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United States1865 Posts
Detailed Predictions:
+ Show Spoiler +
#1 Lomo looked really good against Flash, he has much more momentum than Iris, and in my opinion, an advantage in a BO1 where you can do some more off-the-wall type things.
#2 No contest. fOrGG is just a better player than Memory AND fOrgg is practicing for his upcoming match vs Flash so his TvT will be in peak condition
#3 LECAF 2v2 WILL LOSE, 'NUFF SAID.
#4 This is the game of the night and could be a big indicator as to whether Much can put up a fight in their upcoming Bo5. I give the edge to Jaedong because his ZvP is the world's best and Much's PvZ... isnt.
#5 If it goes to Ace match, I dont think CJ can stop HiyA.
Results:
+ Show Spoiler +Lomo > Iris
ForGG < Memory
ToSky/BackHo < Kwanro/Nbs
Jaedong > Much
fOrGG > Memory
Lecaf Oz 3:2 CJ
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This is how it feels to a cj fan:
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United States1865 Posts
yeah this is really an all-star lineup from Lecaf, and i'm pretty sure this one of the few 2v2's they have a legitamate chance of winning, since ToSky/BackHo isnt that bad a combo.
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I hate to say this but seeing Lecaf depending most on terrans is sad i loved Lecaf because with them you can see all 3 races dominating i'm so sad that Anytime will not play for Lecaf enymore .  Except for BackHO Lecaf doesn't have a good protoss but if BackHO plays 1v1 the 2v2 team will most likely lose and he is not a guarantee win in 1v1 either ...
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G5 that is a very bold statement. Want to do a sig bet? 
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Lomo vs Iris is a toss up
Forgg> Memory
Lecaf< CJ
Jaedong< Much [What? hes bad at bo1's lol]
Lecaf Ace>Cj ace
Anytime will not be playing for Lecaf anymore? What you talking about?!
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CJ has a great chance of taking this in 3. Surprised people think it will be so clear cut for Lecaf. Lomo v Iris as ScarFace said is a toss up. ForGG has bad TvT and I think Memory can take it, and Lecaf's 2v2 is poor.
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Anytime's joining ACE but I suppose he'll be playing for Lecaf the rest of this season?
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It's not too likely, but even if Lecaf beats CJ and OGN, they could still be out of the playoffs, assuming KTF and STX win their remaining games. KTF would have more points, and STX beat Lecaf both times they played this season, so tiebreaks would make Lecaf the odd team out.
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Come on Lecaf, this is an important match for you, and with that killer lineup, you can't lose.
Remember Lomo's series against Flash?
Remember ForGG's series in the MSL (Kal, Sea, etc)?
Remember BackHo's 1v2 performance earlier this season?
And Jaedong.
Win.
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On July 05 2008 08:06 EvoChamber wrote:
It's not too likely, but even if Lecaf beats CJ and OGN, they could still be out of the playoffs, assuming KTF and STX win their remaining games. KTF would have more points, and STX beat Lecaf both times they played this season, so tiebreaks would make Lecaf the odd team out.
You do realize that the top six teams go to the playoffs, right?
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
why do people think forGG > Memory?
both are pretty mediocre TvT, forGG is practicing for vs Flash, but Memory has nothing to practice but this game
but still, i predict lecaf 3-2
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On July 05 2008 10:46 3 Lions wrote:
why do people think forGG > Memory?
both are pretty mediocre TvT, forGG is practicing for vs Flash, but Memory has nothing to practice but this game
but still, i predict lecaf 3-2
Look at ForGG's vT record this season and tell me that was mediocre.
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On July 05 2008 08:50 xenero wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2008 08:06 EvoChamber wrote:
It's not too likely, but even if Lecaf beats CJ and OGN, they could still be out of the playoffs, assuming KTF and STX win their remaining games. KTF would have more points, and STX beat Lecaf both times they played this season, so tiebreaks would make Lecaf the odd team out. You do realize that the top six teams go to the playoffs, right?
I thought one of the Admins already stated that it is only the top 4 this season and they'll implement the top 6 next season. -_-
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Nope, top 6. Will anyone be posting a stream?
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
lomo is sexy. he will win!
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
CJ will lose in 3 or 4. Their lineup just isn't as good as it used to be.
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Proxy fac for lomo, Iris FE
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Lomo lifts factory and lands it in the corner of Iris' base, Proxy Starport for Lomo as well.
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+ Show Spoiler +2 vultures ravaged Iris' scv and marines, wraiths from 2 starports proceeded to finish him off. Lomo really likes wraiths 
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is the daum stream not working for anyone else?
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I think all the rooms in daum for both games are full, usually they are fast in adding more rooms. They dont seem to be adding anymore this time though.
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how you get the daum player to work? It shows Daum Beta on the start screen but there's nothing to the right of the screen like the usual sidebar.
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The room is full. Is there a stream on VLAN or Win Media Player available? I can't get into the Lecaf game :-(
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nvm I made it in. YESSSSSSSSSSSS
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Xenero: try pressing F7
Looks like they added more rooms for both games.
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You have to click the boxes for the right panel to appear.
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Kentor
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Both started off with similar builds, Forgg got his expansion up and running quite a bit faster than Memory. Forgg decides to build gols, vultures, and tanks. Memory building tanks and vultures only.
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Memory with his tank advantage pushes to Forgg' base, now sieging near his natural, but unsieges and moves to Forgg's expansion in the middle. Forgg's wraiths are pecking at his tanks.
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Memory has his mineral only up, while Forgg is lifting his CC to the mineral only. Memory also has an expansion up at the bottom right. Wraiths still pecking at Memories tanks.
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Forgg vultures raid Memory's undefended bottom expansion killing tons of scvs.
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Memory decides to join in the wraith fun, pecking away at Forgg's tanks. Memory's vultures attack a bunch of sieged tanks, a mine goes off destroying them all.
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Memory building up a group of wraiths, Forgg takes control of the middle.
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Memory's wraiths attack the middle, Forgg unprepared for them. Tanks defenseless.
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
memory just attack moving with wraiths and unseiged tanks.
gg forgg got rolled :/
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Memory pushes with his full force, taking out Forgg's army. As Memory sieges his natural, Forgg GGs.
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Wow.... that was a gg and Memory played it well
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hahahaha forgg loses to a mediocre terran player, good sign for Flash fans. Wee! :D
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On July 05 2008 14:55 ScarFace wrote:
hahahaha forgg loses to a mediocre terran player, good sign for Flash fans. Wee! :D
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Yes, proxy fact and wraith pew pew
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Yup, so far it's 1:1 (Lomo > Iris and Memory > fOrGG)
CJ is probably going to take 2v2. Lecaf's 2v2 team has always been their weak point and Nbs is well, Nbs.
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Lomo won with a proxy fac against Iris' 14cc, also decided to proxy one starport and let his favorite units finish him off :p.
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Lomo > IriS
forGG < Memory
ad fight now , 2v2 coming
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Shit........Iris not as hot anymore. At least Memory won a tvt, but it was against fellow horrible tvt player Forgg XD
Go Nbs!
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Yes, now we get to see Jaedong.
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CJ 11/8 Lecaf 3/5
Lecaf protoss proxy gating.
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Proxy gate is discovered as the first zealot warps in, nice defense by kwanro only losing one(i think) drone.
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Proxy gate a complete failure, zealots and lings take the gate and pylon out.
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Well handled by Memory, and absolutely terrible proxy gate from Lecaf has brought the game to an interesting series of events.
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CJ lings/zeals engage yellows lings in the middle. 3 lings are the last lings standing for lecaf.
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Kwanro's lings sneak into yellows base, killing 2 drones before getting taken out.
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Lecaf toss has DTs, but is unable to do anything with them, corsairs running around for CJ.
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Lecaf attackign kwanros base with zeals, lings, and an archon. Mutas are out as this happens and attack fails.
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A group of lecaf scourges attempt to blow away kwanro's mutas, but micro and friendly corsairs destroy them.
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Kwanro harassing a outlying hatchery and takes it out. He proceeds to kill the defending hydras and prevents mining while killing the nearby spire.
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Backho has had his expansion up for a while, and is moving around the middle with archons. CJ toss building cannons on the high ground above backhos natural.
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Backho attempted to clear the cannons with a shuttle of zeals, but templars and cannons destroy them. Lecaf moving around the middle with their combined army.
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Backho has another expansion up and running while CJ toss only has his natural.
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Kwanros lings make it through Lecaf zergs defense, but doesnt do much. Gaurds sieging backhos nat, but are stormed.
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Kwanro has 1gaurd attacking backhos second expansion. Lecaf decides to attack teal with tons of archons zeals and hydras.
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Archons come out on top but yellows base was totaled
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Yellow is eliminated and Backho is in teals base with a few archons.
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Gaurdians heading to aid teal. Archons retreat, but kill a few gaurds along the way.
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Backho has no running bases, but kwanro did not expand, and his ally has no expansions as well.
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DT prevents teal from expanding. Gaurds attacking backho's probes trying to get a few minerals. Backho has a lot of archons.
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Connection went out as it was about to end <.< guessing something happened to the archons and CJ wins!
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Wow. That was an awesome 2v2, and I thoroughly enjoyed Backho's strategy. His partner sucked ass
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I'm currently watching this and the lag is terrible. Anyway to fix it?
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say hello to the near future ace match because  Jaedong's gonna stomp  Much
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LEE JAE DONG FIGHTING!!!!!!
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PARK YOUNG MIN FIGHTING!!!!!
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Game Start!
Jaedong 12, Much 8
Jaedong's overlord going in the right direction.
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Much scouting around Jaedong's base, nothing exciting (Yet!).
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Much's scouting probe was taken out and is unable to get another probe in, jaedongs lings wont allow it.
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Hydras spawn and run toward much's base. A lone DT spots the movement.
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Much starting citadel now, Jaedong with 3 hatches/bases running...
2nd gateway up for much, Jaedong has his hydra den. 4th hatch going up.
Much has his templar archives up, HT/DT just popped up. (he looks especially old today)
Hydras going to Much's wall, but gets repelled by DT for now.
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Jaedong hesitating to attack, overlord now accompanying hydras.
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Much cannons going up for Much!
Jaedong runs far far, too many cannons.
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Hydras feign an attack and are camping outside Much's base. Much has a DT roaming hte map, but an OL spots it before it can do anything.
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Lurkers out, Jaedong moves in to attack Muchs front Gate, a storm kills one lurker.
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Jaedong taking control of the map and expanding steadily. One DT still roaming around, seeing the expansions. Hive going up for jaedong.
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Much puishing out with zeals temps and dragons, Jaedong gets his sole observer as he moves out, stopping him for a bit.
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Jaedong's taken his 4th now (min only).
Jaedong takes out Much's observer and stalls him for a bit.
Much taking his third now.
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Much gets a good storm off jaedongs drones from the bottom, lings come in as this happens and forces Much to cancel his expansion.
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Jaedong is so sick at this matchup it's not even funny
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Nice sneaky lings for Jaedong takes out the nexus and forces much to restart it.
Defilers out for Jaedong.
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A few lings are thrown away at Much's second expansion. Defilers out!
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That is much lurker ling, yes?
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A few more lings sacraficed trying to move in front of Much's main. Much expanding again at the min only. Lings come in and attempt to stop it, but are killed by cannons.
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JD is delaying those expansions well
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Jaedong forces Much to cancel his 4th
Nice plague gets some of the army, Much retreats
Jaedong going for a drop!!
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Fake drop hahahaa
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I love how JD turned his weakest matchup into one of his best
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PIMP JAEDONG OMG
Fakes drop to the main then sneaks lings/defiler around to take out the 3rd!!!!!!!!!!
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Tons of Ols moving about Muchs area, swarm on muchs second expansion! Lings take out his nexus
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THEN A REAL DROP TO THE NATURAL OF MUCH TAKES IT OUT OMG JAEDONG JAEDONG JAEDONG
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omg this is some sick zerg play man
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Drop on Muchs natural, swarms and lings everywhere.
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Massive plague gets much's army!!!! Much down to 1 BASE
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Much running of fof 1 base. gg
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hoooooly crap jaedong!! <3 this is the first game i've watched live in a while and it's a huge treat
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Lings move in toward Much's second expansion as this is going on, nexus taken out. Mineral only nexus is also swarmed.
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Now he delays much's attempt at recovering his third, the nexus goes down for a 5th? time
Much just has a bunch of plagued units running around now... nothing mining at his main either.
Jaedong has his ultra den up.
He's going to close it up soon me thinks.
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Much storms Jaedongs second expansion from the bottom again, only getting one drone. Hidden dragoons that evaded a ling patrol stop an expansion attempt.
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Templars from the ledge above jaedong's min only get stormed, all are killed.
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much please gg now i want to see ace
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Game's not over yet.
Much is at 3 weapon upgrades. Ultras out for Jaedong now.
Massive storms take out drones at Jaedong's 4th
WOW THAT IS 7 ULTRAS STANDING THERE.
Jaedong' s got such a massive lead its not even funny.
he's got much's reinforcements contained inside his base haha
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ling raids to waste storms. ultras mop up
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Ultraling heading up to main now, this is it guys.
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Much only has his min only up. Ultras are out.
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Jaedong making this slow and painful, looks like much wont stand a chance in the semi final.
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5/3 ultras out... much is so fucked
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Jaedong doesn't even bother with swarm and runs over the protoss base with ultras and a few lurkers.
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Wouldnt it be sick to see Flash vs Jaedong again in an MSL final? It's Bisu vs. Savior EPIC type shit
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Much's army is split in 3 different places. 15 ultras 6 lurkers and much lings storm into much's base.
This is it.
Much just gg please you have no gateways..
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Much awkwardly still in the game, he will fight to the last dragoon.
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why hasnt much gged yet... :|
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he should consume an ultralisk to embarrass much
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Jaedong's army moves down to wipe out Much's only remaining base.
Much, with only two cannons and two dragoons left versus Jaedong's 18 ultras, GGs.
Lecaf 2:2 CJ.
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Much finally ggs as he is about to be eliminated.
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Jaedong has the fire in his eyes back. That's the fire needed to make it to another finals and be a Bonjwa
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Jaedong is great at taking the fourth game to the ace, he did it last time versus KTF and now he does it again...
Jaedong looks fierce.
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jaedong is soo ON today its not even funny
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So how is CJ going to be able to take a game off Lecaf's ace?
Man, CJ used to be such a powerful team... now they have no aces.
This also shows how the Much vs Jaedong series is going to turn out...
3:0 Jaedong?
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I think Jaedong may go in for the ace match. His coach just approached him. Wouldn't that be sick?
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United States1865 Posts
ForGG for ace today instead of HiYa.
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REMATCH LO FUCKING L. GOD NO
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Memory for ace hahaha wow.
Rematch!
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I think ForGG will take this. He is awesome at bouncing back, as he showed vs Kal.
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damn both aces are tvts
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ForGG is good and I like him... but the Lecaf coach must know something huge we all don't know if he's going to send him out for a rematch to a player he just lost to.
I'd be more confident in sending out Jaedong
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I still think ForGG is a stronger player than Memory so hopefully Lecaf pulls a win here. Although I would rather Jaedong or another play come out just to see something other than T v T >.<
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
On July 05 2008 16:21 Exhale85 wrote:
ForGG is good and I like him... but the Lecaf coach must know something huge we all don't know if he's going to send him out for a rematch to a player he just lost to.
I'd be more confident in sending out Jaedong the coaches submit their players for ace without knowing who will be sent out by the opposing coach
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On July 05 2008 16:12 Carefree Me wrote:3:0 Jaedong?
nono it will be 3:1 for Jaedong and jd will lose the first game ;;
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Forgg at 10, Memory at 1
Both went for barracks and refinery first.
Memory scouting first in the wrong direction, Forgg scouting diagonally.
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which color is forGG? I thought he was supposed to be blue
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Forgg turns to the bottom left and sees Memory's scout on the way.
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dual proxy starports from Memory!
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Forgg unfortunately scouts memory last, and is unable to get his scout into Memory's base.
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Forgg went 1 Fac port, wraiths for Memory attacking
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Forgg gets his comstat up, Memory still building his, but a lot more wraiths for Memory taking out scvs.
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asdhyaisudYAdyY GO FORGG CHEER FOR HIM GOD DAMNIT
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FIRE BAT FIRE BAT FIREBAT
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Forgg building marines and firebats in Memory's base, it looked like it should have been seen by the scvs though. . .
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Forgg pushes wraiths out of his base, and scouts the dual proxy ports. Memory tries to fly away but gols are right on them.
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1 Port goes down, the other in red. Memory scans Forggs wraiths and takes them all out. Forgg trying to push toward Memory with his gols and tanks.
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Wow... props to ForGG for handlign that so well
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Memory still has a sizeable amount of wraiths. Forgg now expanding to his natural, while Memory hasnt started yet.
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Forgg has a contain up just outside Memory's nat, a tank line forms. Memory harrasing with his wraiths, most are taken out.
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wtf is forgg thinking. he just lost 3 tanks and did no damage
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Memory trying to inch out of his base slowly, tanks are traded. Memory manages to take out most of Forgg's tanks.
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Memory pushes out, both armies are destroyed with Memory coming out slightly ahead. He is now expanding to his second expansion.
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this should slow down memory enough for forgg to get back in the game
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Two wraaiths for Forgg pecking at tanks and SCVs, no armory and gols for memory.
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Second expansion now up and running for Memory, Forgg has a hidden expansion at the bottome left second expansion.
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Memory manages to get his tanks in a good position in front of Forgg's natural, forcing the CC to lift.
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Memory just attack moving toward Forgg's second expansion, loses tanks carelessly and is stopped.
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Memory's siege at Forggs natural was also take out and Forgg decides to attack, sieging behind the wall behind Memory's second expansion.
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Memory has another expansion up at the bottom right, another expansion attempt from Memory is scouted and slowed by wraiths. Dropships moving out for Forgg
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Wow. ForGg is staging a comeback. It all depends if he can hold off this counter.
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Dropships drop units on Memory's natural ledge. Gols are also attacking Memorys bottom right.
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Memory attempts destroy Forgg's second expansion, but Forgg defends.
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Forgg now moving out with his tanks and gols toward Memorys main. A huge battle happens and Forgg is forced to retreat from angry scvs.
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Forgg drops Memory's bottom right, Forgg lifted his second expansion to another location and is mining again.
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Memory has his natural and second expansion with few minerals. Both will starve soon at this rate.
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Forgg staging an attack on Memory's main, droping tanks and then picking up other tanks waiting nearby.
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Will this gamble pay off for ForGG? he lost his resources
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Forgg fighting hard to end the battle before Memory's resource advantage kicks in.
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omg. ForGG is such a pimp. I can't believe he made a come back
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I nominate this as one of the best games of the year
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Forgg still fighitng in Memory's base, taking out a few supply depots. Forgg now sieging Memory's second expansion. Memory defends with scvs and tanks.
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Memory has expanded to the mineral only, Forgg fighting time now.
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Forgg with his mass of tanks and gols pushing toward Memory's main!
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Appearantly I am blind and Forgg had his second expansion up for a while ;p sorry about that.
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YES YE SYE SYES YE SYES YES YES YES YES YES YE SYES YES YES YE YS YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YE SYES YES YES YE SYES
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Forgg pushed up and sieges Memory's factories, he ggs! Forgg wins it for lecaf!
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LECAF FIGHTING POWER! GO JAEDONG AND CO.!
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Lecaf is looking pretty vulnerable as of late... but they're still making it to the playoffs.
OGN came out of nowhere though.
Wow.
These playoffs will be interesting.
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I thought it was pretty nice that forgg and memory played again. I actually enjoy TvT, it gets pretty intense at a mental level (well all sc is but maybe I'm just dreaming). Pretty fun games I thought.
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Forgg is an engima to me, and I am hoping someone with a better knowledge of TvT can comment on this a little more in-depth. His TvP skills in timing pushes and ridiculous macromanagement lend itself well to a strong TvT game based on those grounds. Now, because of my pretty blaze grasp of TvT, the major reasons I see forgg losing in the games I watch are his poor strategy (I believe there was a good TvT between him and Sea[Shield] which illustrated this, Sea using the terran so much more efficiently) etc and his poor dropship control.
tl;dr, any other glaring weaknesses in his play?
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Tx for the LR's.
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Awesome!
I went 2/2 today! Whoopee! And no one took any of my bets this time, shucks.
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Lomo vs Iris
innovative play as expected by Lomo. Proxy lifted factory in TvT LOL. Then it transitioned into cloaked wraith. Thankfully, it paid off for Lomo.
ForGG vs Memory
Losing so much vultures early on, made ForGG lose early map control and forced to defend. With a huge econ advantage, Memory proceedes to mass wraiths and overwelm ForGG's ground only army.
2v2
Lecaf's proxy gateway scouted which then goes downhill from there. It set the tone for he rest of the match. CJ control the air, while Lecaf, the ground. Air control denies any expansion attempts, so in the end, Lecaf GGs.
Jaedong vs Much
Difficult map for zerg, but Jaedong with incredible ZvP skills overcomes all. Much basically lost when Jaedong stopped Much's 3rd gas expansion. Stopping Much's counter attack secured the win. With the defiler/lurker usuage, Jaedong played it like ZvT. Expect to see more abuse of defiler/lurker in future ZvP matches. It's too good, not to use.
ForGG vs Memory
Very close game. ForGG had an early advantage with his contain at Memory's expo. Bad micro lost him that advantage and swung the advantage back to Memory. ForGG should had taken the 3rd gas during that contain. In the end, the doom drop stop Memory's econ advantage from gaining momentum. Unable to make units, Memory eventually GG. It's been a long time, seeing TvT base doom drops that change a 65% loss into a win.
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