 24 2008 20:24 Elsi wrote:
Storky is soo good T_T;
reaver micro top notch as always!
fantastic timing / build order.
awesome!! his build order SUCKS, that proxy reaver build is USELESS if you get scouted 16 of his last 19 official matches. That's hardly luck. Maybe he has a gift for pouring over replays of his opponents to figure where to hide stuff. I dunno how else he got away with that crazy ass proxy carrier build against fOrGG in the WCG quals when fOrGG had about an hour and a half to scout it during which Stork would have been fucked if found and yet...
did i say stork's recent play has not been good? no, i said his build order in that game was shitty because if its scouted stork can't win, even more so because sea correctly predicted what was going on and scouted the map, only to miss the robo by a single matrix
reading comprehension ok
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Stupid university, i lost the Sea vs Stork match
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On September 24 2008 21:13 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2008 20:40 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On September 24 2008 20:31 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On September 24 2008 20:24 Elsi wrote:
Storky is soo good T_T;
reaver micro top notch as always!
fantastic timing / build order.
awesome!! his build order SUCKS, that proxy reaver build is USELESS if you get scouted 16 of his last 19 official matches. That's hardly luck. Maybe he has a gift for pouring over replays of his opponents to figure where to hide stuff. I dunno how else he got away with that crazy ass proxy carrier build against fOrGG in the WCG quals when fOrGG had about an hour and a half to scout it during which Stork would have been fucked if found and yet... did i say stork's recent play has not been good? no, i said his build order in that game was shitty because if its scouted stork can't win, even more so because sea correctly predicted what was going on and scouted the map, only to miss the robo by a single matrix reading comprehension ok
If he plays standard Stork wouldve lost anyways, the map is pretty bad for PvT, its like Longi + small chokes which is pretty bad news for protoss. Stork and Much can easily take down Flash and Sea straight up, there is a reason they cheesed on this map, its just unplayable.
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not like longinus.... at all.... really
it blows for toss on the ground but carriers are very strong there, as is cheese.
its basically blue storm except harder to split but easier to attack
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samachking you underestimate how goo Flash and Sea's mechanics are. They are well on par with Stork and Much and can win in straight up games.
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Julyzerg NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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just because you could lose when you get scouted does NOT make its a bad BO. If there is something to blame here its Sea's scouting, almost found it.. but almost isnt good enough sea. Better luck next time.
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3/4 july lost that was surprize thought that was the easiest bet
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On September 24 2008 22:57 dinmsab wrote:
just because you could lose when you get scouted does NOT make its a bad BO. If there is something to blame here its Sea's scouting, almost found it.. but almost isnt good enough sea. Better luck next time.
Stork luckboxed and got lucky. If Sea had scouted it he would have had turrets up in time and had his expansion up much longer than Stork's. It was a bad build if it was scouted.
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Every proxy is a bad build by default then because your opponent plays with the upper hand then...you guys are just spewing random bullshit.
Remember, the one who sucks is the one who gets "cheesed" not the one who's cheesing. That's one of the key elements of SC still being variable and competitive - your odds when cheesing are fine(not too bad, and not too good either).
Duh.
Noobs.
Edit: I somehow left out the "if scouted" part, but whatever. You should get the message.
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On September 24 2008 23:23 Naib wrote:
Every proxy is a bad build by default then because your opponent plays with the upper hand then...you guys are just spewing random bullshit.
Remember, the one who sucks is the one who gets "cheesed" not the one who's cheesing. That's one of the key elements of SC still being variable and competitive - your odds when cheesing are fine(not too bad, and not too good either).
Duh.
Noobs.
totally agreed, if cheesing is a stupid strat.. that makes boxer an idiot. (which he is not)
So sea lost to stork, accept that fact.
geez.
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pretty funny how certain ppl always talk shit about progamers and their builds, they know better after all...
reaver tec build - storks build sucks
macro war - storks build sucks
hidden proxy blablabla - storks build sucks
dress as a t-rex and own the osl 2008 to 2100 - storks build sucks
There are progamers who could do everything, even grab a quad and a railgun on andromeda and even then, the same ppl would answer with the same old comments...
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No surprises except July's loss. Damn dude, now the gate's open for tie break or elimination.
What a slip up!!!!!
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pittiful and pathetic for Sea fans's arguments here
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even if Stork win a starleague there would still be people to say Stork sucks ... everyone know that the only player that would still suck after a title is BackHo
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actually Stork is probably the best protoss player ever (and I´m saying that being a Bisu fan)
It´s sad he never won a starleague
But I´m pretty sure his time will come
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that or the army...
But <3 stork.
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On September 24 2008 20:30 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
ONE FUCKING MATRIX AWAY
FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK
btw u are clearly the wrong one to do the power rank!
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I really laughed loud after i saw that rock kills his OWN dragoon, and he managed to fly a shuttle INTO SCOURGE.
And Sea was extremely unlucky about proxy robo, disappointing.
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On September 24 2008 20:30 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
ONE FUCKING MATRIX AWAY
FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK
+1
Hoping for Stork and Flash rematch so Flash could rape the living fuck out of him.
....Seriously it perplexes why Sea has such a shit record vs Stork, it can't be because Stork's better than him, I can't get it through my head, can't convince myself..no.
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Noooo 2/4. My gut was telling me Much would take it, but I still bet against him. Sorry for not believing Grandpa Toss!
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On September 25 2008 02:37 QuietIdiot wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2008 20:30 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
ONE FUCKING MATRIX AWAY
FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK +1 Hoping for Stork and Flash rematch so Flash could rape the living fuck out of him. ....Seriously it perplexes why Sea has such a shit record vs Stork, it can't be because Stork's better than him, I can't get it through my head, can't convince myself..no.
Stork found someone who is even less clutch than him. While Stork chokes in the finals, Sea chokes anywhere but proleague.
Also, for some reason, when Sea got his scv into Stork's base and saw the support bay, he didn't immediately send his marines and tanks bank. I can't figure out why he would do that. And as you saw, the reaver caught the marines and tank coming up his own ramp so it made a huge difference. I call that a choke.
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On September 24 2008 21:13 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2008 20:40 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On September 24 2008 20:31 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On September 24 2008 20:24 Elsi wrote:
Storky is soo good T_T;
reaver micro top notch as always!
fantastic timing / build order.
awesome!! his build order SUCKS, that proxy reaver build is USELESS if you get scouted 16 of his last 19 official matches. That's hardly luck. Maybe he has a gift for pouring over replays of his opponents to figure where to hide stuff. I dunno how else he got away with that crazy ass proxy carrier build against fOrGG in the WCG quals when fOrGG had about an hour and a half to scout it during which Stork would have been fucked if found and yet... did i say stork's recent play has not been good? no, i said his build order in that game was shitty because if its scouted stork can't win, even more so because sea correctly predicted what was going on and scouted the map, only to miss the robo by a single matrix reading comprehension ok
And I'm saying Stork deserves credit for successfully predicting where he could put the robo bay without getting caught.
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On September 25 2008 04:46 ahole-surprise wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2008 02:37 QuietIdiot wrote:On September 24 2008 20:30 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
ONE FUCKING MATRIX AWAY
FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK +1 Hoping for Stork and Flash rematch so Flash could rape the living fuck out of him. ....Seriously it perplexes why Sea has such a shit record vs Stork, it can't be because Stork's better than him, I can't get it through my head, can't convince myself..no. Stork found someone who is even less clutch than him. While Stork chokes in the finals, Sea chokes anywhere but proleague. Also, for some reason, when Sea got his scv into Stork's base and saw the support bay, he didn't immediately send his marines and tanks bank. I can't figure out why he would do that. And as you saw, the reaver caught the marines and tank coming up his own ramp so it made a huge difference. I call that a choke.
Agreed. I don't understand why he started building an academy after seeing the support bay? Maybe a good terran player could explian that to me. Idk why Sea chokes at the ro16 it is very annoying. I mean honestly, if Frozean could make a ro8 Sea should be able to right?
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On September 24 2008 23:19 DeadVessel wrote:
Stork luckboxed and got lucky. If Sea had scouted it he would have had turrets up in time and had his expansion up much longer than Stork's. It was a bad build if it was scouted.
Congratulations on that conclusion.
If it's not a buildorder win it's luck. Loool for how many years can you make excuses like this?
Sea saw Stork didn't have the second pylon in his base and still managed to have nothing but 1-2 vultures in his base when the reaver came. I like Sea, but it's hard to join in the fan club when there are so many clueless know-it-alls who always seems to come up with new excuses to why Sea dissapoint again and again when it's so obvious he's just playing vs a superior player. God I don't want to hate Sea. Why do you force me to get upset at him for stupid shit Sea-fans say? T___________T
Facts:
Stork has always showed better results than Sea. Stork has always been the better player. Both are synonomous with consistensy, but in opposite ways. Stork always wins vs Sea with or without luck. Sea always gets raped by Stork.
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On September 24 2008 22:33 DeadVessel wrote:
samachking you underestimate how goo Flash and Sea's mechanics are. They are well on par with Stork and Much and can win in straight up games.
Sorry for doublepost, but all your posts in this thread gives me a headache.
First, mechanics are pretty much irrelevant today. I guarantee you all starleaguers and pretty much all A-team players in all the pro-teams have close to perfect mechanics (in korea of course).
Starcraft today is more about percentages and reading your opponent. I've read interviews with progamers where they explain their strategies like "this build has ~60%/ vs that build" etc. Pro-gamers already assume everyone knows how to micro and macro today. All foreigners who go to Korea says the biggest difference is that they rarely make macro or micro mistakes. Saying a pro-gamer's strong point is his mechanics should be an insult.
So while I do agree with your statement "Sea and Flash mechanics are well on par with Stork and Much", it says absolutely nothing about the players chances to show good results. Sure, Sea can sit and wait and hope that Stork will play a "straight up game" vs him for all eternity, but why would Stork do that when he is the superior player (not mechanics wise, but game sense and reading opponents-wise).
Lastly, the map in Starcraft will always have hidden spots which increases the importance of mind games (or luck as many of you call it). There's just nothing you can do about that.
You should never play poker btw.
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Hold the fowhin, I'm 4/4. Any games worth watching, or just 1-sided lamefests?
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On September 25 2008 07:39 thunk wrote:
Hold the fowhin, I'm 4/4. Any games worth watching, or just 1-sided lamefests?
much vs July, easily Pimpest play 2008....
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On September 24 2008 23:23 Naib wrote:
Every proxy is a bad build by default then because your opponent plays with the upper hand then...you guys are just spewing random bullshit.
Remember, the one who sucks is the one who gets "cheesed" not the one who's cheesing. That's one of the key elements of SC still being variable and competitive - your odds when cheesing are fine(not too bad, and not too good either).
Duh.
Noobs.
Edit: I somehow left out the "if scouted" part, but whatever. You should get the message.
That's not really the whole story here. Stork went through a long period where that was all he did, proxy something into carrier. It's a strong style, but he's done it so much that Sea instinctively scouted around the map. That's what's bad about this. A proxy build like that is strong if your opponent isn't expected it, and incredibly weak if they are. He was one matrix away from losing that game, and it's a huge disappointment given the strength of his play lately
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On September 25 2008 06:06 Krigstar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2008 23:19 DeadVessel wrote:
Stork luckboxed and got lucky. If Sea had scouted it he would have had turrets up in time and had his expansion up much longer than Stork's. It was a bad build if it was scouted. Congratulations on that conclusion. If it's not a buildorder win it's luck. Loool for how many years can you make excuses like this? Sea saw Stork didn't have the second pylon in his base and still managed to have nothing but 1-2 vultures in his base when the reaver came. I like Sea, but it's hard to join in the fan club when there are so many clueless know-it-alls who always seems to come up with new excuses to why Sea dissapoint again and again when it's so obvious he's just playing vs a superior player. God I don't want to hate Sea. Why do you force me to get upset at him for stupid shit Sea-fans say? T___________T Facts: Stork has always showed better results than Sea. Stork has always been the better player. Both are synonomous with consistensy, but in opposite ways. Stork always wins vs Sea with or without luck. Sea always gets raped by Stork.
First of all, Sea didn't see that Stork didn't have a second pylon in his base. Stork had a zealot on his ramp. Second, not even I am saying this is an unexpected result. Sea always loses to Stork, always. I'm unhappy with HOW it happened THIS time.
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On September 25 2008 02:37 QuietIdiot wrote:
....Seriously it perplexes why Sea has such a shit record vs Stork, it can't be because Stork's better than him, I can't get it through my head, can't convince myself..no.
Err... it's easy to bash stork for never winning titles, but he's one of the most consistent players in the pro scene. I mean he's a perennial powerhouse, he just never gets it done at the end.
My guess is there aren't many players who have a winning record vs stork.
The dude is like the Jim Kelly of Starcraft.
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On September 25 2008 13:59 DeepGreen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2008 02:37 QuietIdiot wrote:
....Seriously it perplexes why Sea has such a shit record vs Stork, it can't be because Stork's better than him, I can't get it through my head, can't convince myself..no. Err... it's easy to bash stork for never winning titles, but he's one of the most consistent players in the pro scene. I mean he's a perennial powerhouse, he just never gets it done at the end. My guess is there aren't many players who have a winning record vs stork. The dude is like the Jim Kelly of Starcraft.
I searched Jaedong (sure Flash would have a winning record too) and he is 5-3 against Stork. I know you said not many players have a winning record and I posted to say that Jaedong vs Stork on Persona is in the TLPD twice, is that a mistake or what?
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Felt so bad for Sea, damn that's some bad luck. He still has a chance of advancing if BackHo beats Fantasy right?
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Stork is just like the guy that ever just get's beaten by the superstar of the time... He kinda fails to be himself the super star... Superstars come and go, Stork wanders from shadow to shadow :p.
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Stork is the Karl Malone of SC.
Or maybe the John Stockton.
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Much vs July game was amazing. I almost always am rooting for July, but by 10 minutes into that game I found my self really hoping Much would take the win. It was a lot of fun to watch from start to finish.
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On September 25 2008 09:44 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
That's not really the whole story here. Stork went through a long period where that was all he did, proxy something into carrier. It's a strong style, but he's done it so much that Sea instinctively scouted around the map. That's what's bad about this. A proxy build like that is strong if your opponent isn't expected it, and incredibly weak if they are. He was one matrix away from losing that game, and it's a huge disappointment given the strength of his play lately
So even if he had lost he would have had 15 out of 19 games, and Sea is not someone you are ashamed of losing to.
1) The map didn't favor Stork
2) He already was 2-0 and could go through even in case of a loss, tiebreak in the worst case.
3) The build is generally viable and gave result in the end.
So why is it a huge disappointment again?
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