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[MSL] Arena 2008: Round of 32 Group A, May 1st - Page 34

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teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-02 15:03:12
May 02 2008 14:54 GMT
#661
Jaedong played perfectly in those two ZvP's.. damn. He had scouting lings placed all over the map and even in Bisu's nat. Seems like the "Bisu build" has long been figured out and he really isn't playing anywhere near his former self. Kal put up a better fight against JD in their MSL finals series.
Tien
Profile Joined January 2003
Russian Federation4447 Posts
May 02 2008 16:14 GMT
#662
Macro >>> Bisu build.


Savior doesn't macro for his life that's why he lost vs Bisu.
We decide our own destiny
lxginverse
Profile Joined May 2008
Monaco1506 Posts
May 02 2008 17:54 GMT
#663
bisu sucks ~


i hope hwasin goes far here
fromis_9 enjoyer
MoNKeYSpanKeR
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2869 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-03 00:42:09
May 03 2008 00:41 GMT
#664
wohooo 4/4
gogo jaedong/hwasin hwaittingggg.

and was the jaedong/hwasin game good? Or was it cheesy?
<3's Mani and Seraphim, thx for the second chance. TSL Name: TSL-mSLeGenD
MoNKeYSpanKeR
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2869 Posts
May 03 2008 00:43 GMT
#665
On May 03 2008 01:14 Tien wrote:
Macro >>> Bisu build.


Savior doesn't macro for his life that's why he lost vs Bisu.

....What?

sAviOr [i]was[i/i] macro management July beat him with micro builds too, that hydra move on Blue Storm. sAviOr was a macro player thasts why he was good, his 3 hatch build was macro orientated aswel as timing based.
<3's Mani and Seraphim, thx for the second chance. TSL Name: TSL-mSLeGenD
Tien
Profile Joined January 2003
Russian Federation4447 Posts
May 03 2008 00:46 GMT
#666
On May 03 2008 09:43 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2008 01:14 Tien wrote:
Macro >>> Bisu build.


Savior doesn't macro for his life that's why he lost vs Bisu.

....What?

sAviOr [i]was[i/i] macro management July beat him with micro builds too, that hydra move on Blue Storm. sAviOr was a macro player thasts why he was good, his 3 hatch build was macro orientated aswel as timing based.



3 hatch build does not = macro.


6 hatch, 4 base Jaedong style = macro.


We decide our own destiny
Sigrun
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1655 Posts
May 03 2008 01:24 GMT
#667
Savior made the macro style Zerg mainstream with his three hatch build.
Jaedong improved on it by throwing down more hatcheries.
Graphics
Darkmole
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States900 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-03 02:11:12
May 03 2008 02:10 GMT
#668
in my opinion i think Bisu kinda played horrible against Jaedong... he thinks that dt still effective against zerg but now every zerg players knows Bisu build....
on Hwasin vs Jaedong was the map favored to terrans? or is it that everybody has figured out Jaedong plays against terrans?
Ancestral
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3230 Posts
May 03 2008 02:30 GMT
#669
On May 03 2008 11:10 Darkmole wrote:
in my opinion i think Bisu kinda played horrible against Jaedong... he thinks that dt still effective against zerg but now every zerg players knows Bisu build....
on Hwasin vs Jaedong was the map favored to terrans? or is it that everybody has figured out Jaedong plays against terrans?

I'm certainly a n00b at strategy, but Bisu, more than any other player who had a very "signature" style, seems to me to be completely unable to adapt. He uses an almost identical build every single time versus Zerg. Just as Savior didn't adapt to his aggressive style in MSL finals, he doesn't adapt to anything ever.
The Nature and purpose of the martial way are universal; all selfish desires must be roasted in the tempering fires of hard training. - Masutatsu Oyama
weiliem
Profile Joined January 2008
2073 Posts
May 03 2008 02:35 GMT
#670
yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i'm damn happy that (P)Bisu losses to (Z)Jaedong. (P)Bisu cant get his revenge just as (Z)sAviOr cant do his revenge to (P)Bisu. but 4 (Z)sAviOr, i feel sad 4 him by not getting the revenge but 4 (P)Bisu not getting his revenge, its just happy. so happy (P)Bisu get kicked of
Oppa feeding style
Wizard
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Poland5055 Posts
May 03 2008 04:02 GMT
#671
On May 03 2008 11:35 weiliem wrote:
yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i'm damn happy that (P)Bisu losses to (Z)Jaedong. (P)Bisu cant get his revenge just as (Z)sAviOr cant do his revenge to (P)Bisu. but 4 (Z)sAviOr, i feel sad 4 him by not getting the revenge but 4 (P)Bisu not getting his revenge, its just happy. so happy (P)Bisu get kicked of

what
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zincsterio
Profile Joined March 2008
119 Posts
May 03 2008 04:17 GMT
#672
Okay guys, I have a question from the Jaedong/Hwasin game. Near the end, there seemed to be some major micro errors from Jaedong as he lost about 7 lurkers by not borrowing. I read some posts about his mouse or something (and he waved it toward the camera at the end of game 5). Can someone explain that? Was there an issue with his mouse or something in the Hwasin game?
EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-03 04:20:31
May 03 2008 04:19 GMT
#673
wow, hwasin's a fucking gangster
On May 03 2008 01:14 Tien wrote:
Macro >>> Bisu build.


Savior doesn't macro for his life that's why he lost vs Bisu.


... you're joking right?
._.
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
1133 Posts
May 03 2008 04:24 GMT
#674
Bisu played with no confidence and his style really didn't match the open nature of the maps.

I hope he isn't slumping, he's a really great player on so many levels.
:D
antelope591
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada820 Posts
May 03 2008 04:26 GMT
#675
I really need to stop voting for Bisu every time...but then again my LB is already screwed so might as well keep going haha
allowicious
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States972 Posts
May 03 2008 04:41 GMT
#676
On May 03 2008 13:17 zincsterio wrote:
Okay guys, I have a question from the Jaedong/Hwasin game. Near the end, there seemed to be some major micro errors from Jaedong as he lost about 7 lurkers by not borrowing. I read some posts about his mouse or something (and he waved it toward the camera at the end of game 5). Can someone explain that? Was there an issue with his mouse or something in the Hwasin game?


Apparently he was having some mouse issues during the hwasin game, so the officials offered him a replacement mouse. But isntead of using the replacement mouse, he stuck to his current one, despite whatever was wrong with it. After losing to hwasin, he was pissed off about the mouse issue, so he went out and got a new mouse before the bisu game.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong...thats just what i remember from reading the live report thread
lalalalala~~~
Darkmole
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States900 Posts
May 03 2008 08:21 GMT
#677
On May 03 2008 13:41 allowicious wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2008 13:17 zincsterio wrote:
Okay guys, I have a question from the Jaedong/Hwasin game. Near the end, there seemed to be some major micro errors from Jaedong as he lost about 7 lurkers by not borrowing. I read some posts about his mouse or something (and he waved it toward the camera at the end of game 5). Can someone explain that? Was there an issue with his mouse or something in the Hwasin game?


Apparently he was having some mouse issues during the hwasin game, so the officials offered him a replacement mouse. But isntead of using the replacement mouse, he stuck to his current one, despite whatever was wrong with it. After losing to hwasin, he was pissed off about the mouse issue, so he went out and got a new mouse before the bisu game.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong...thats just what i remember from reading the live report thread


0_0
well thats some nice excuse for him to say that after he beat Bisu on game 1.....
zincsterio
Profile Joined March 2008
119 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-03 19:16:12
May 03 2008 16:06 GMT
#678
What happened to Bisu's corsair + DT build? Wasn't that the build which countered Savior's macro build?
KlaCkoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1661 Posts
May 03 2008 16:43 GMT
#679
3 hatch build does not = macro.


6 hatch, 4 base Jaedong style = macro.





On May 03 2008 10:24 Sigrun wrote:
Savior made the macro style Zerg mainstream with his three hatch build.
Jaedong improved on it by throwing down more hatcheries.



wtf?

Savior was indeed macro style, he used 3 hatch muta to harm/pressure his opponents and then he expanded a fuckton relying mostly on static D to keep him alive until ultras.

Jaedong doesn't play "more" macro oriented than savior nor did he improve his build, he simply reverted back to oldschool july style, prefering mass units over static sunken/lurker defenses something that happens to work way better versus corsair/harrasment focused play.
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