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Round of 32
Group A
Players: + Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Ticon.png) RoX.Androide ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Zicon.png) Mig.Scout RoX.Biggus Runa.Bylat RoX.Androide 2:0 Rox.Biggus Mig.Scout 0:2 BylatRoX.Androide 2:1 Mig.Scout RoX.Androide 2:0 Runa.Bylat Rox.Biggus 1:2 Bylat--> RoX.Androide and Bylat advance to 1/16!
Group B
Players: + Show Spoiler +RoX.BRAT_OK 3D.Tech 3D.Leprosy Jung[m6w] RoX.BRAT_OK 2:0 3D.Leprosy 3D.Tech 2:0 Jung[m6w] RoX.BRAT_OK 1:2 3D.Tech3D.Leprosy 2:0 Jung[m6w] RoX.BRAT_OK 2:1 Jung[m6w] 3D.Tech 2:0 3D.Leprosy --> 3D.Tech and RoX.BRAT_OK advance to 1/16!
Group C
Players: + Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Picon.png) RoX.Pomi fuSion.Rondo fiRe)cool2be Summer RoX.Pomi 2:0 fiRe)cool2be fuSion.Rondo 2:1 Summer RoX.Pomi 1:2 fuSion.Rondo fiRe)cool2be 1:2 SummerRoX.Pomi 2:0 Summer fuSion.Rondo 2:0 fiRe)cool2be --> fuSion.Rondo and RoX.Pomi advance to 1/16!
Group D
Players: + Show Spoiler +EYE.sc.gOgna 3D.PallMall RoX.lester nikita EYE.sc.gOgna 2:0 RoX.lester 3D.PallMall 2:0 nikita EYE.sc.gOgna 0:2 3D.PallMallRoX.lester 2:0 nikita EYE.sc.gOgna 2:0 nikita 3D.PallMall 2:0 RoX.lester --> 3D.PallMall and EYE.sc.gOgna advance to 1/16
Group E
Players: + Show Spoiler +3D.Demich RoX.Bruce 4p.tokio 3D.Demich 2:0 4p.tokio 3D.Demich 2:0 RoX.Bruce RoX.Bruce 2:0 4p.tokio --> 3D.Demich and RoX.Bruce advance to 1/16!
Group F
Players: + Show Spoiler +RoX.Advokate EYE.sc.u3 imba.ColdFire Breus RoX.Advokate 2:0 imba.ColdFire EYE.sc.u3 2:1 Breus RoX.Advokate 2:0 EYE.sc.u3 imba.ColdFire > Breus RoX.Advokate 2:0 Breus EYE.sc.u3 2:1 imba.ColdFire --> RoX.Advokate and EYE.sc.u3 advance to 1/16!
Group G
Players:+ Show Spoiler +RoX.localhost Mig.Finger Choi_Bay_Dao Nt.Fenito RoX.localhost > Choi_Bay_Dao Mig.Finger 2:1 Nt.Fenito RoX.localhost 1:2 Mig.FingerChoi_Bay_Dao 0:2 Nt.FenitoRoX.localhost 2:0 Nt.Fenito Mig.Finger 2:0 Choi_Bay_Dao --> Mig.Finger and RoX.localhost advance to 1/16!
Group H
Players: + Show Spoiler + EYE.sc.Notforu Casper Fanat_Azgara sleep EYE.sc.Notforu 2:0 Fanat_Azgara Casper 2:0 sleep EYE.sc.Notforu 1:2 CasperFanat_Azgara 0:2 sleepEYE.sc.Notforu 2:0 sleep Casper 0:2 Fanat_Azgara--> EYE.sc.Notforu and Casper advance to 1/16!
Round of 16
Players:+ Show Spoiler +Terran (5)RoX.Androide 3D.Tech 3D.Demich RoX.Advokate RoX.BRAT_OK Zerg (5)EYE.sc.Notforu EYE.sc.u3 EYE.sc.gOgna Runa.Bylat Casper Protoss (6)RoX.localhost fuSion.Rondo 3D.PallMall RoX.Bruce RoX.Pomi Mig.Finger RoX.Androide 2:1 EYE.sc.Notforu (!)RoX.localhost 2:0 3D.Tech fuSion.Rondo 2:0 EYE.sc.u3 RoX.Bruce 2:0 3D.PallMall 3D.Demich 2:1 EYE.sc.gOgna RoX.Pomi 2:1 RoX.Advokate (!)RoX.BRAT_OK 2:0 Mig.Finger Casper 2:1 Runa.Bylat
Round of 8
Players:+ Show Spoiler +Terran (3)RoX.Androide 3D.Demich RoX.BRAT_OK Zerg (1)Casper Protoss (4)RoX.localhost fuSion.Rondo RoX.Bruce RoX.Pomi fuSion.Rondo 2:1 RoX.Bruce RoX.BRAT_OK 2:1 Casper RoX.localhost 2:1 RoX.Androide (!)RoX.Pomi 2:1 3D.Demich
Semifinals
Players:+ Show Spoiler +RoX.BRAT_OK RoX.localhost RoX.Pomi fuSion.Rondo RoX.localhost 2:0 fuSion.Rondo --> RoX.localhost goes to WCG GF! RoX.Pomi 2:1 RoX.BRAT_OK --> RoX.Pomi goes to WCG GF!
3rd place match
Results:+ Show Spoiler +RoX.BRAT_OK 2:0 fuSion.Rondo --> RoX.BRAT_OK goes to WCG Grand Final!
Final
Results:+ Show Spoiler +RoX.Pomi 2:1 RoX.localhost --> RoX.Pomi is the champion!
Results of WCG 2008 Russia
+ Show Spoiler +1st palce - RoX.Pomi2nd place - RoX.localhost3rd place - RoX.BRAT_OK4th place - fuSion.Rondo --> RoX.BRAT_OK, RoX.localhost and RoX.Pomi go to WCG Grand Final!
Interviews with finalists
+ Show Spoiler +
Replays
+ Show Spoiler +Day oneDay two(the download link is right under the big question mark picture)
VODs
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Androide + bart_ok + notforu
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Russian Federation1208 Posts
There is also Advokate (former MyM.Advokate) who is considered now in Russian SC community as better player than Notforu, since he is training harder.
Furthemore, Brat_ok and Notforu didn't get first places in Regionals: Bruce beated Brat_ok and gOgna beated Notforu. So it's not so predictable.
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why didn't EX play?? did he quit BW or what?
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Top favourities:
Androide - 5 times participated in WCG Grand Final (I think nobody else in the world including Korea can say that), 2nd place WCG Grand Final 2005, 4th place WCG Grand Final 2004,
Brat_OK - 3rd place TSL,
Advokate - 3 times participated in WCG Grand Final, one of the best foreign terrans for a long-long time, former member of MyM
Notforu - 2 times finalist of WCG Russia, the best russian zerg.
Close to the top:
gOgna - 4th place WCG Russia 2007, the best russian zerg after Notforu
RoX.Bruce - former iG.Bruce, one of the eldest russian sc-player, one of the best russian protosses, training partner of Androide during three years, current laeader and coach of RoX team
RoX.Pomi, RoX.localhost, Rondo - top russian protosses, winners of many online and offline tournaments, main challengers of top favourities
Pallmall, Demich, Casper, Biggus, Lester, finger, tech, u3 - russian gosu of different races, each of these gosu can take a game from any player above
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On September 10 2008 16:42 Xeris wrote:
why didn't EX play?? did he quit BW or what?
I guess so, he hasn't been training for a long time...
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On September 10 2008 17:26 Bifur wrote:
Top favourities:
Androide - 5 times participated in WCG Grand Final (I think nobody else in the world including Korea can say that)
Only Fisheye I think, but not 100% sure(I think he was missing in 2001).
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androide will qualify as always.
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On September 10 2008 17:49 Guybrush wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2008 17:26 Bifur wrote:
Top favourities:
Androide - 5 times participated in WCG Grand Final (I think nobody else in the world including Korea can say that) Only Fisheye I think, but not 100% sure(I think he was missing in 2001).
JohnRambo 6x
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Why does Russia have so many amazing terrans?
Brat_OK, Androide, Advokate, EX ?!
And is it maybe a coincidence that arguably the best terran outside korea lives in Ukraine which is pretty close to Russia? ;O
Anyways i'd be happy if any of the 4 mentioned above wins. gogo terran!
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will there be replays released for this? russia is such a strong bw nation
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Somehow I'm quite certain of Russia having a unexpected Top3 this year.
A2 and Notforu are inactive to the max...
The only one I'm quite 100% sure about qualifying is Brat...
Gl to everyone tho, lineup seems tough as usual.
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A2/Brat/Local gogo!
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Russia has such strong terrans, I hope Brat_OK makes it. He played some really good games last year's WCG
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go a2 and androide 
make asmodey, flash, ghost and soul proud ( oh yes, memories)
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Russian Federation19 Posts
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Netherlands4511 Posts
This wcg is quite cool! I bet gogna or A2 will win it~
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did like all of RoX qualify?
I got my picks on Andriode, Advokate, and gOgna
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Androide will make it again. He doesn't play at all, just hardcore before wcg and it always was enough..
second Brat, than Advocate if he plays hard
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androides name is so fitting.. cos he is simply a machine :D
kinda off topic, but whatever happened to yAn ? really strong terran from russia/ukraine ( think he was russian but lived in ukraine? )
i remember in TLT2, i think it was him and a2 that were sharing an account or something.
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A2, Androide, Brat_OK 3 T plz, there wont be so many T's in cologne anyway so gogo
Terran fighting ;P
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BRAT_OK for the win, i dont think androide will qualify  ,he is so inactive well at least for what i see
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On September 10 2008 18:19 Tropics wrote:
will there be replays released for this? russia is such a strong bw nation
there is no replays from qualifiers, maybe there will be replays from finals
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On September 10 2008 22:23 TreK wrote:go a2 and androide make asmodey, flash, ghost and soul proud ( oh yes, memories)
yeah, our gosu from early days of starcraft...in fact, Androide played a lot of games with them in 2001-2002...in 2002 asmodey (who even played TV-games in Korea) was a favourite in WCG Russia, but Androide won him and it became his first WCG Grand Final
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On September 10 2008 23:36 psyCrowe wrote:
androides name is so fitting.. cos he is simply a machine :D
kinda off topic, but whatever happened to yAn ? really strong terran from russia/ukraine ( think he was russian but lived in ukraine? )
i remember in TLT2, i think it was him and a2 that were sharing an account or something.
yAn lives in Ukraine, I don't know what happened to him - ask someone from there
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On September 10 2008 23:11 CaucasianAsian wrote:
did like all of RoX qualify?
I got my picks on Andriode, Advokate, and gOgna
Don't forget that Dimaga who won WCG Ukraine is also a RoX-member
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A lot of good players trying to qualify. It'll be a tough tournament.
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yea wcg rus is fucking hot its cool that advokate got 2nd in some big wc3 russian tournament a few years ago aswell, he got some serious rts talent that guy !
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Who is going to "HovZ"s localhost ?
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On September 10 2008 23:16 LemOn wrote:
Androide will make it again. He doesn't play at all, just hardcore before wcg and it always was enough..
Wrong. He plays a lot of clan wars for Rox on ICCL. He also played in the that MST tourney, iirc.
Hmm, I looked for reps but I only found rep pack, that of WCG RU Ekaterinburg Regional Finals (d/l from reps.ru)
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Update: groups has been drawn up.
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keep it up with the updating!
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seems like the stream is only showing WC3 games so far TT
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Yes, unfortunately, they were showing only wc3 so far
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a guy spoke to the commentator and he said that he's goona` give some results and standings for SC and probably will show some live matches but not sure when exactly TT anyway you can check the current standings (not sure if they are updated)
http://www.goodgame.ru/events.php?ocd=view&id=793
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i hope androide will be T all the time and that he will rape everybody
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Netherlands19130 Posts
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Cheering for the Terrans and Pomi. Brat_OK will be deadly this time around.
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Russia is the only nation in the world imo besides Korea where Terrans seem to be able to exert a lasting reign of dominance.
Go A2 and bratok!
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On September 13 2008 20:30 radadaundandan wrote:a guy spoke to the commentator and he said that he's goona` give some results and standings for SC and probably will show some live matches but not sure when exactly TT anyway you can check the current standings (not sure if they are updated) http://www.goodgame.ru/events.php?ocd=view&id=793
The commentator just said that they will broadcast sc-games when the RoX.Bruce is eliminated He is sc-commentator, but now he is still playing
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On September 13 2008 20:40 HaXxorIzed wrote:
Cheering for the Terrans and Pomi. Brat_OK will be deadly this time around.
Especially if he was able to refine his TvZ a little since TSL. In that case we'll be dealing with a VERY dangerous Brat_OK:D
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is androide playing terr now or random ?
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seems like brat_ok lost 1-2 to tech
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Play offs
Androide
notforu Looking forward to
Tech
MiG.Finger
Fusion
u3
PallMall
Bruce
Demich
gogna
Advokat
RoX.Pomi
LocalHost
Brat_ok
Casper
Bylat
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now I see warcraft, when will the starcraft continues?
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September, 14
12.00-16.00 - play-offs
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Play offs
Androide
notforu
Tech 0
localhost 2
Fusion.rondo 2
u3 0
PallMall 0
Bruce 2
Demich 2
gogna 1
Advokat
RoX.Pomi
mig.finger 0
Brat_ok 2
Casper 2
Bylat 1
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EYEballlers have an SC squad? since when?
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why did they put 14th september... omg..
ok, androide won 2:1, pomi won 2:1 against advokate
in 1/4 finals:
androide
localhost
rondo 2 (he made it to the semis)
bruce 1
demich
pomi
brat_ok 2 (semis)
casper 1
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Wow.Androide, Notforu, Advokate all eliminated.
SemiFinals
RoX.Localhost (P) vs fuSion.Rondo (P)
RoX.Pomi (P) vs RoX.BRAT_OK (T)
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brat_ok is a tvp specialist.. I bet he gets top 1
Pomi has improved a lot and I like Rondo so here is hoping!
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omg, 3 tosses... i hate new maps, kme kme... come on brat_ok... only youuu
why there is no LB and why warcraft 3 every time i want to watch live stream.........
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Update: results of the first day
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On September 13 2008 23:35 Beside_kr wrote:
EYEballlers have an SC squad? since when?
Since the end of the august. There are only four zergs in the squad: Notforu, u3, gOgna and ZerGgBoy - very flexible line-up
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On September 13 2008 20:41 minus_human wrote:
Russia is the only nation in the world imo besides Korea where Terrans seem to be able to exert a lasting reign of dominance.
Go A2 and bratok!
Can't tell that by the semi finals numbers... 3 P and 1 T
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so sad thats androids out
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damn, not androide and advokate? jesus :S!
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So many strong players though, I am sure whoever goes to wcg will do well
How many spots are there btw?
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anyone wants andr vs not4u reps?:D
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On September 14 2008 04:46 lamarine wrote:
anyone wants andr vs not4u reps?:D
OMG GIMME
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Update: semi-finals results
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Right now the stream will show the 3rd place match!!!
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Brat_ok 1:0 Rondo
Now they are playing the second game.
Othello
Brat_ok - 5,
Rondo - 7.
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Rondo is making hidden citadel at 12 o'clock - he is going to make proxy darks
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Brat_ok sees it, he is making an acdaemy
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2 darks were killed by mines, citadel is destroyed by rines
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Brat_ok put his barrack behind the mineral line of Rondo and made two firebats
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thanks god at least bratok made it
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Right now the stream shows the game between Pomi and Localhost
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Fantastic performance from Pomi, wow. He's pulled off some upsets - Localhost too.
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Very funny game Localhost made a lot of very bad decisions. He screwed up so many absolute winning situations.
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Pomi 1:1 Local
Game 3, Andromeda
Pomi - 11,
Localhost - 5.
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RoX.Pomi 2:1 Rox.Localhost --> RoX.Pomi is the champion!
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On September 14 2008 18:42 purgerinho wrote:
why there is no stream?
It's finished.
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i love pomi man, such a great guy, he helped me practice for wcg a few years ago
good luck to him in the finals, im looking forward to it
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Congrats Tomato !
And ofc 'GJ' to Localhost and Brat_OK
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Netherlands13554 Posts
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WOW, RoX totally owning it up. Glad BRAT_OK's going. I wish Poland had 3 slots. ;;
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wow great tourney, some unexpected results too
gz POMI
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it would be nice to some german players give poland players place to be few days so they could play at the finals
my best non korean player is out this year.. androide 
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Very hard path for Pomi, damn. Good show from him - and well done to all pariticipants.
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Russian WCG is always pretty awesome. Will a replay pack be available?
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Congratulations to Pomi and Brat_Ok, really impressive results. On a sidenote I'm ashamed the map hacker goes to WCG. Fuck localhost, seriously.
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a country that really needs all there spots
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On September 15 2008 01:04 iG.ClouD wrote:
Congratulations to Pomi and Brat_Ok, really impressive results. On a sidenote I'm ashamed the map hacker goes to WCG. Fuck localhost, seriously.
He was actually very humble and apologetic when he was caught (iirc). He also just won a horribly difficult offline WCG bid to world finals.. I think the guy deserves some credit.
If someone told me that 2/3 of the finalists for Russia were going to be Protoss I woulda laughed.. REALLY nice job to pomi/local that is a tough field to clear! Brat_OK will do great too!
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On September 15 2008 01:35 {88}iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2008 01:04 iG.ClouD wrote:
Congratulations to Pomi and Brat_Ok, really impressive results. On a sidenote I'm ashamed the map hacker goes to WCG. Fuck localhost, seriously. He was actually very humble and apologetic when he was caught (iirc). He also just won a horribly difficult offline WCG bid to world finals.. I think the guy deserves some credit. If someone told me that 2/3 of the finalists for Russia were going to be Protoss I woulda laughed.. REALLY nice job to pomi/local that is a tough field to clear! Brat_OK will do great too!
I'm not saying he's bad but well I just keep thinking once someone is caught he should be banned from any important event for at least 18 months. What I think doesn't matter anyway but honest players don't get enough value nowadays.
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Will the replays be released ?
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iNcontroL
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On September 15 2008 01:43 iG.ClouD wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2008 01:35 {88}iNcontroL wrote:On September 15 2008 01:04 iG.ClouD wrote:
Congratulations to Pomi and Brat_Ok, really impressive results. On a sidenote I'm ashamed the map hacker goes to WCG. Fuck localhost, seriously. He was actually very humble and apologetic when he was caught (iirc). He also just won a horribly difficult offline WCG bid to world finals.. I think the guy deserves some credit. If someone told me that 2/3 of the finalists for Russia were going to be Protoss I woulda laughed.. REALLY nice job to pomi/local that is a tough field to clear! Brat_OK will do great too! I'm not saying he's bad but well I just keep thinking once someone is caught he should be banned from any important event for at least 18 months. What I think doesn't matter anyway but honest players don't get enough value nowadays.
The reason I disagree with that is each hacker is different. Do I think Haypro should have been banned from everything for 18 months? Nope. Will you say this same message after haypro wins Sweden? "Fucking hacker." Probably not! Localhost was banned from everything at that time including TSL (iirc) and he has since then improved himself obviously. Now you can take other gamers who aren't sorry for hacking and continue to make a mockery of the scene... sure, 18months or more would be a good start.
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One year ago I won BRAT_OK
It was 3vs5 game: three pros from the fake-team (fake.BRAT_OK, fake.gOgna and some guy named fake.Neo) against five amateurs (I was among them). The map was Neo Hunters. They managed to kill one member of our team, but we eventually won. After that we played again: there were still three of them, but only four of us And they completely raped us
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Rondo could win. But Rox people made snatch.TT
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sheesh round of 16 = zerg slaying
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On September 15 2008 02:12 {88}iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2008 01:43 iG.ClouD wrote:On September 15 2008 01:35 {88}iNcontroL wrote:On September 15 2008 01:04 iG.ClouD wrote:
Congratulations to Pomi and Brat_Ok, really impressive results. On a sidenote I'm ashamed the map hacker goes to WCG. Fuck localhost, seriously. He was actually very humble and apologetic when he was caught (iirc). He also just won a horribly difficult offline WCG bid to world finals.. I think the guy deserves some credit. If someone told me that 2/3 of the finalists for Russia were going to be Protoss I woulda laughed.. REALLY nice job to pomi/local that is a tough field to clear! Brat_OK will do great too! I'm not saying he's bad but well I just keep thinking once someone is caught he should be banned from any important event for at least 18 months. What I think doesn't matter anyway but honest players don't get enough value nowadays. The reason I disagree with that is each hacker is different. Do I think Haypro should have been banned from everything for 18 months? Nope. Will you say this same message after haypro wins Sweden? "Fucking hacker." Probably not! Localhost was banned from everything at that time including TSL (iirc) and he has since then improved himself obviously. Now you can take other gamers who aren't sorry for hacking and continue to make a mockery of the scene... sure, 18months or more would be a good start.
Haypro was punished and he was banned from everything several months and got kicked by ToT. He had his punishment and it was for just one game. Localhost on the other hand just built all his fame maphacking in whole tournaments for a certain period and he doesn't really deserve the right to play at something as big as WCG this early imho.
You said he was very humble and apologetic but it doesn't really matter how you apologize as long as you are guilty of something. Being good at deciding the best way to react once you get caught doesn't lessen the damage you do to the community.
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On September 15 2008 03:18 iG.ClouD wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2008 02:12 {88}iNcontroL wrote:On September 15 2008 01:43 iG.ClouD wrote:On September 15 2008 01:35 {88}iNcontroL wrote:On September 15 2008 01:04 iG.ClouD wrote:
Congratulations to Pomi and Brat_Ok, really impressive results. On a sidenote I'm ashamed the map hacker goes to WCG. Fuck localhost, seriously. He was actually very humble and apologetic when he was caught (iirc). He also just won a horribly difficult offline WCG bid to world finals.. I think the guy deserves some credit. If someone told me that 2/3 of the finalists for Russia were going to be Protoss I woulda laughed.. REALLY nice job to pomi/local that is a tough field to clear! Brat_OK will do great too! I'm not saying he's bad but well I just keep thinking once someone is caught he should be banned from any important event for at least 18 months. What I think doesn't matter anyway but honest players don't get enough value nowadays. The reason I disagree with that is each hacker is different. Do I think Haypro should have been banned from everything for 18 months? Nope. Will you say this same message after haypro wins Sweden? "Fucking hacker." Probably not! Localhost was banned from everything at that time including TSL (iirc) and he has since then improved himself obviously. Now you can take other gamers who aren't sorry for hacking and continue to make a mockery of the scene... sure, 18months or more would be a good start. Haypro was punished and he was banned from everything several months and got kicked by ToT. He had his punishment and it was for just one game. Localhost on the other hand just built all his fame maphacking in whole tournaments for a certain period and he doesn't really deserve the right to play at something as big as WCG this early imho. You said he was very humble and apologetic but it doesn't really matter how you apologize as long as you are guilty of something. Being good at deciding the best way to react once you get caught doesn't lessen the damage you do to the community.
Neither does punishing them after they are caught? We care/do both anyhow because we are human. Nobody can reverse the damage they cause.. but if they can repent and make an honest effort to clean up they deserve our support as well. If we don't distinguish between the hacker that is sorry and the hacker that continues to hack and laugh at us there is no impotice for them to change.
PS: Localhost was banned and punished too. Check Rus_Brain's blogs for more detail but Localhost was removed from RoX, banned from all tourneys and shamed severely. Despite all that he made an honest effort to bounce back all the while taking accountability for his misdeeds.
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On September 15 2008 03:43 {88}iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2008 03:18 iG.ClouD wrote:On September 15 2008 02:12 {88}iNcontroL wrote:On September 15 2008 01:43 iG.ClouD wrote:On September 15 2008 01:35 {88}iNcontroL wrote:On September 15 2008 01:04 iG.ClouD wrote:
Congratulations to Pomi and Brat_Ok, really impressive results. On a sidenote I'm ashamed the map hacker goes to WCG. Fuck localhost, seriously. He was actually very humble and apologetic when he was caught (iirc). He also just won a horribly difficult offline WCG bid to world finals.. I think the guy deserves some credit. If someone told me that 2/3 of the finalists for Russia were going to be Protoss I woulda laughed.. REALLY nice job to pomi/local that is a tough field to clear! Brat_OK will do great too! I'm not saying he's bad but well I just keep thinking once someone is caught he should be banned from any important event for at least 18 months. What I think doesn't matter anyway but honest players don't get enough value nowadays. The reason I disagree with that is each hacker is different. Do I think Haypro should have been banned from everything for 18 months? Nope. Will you say this same message after haypro wins Sweden? "Fucking hacker." Probably not! Localhost was banned from everything at that time including TSL (iirc) and he has since then improved himself obviously. Now you can take other gamers who aren't sorry for hacking and continue to make a mockery of the scene... sure, 18months or more would be a good start. Haypro was punished and he was banned from everything several months and got kicked by ToT. He had his punishment and it was for just one game. Localhost on the other hand just built all his fame maphacking in whole tournaments for a certain period and he doesn't really deserve the right to play at something as big as WCG this early imho. You said he was very humble and apologetic but it doesn't really matter how you apologize as long as you are guilty of something. Being good at deciding the best way to react once you get caught doesn't lessen the damage you do to the community. Neither does punishing them after they are caught? We care/do both anyhow because we are human. Nobody can reverse the damage they cause.. but if they can repent and make an honest effort to clean up they deserve our support as well. If we don't distinguish between the hacker that is sorry and the hacker that continues to hack and laugh at us there is no impotice for them to change. PS: Localhost was banned and punished too. Check Rus_Brain's blogs for more detail but Localhost was removed from RoX, banned from all tourneys and shamed severely. Despite all that he made an honest effort to bounce back all the while taking accountability for his misdeeds.
As I said I think his punishment was not long enough for what he has done. If you want to get rid of maphackers you need to be way stricter than now once they are caught, so they know that if they do it again they risk to be erased by the whole community and every tournament for more than a year. This does not affect the ones caught but also the upcoming players who are tempted by programs meant for cheating.
This being said I do strongly agree with you on the fact that people who learn the lesson should be able to be reintegrated fastly. But well you don't really have anything over the internet to discern them from persistent and dishonest cheaters. If you once maphacked and truly understand your mistakes of course this kind of punishment is harsher in comparison to those guys, but it is meant to eradicate the problem at the root.
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If I have time I'll try to translate the interview --- but the interviewer is asking question about who trained how much, etc, not about specific SC things.
Rox had a boot camp before WCG.
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
Cloud the reality you should probably recognize by now is there is no possible way to "eradicate hackers." They are as apart of this game as legit players are unfortunately. That being said there is a way to discern over the internet between the honest players that want to change and the continual hackers. If they are sincere and apologize and make amends they are for real. If they pretend to do as much (Lastshadow) and then go back on that word they will never get the leniency again. Or if they just laugh about it and continue to hack (dino) they never get the leniency offered the player in option 1. Sure it's a trial by error but it is the best answer imo. Had he not been allowed to go to WCG Rus finals Russia would not be sending it's best players.. after all Localhost bested that field offline without hacks.. nobody can take that away from him not you or anyone. So in the world we live in I have a guy who hacked, was sorry for it and was punished (not enough to satiate you evidently) and then came back clean and beat a bunch of top gamers offline.. congrats to him.
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On September 15 2008 04:01 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Cloud the reality you should probably recognize by now is there is no possible way to "eradicate hackers."
I guess this is the main point we do have a different opinion about :p
I'm very concerned about not having cheaters in leagues, tournaments and all the stuff that matters anything in this game. Of course casual players will keep maphacking and I don't even want to blame them since it's their way to spend time on this game as long as they don't gain anything from that. But I'm quite sure the community and tournaments organizators can do much more to solve this problem. We have plenty of room to improve our measures against maphackers and I kind of have the feeling lately we are going the wrong way.
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there is no chance for hacking in WCG, so why do u care about him going there so much?
he earned his spot fair and square
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oh well i reread ur post and got it=) hmm... i think we should give this guy another chance after this WCG
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is RoX.Dimaga the same as player of the game Soldat with aka <{NuC}>Dimaga? When I was a top Soldat player he was one of my friends, we played many games. He was from Russia too, very good player...
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On September 15 2008 09:08 anotak wrote:
is RoX.Dimaga the same as player of the game Soldat with aka <{NuC}>Dimaga? When I was a top Soldat player he was one of my friends, we played many games. He was from Russia too, very good player...
Dimaga is from Ukraine :p
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On September 15 2008 09:29 PaeZ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2008 09:08 anotak wrote:
is RoX.Dimaga the same as player of the game Soldat with aka <{NuC}>Dimaga? When I was a top Soldat player he was one of my friends, we played many games. He was from Russia too, very good player... Dimaga is from Ukraine :p
hmmm maybe i have the wrong one
or maybe i'm mixing up where the soldat player was from... i don't have his MSN anymore so I can't ask him, this was years ago..
Most of the Soldat gosus at that time were from Poland, Estonia, Ukraine, Russia, Finland, Sweden. I was the only USA player on that level...
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On September 15 2008 09:36 anotak wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2008 09:29 PaeZ wrote:On September 15 2008 09:08 anotak wrote:
is RoX.Dimaga the same as player of the game Soldat with aka <{NuC}>Dimaga? When I was a top Soldat player he was one of my friends, we played many games. He was from Russia too, very good player... Dimaga is from Ukraine :p hmmm maybe i have the wrong one or maybe i'm mixing up where the soldat player was from... i don't have his MSN anymore so I can't ask him, this was years ago.. Most of the Soldat gosus at that time were from Poland, Estonia, Ukraine, Russia, Finland, Sweden. I was the only USA player on that level...
You can ask Rus_Brain, apparently he is in contact with Dimaga.
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Russian Federation1208 Posts
Soon will be released first-person vods of Rondo, Localhost, BRAT_OK and Pomidor
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pomidor? :p
it means tomato on croatian :D
well, i had to say it, it is funny :p
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Russian Federation1208 Posts
On September 16 2008 07:05 purgerinho wrote:
pomidor? :p
it means tomato on croatian :D
well, i had to say it, it is funny :p
it means "tomato" not only in croatan - in russian is's "tomato" too he has a very funny nick
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heheheh, man is learning whole his life!
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it means the same in Russian
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Where are the FPVODs you were talking about?
On September 16 2008 18:43 Bifur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2008 07:05 purgerinho wrote:
pomidor? :p
it means tomato on croatian :D
well, i had to say it, it is funny :p it means "tomato" not only in croatan - in russian is's "tomato" too he has a very funny nick
Originating from the Italian pomidoro, of course. Strange how English chose to use the Spanish word.
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Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
It's pomodoro in Italian. And the English chose to use the French word, of course
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On September 16 2008 21:34 Random() wrote:It's pomodoro in Italian. And the English chose to use the French word, of course
That is a typo. Yes, it is pomodoro, and no, tomato is not French.
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WCG08 Ru Finals FPVOD of fusion.rondo (P) vs Brat_ok (T) on Andromeda is available for d/l now. With commentary (in Russian) and rep.-analysis by Bruce. Click!
Lols, he is so apologetic in his comments b/c of the shitstorm.
Edit: Added info.
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Is the FPVOD from rondo's view or Brat_ok's view?
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Russia WCG must be one of the hardest wcg this year, with all those good gamers ....
really sweet
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On September 24 2008 22:47 ahole-surprise wrote:
Is the FPVOD from rondo's view or Brat_ok's view?
It is mixed.. the highlights are showed from both views, though the majority of the game is from Rondo's perspective.
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Sad for Android.
Jaedong will raep that anyway :S
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On September 25 2008 06:43 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Sad for Android.
Jaedong will raep that anyway :S
I don't think Jaedong is gonna win this time tho.
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Russian Federation1208 Posts
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yea EX should have played, hes really stabile in his gaming!
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EPT
