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ProLeague Grand Final - Lecaf Oz vs Samsung Khan - Page 44
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clazziquai
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GUESS WHAT ! I WENT FROM 33 TO 105!! BIGGEST DROP >_< | ||
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Deleted User 31060
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On February 16 2008 19:09 TheTyranid wrote: In other news, this overconfidence is getting me very, VERY worried. I gotta see the games first but judging by the reports it seems that JD made game changing mistakes out of overconfidence. Hubris is the destroyer of Bonjwas! Use your brain Jaedong. in the midst of all of this fbh hating, i managed to find something of value | ||
Last Romantic
United States20665 Posts
On February 16 2008 23:57 Jibba wrote: OH MY GOD CRYING IS THE WORST THING IN THE WORLD HOW COULD YOU WISH THAT UPON ANYONE? Get over yourself. I love it when FBH cries. I love it when Dwade cries. I'd love to see every member of the Avalanche cry at the same time. This is how sports works. We're not cheering when someone gets hurt aka Philadelphia Eagles fans, but we are taking joy in the misery of players we dislike. If that's too "mean" for you, here's an awesome game that might suit you better than Starcraft or anything with competition. What? I can understand being happy if a disliked player loses (Hell, I don't like FBH and was cheering for HIYA and you all know how I feel about ugly players.) but I don't think it's the most manner thing to do going around bashing him and all his fans. When Chalrenge cries after losing (I consider their personalities of the same mold; FBH has accomplished slightly more) there would not be this much insipid and sophomoric flaming. The guy is a bit obnoxious. OK. Fine. So support his opponent; hope for his loss. Since he tried out to be a G.O. practice partner his personality has always been a bit arrogant. But his tears aren't tears of hubris. They are not 'oh, I lost so I cannot perform ceremony' tears. He cried because he felt he let down the team in a critical set, human tears of FBH the person, not FBH the comedian. It's a respectable thing to be sad about. He was clearly more emotional about this loss than about any of his individual league exits. For all his abrasive behavior, he is still a team player and a progamer, who has sacrificed any semblance of a normal life in order to entertain. Hate the character he puts on (God knows I do) but don't hate the person behind it. | ||
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d.arkive
United States843 Posts
On February 16 2008 19:27 fusionsdf wrote: You're trying to turn the obvious into something else It's easy to post a one liner without addressing points. | ||
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Avius
Iraq1796 Posts
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yoofor
United States143 Posts
wake up in the morning finding out EVERY EACH game went exactly opposite as I predicted. I guess I should quit liquidbet...... WTF JD lose to Frozen.... | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On February 17 2008 01:40 Last Romantic wrote: What? I can understand being happy if a disliked player loses (Hell, I don't like FBH and was cheering for HIYA and you all know how I feel about ugly players.) but I don't think it's the most manner thing to do going around bashing him and all his fans. When Chalrenge cries after losing (I consider their personalities of the same mold; FBH has accomplished slightly more) there would not be this much insipid and sophomoric flaming. The guy is a bit obnoxious. OK. Fine. So support his opponent; hope for his loss. Since he tried out to be a G.O. practice partner his personality has always been a bit arrogant. But his tears aren't tears of hubris. They are not 'oh, I lost so I cannot perform ceremony' tears. He cried because he felt he let down the team in a critical set, human tears of FBH the person, not FBH the comedian. It's a respectable thing to be sad about. He was clearly more emotional about this loss than about any of his individual league exits. For all his abrasive behavior, he is still a team player and a progamer, who has sacrificed any semblance of a normal life in order to entertain. Hate the character he puts on (God knows I do) but don't hate the person behind it. He's not crying because something tragic happened, he's crying because he got his ass kicked. That's awesome, and I'm glad he's crying for that reason. I have no problem with him doing over the top celebrations for this very reason - when the "villains" in sports fall, it makes it so much sweeter. | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
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d.arkive
United States843 Posts
On February 16 2008 20:07 Hot_Bid wrote: you know what? i'm happy firebathero lost and cried, and i hope samsung makes the final next season because then there'd be another opportunity for him to lose in the deciding game. you don't have to like every progamer. fans dislike certain players all the time. it's perfectly natural and it's the nature of sports everywhere. i will never, ever in my life respect firebathero or hope that he wins, and i will always be happy when he loses. i don't care if he cries for three months straight. i guess we'll never see whatever retarded ceremony he planned to do in case he won, maybe he should've spent that time practicing TvT. i am unbelievably happy lecaf came out with attitude because they were disrespected by samsung last time and this time in the interviews. a bit of rivalry and passion is never a bad thing. it was stupid for january to predict 4-0 because it's just more motivation for lecaf. don't take your opponent lightly, especially when they are the R1 champs. i'm happy lecaf built a hatch in the samsung T's base, i'm happy they mocked the hell out of firebathero's ceremonies, and i'm happy they 4-1 easy'd samsung even with jaedong losing. easiest 8 points ever. Well, I really didn't particularly care much who won or lost that finals, and I take no issue on that fact that Lecaf one. I don't really care that you're happy that FirebatHero lost, but the motivation and maliciousness is what I do take issue with. First, why do you not respect FirebatHero, even a tiny amount? He is a decent, if not good progamer, knowledgeable about the game he plays (judging from his B-net attack), and lots of people say that he has a very nice personally. The one issue that everyone brings up to defend their hatred is getting old, and is not even bad enough to separate him from the other progamers who have done such over-the-top ceremonies to other players. Even so, you dislike him. That is totally fine; I agree that not liking every competitor is definitely something that happens in sports, and it leads to some interesting crowd dynamics and turns up intensity during some games. Dislike itself might even imply an acknowledgment of skill, that the person you dislike is worthy of being a rival to your favorite player. However, not respecting someone is a totally different beast altogether. This ignores his skill, this ignores the effort he put into the game, this ignores his dedication. Although it may be pleasurable for you to discount those on the spot, they do exist, and for that reason he must contain at least some respectable qualities that all people value. Saying that you don't respect him at all is irrational, and is akin to saying that these qualities are not something you want to display in your everyday person. Having no respect for a player is also different from dislike in the way it adds none, if detrimental value to a sport. Dislike makes you root for the other team harder, makes you more passionate about your favorite winning. Disrespect leads to games being less meaningful (ex: even though FirebatHero made a great play, I'm not going to acknowledge or watch it because I don't believe he can), matches having a bad atmosphere, and a removal of quality (ex: It's not about skill anymore, it's about beating down the other person with any method you have [five pools]). Such ill will in general is pretty bad to have too. Yes, you don't care if he cries for three months straight; Yes, you want him to get back into the finals under the condition that he will always lose the important match. Yes, you don't care who disrespects him as long as long as his opponents in progaming always do.Why don't you add a chopped off finger into the mix? It seems like it will fill all of your desires: he won't be playing anymore, people will not see his retarded ceremonies anymore, yet he'll be suffering horrendously like you want. Sure it may be extreme, but you don't care, don't you? He has none of your respect anyway, he is essentially a non-entity. Of course, if you want him to stay in with your attitude now, it would just be motivated by the embodied wish in your post that he suffer constantly while still playing starcraft, in which case you are merely a malicious person. There is nothing wrong with dislike, and there is nothing wrong with grudgingly admitting that he is someone worthy of respect, and shouldn't have to constantly be put down at all costs because of the few incidents that happen to stick in your mind. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
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d.arkive
United States843 Posts
On February 17 2008 02:17 Jibba wrote: He's not crying because something tragic happened, he's crying because he got his ass kicked. That's awesome, and I'm glad he's crying for that reason. I have no problem with him doing over the top celebrations for this very reason - when the "villains" in sports fall, it makes it so much sweeter. "Ass-kicking", as you so put it, and tragedy are not two mutually exclusive things. Losing a very important game is tragic, losing a game you wanted to win increases the tragedy. Savior was the "villian" in e-sports for quite some time, and when he fell, no one thought that the act of his falling was sweet, but the rise of Bisu was the true treat. Unfortunately, this seems to be the opposite in your special perception of FirebatHero, which is disturbing and sad. Then again, your "witty" quips in your first post really don't help your point out. Interesting how you move from wantonly disrespecting one person to another. Oh, and what Last Romantic said. On February 17 2008 02:34 Jibba wrote: www.kleenex.com Oh, aren't we feeling witty now. | ||
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tKd_
United States2916 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
He played poorly and lost. He's crying because he played poorly and lost. I'm glad he played poorly and lost. You pretend to live in a fantasy world where people shouldn't take pleasure when someone loses a game. That politically correct "everyone's a winner" bullshit is stupid and boring. "Boy, I really respect Duke for playing a great game!" No, Coach K can suck my balls. EDIT: And few people here liked it when sAviOr fell because he is still popular, but Bisu fans loved it, and sAviOr fans loved it when Bisu lost to Mind/Jd/yarnc. | ||
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PePe QuiCoSE
Argentina1204 Posts
I see the player FBH cry, you see the person 이성은 cry. What i say on the internet about a character made by a guy for TV doesn't really matter and has no moral issue or importance or whatsoever. | ||
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d.arkive
United States843 Posts
On February 17 2008 02:43 Jibba wrote: No, losing is not a tragedy. His father didn't die, he wasn't diagnosed with cancer, he didn't get hurt. He played poorly and lost. He's crying because he played poorly and lost. I'm glad he played poorly and lost. You pretend to live in a fantasy world where people shouldn't take pleasure when someone loses a game. That politically correct "everyone's a winner" bullshit is stupid and boring. "Boy, I really respect Duke for playing a great game!" No, Coach K can suck my balls. Tragic: extremely mournful, melancholy, or pathetic: a tragic plight There is more than one definition of tragic... and it was an important game, on which lots were resting on. I think it fits the definition. I really don't care that you're glad that he lost. In that sense, both of us are on the same page. I care about people who are glad because he is CRYING. Not everyone is a winner, some people are losers. But this doesn't mean we have to take pleasure in the loser's personal anguish. ... and duke should be respected for playing a good game... but not liked  To your edit: Yes, but it discounted your villain statement, as Savior was the player everyone liked to portray as a villain at that time, even if they liked him. | ||
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d.arkive
United States843 Posts
On February 17 2008 02:46 PePe QuiCoSE wrote: i think the issues comes down to perspective. I see the player FBH cry, you see the person 이성은 cry. What i say on the internet about a character made by a guy for TV doesn't really matter and has no moral issue or importance or whatsoever. I suppose that works. But don't you think in intense emotion like that, they're not really being their public persona, the player, but letting the real person out? That is what I don't think we should be laughing at. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
But don't you think in intense emotion like that, they're not really being their public persona, the player, but letting the real person out? That is what I don't think we should be laughing at. So it's ok to make fun of someone making a CJ face when they lose, but not ok to do it when they're visibly upset? We should be able to make fun of them in all losing situations. That's how being a fan works. | ||
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d.arkive
United States843 Posts
On February 17 2008 03:02 Jibba wrote: Villain is relative to popularity in this case. sAviOr is popular, so many people don't like it when he loses. FBH is unpopular, so we love it when he loses. His crying is a direct corollary to his loss, and there's a very easy solution if he doesn't want to be made fun of for crying after a loss. He could try winning. So it's ok to make fun of someone making a CJ face when they lose, but not ok to do it when they're visibly upset? We should be able to make fun of them in all losing situations. That's how being a fan works.So villain isn't the word your looking for I feel... And again, loving it when he is losing and making fun of him crying are definitely two different things, no matter how directly correlated they are. Make fun of his gameplay, he deserves it. Make fun of his ceremonies, sure, they're laughable anyway. Crying? not so much. The tragedy is that he DID try to win and yet lost. It's not as if he made a choice to either be made fun of or win. Personally, I don't make fun of the CJ face, but the CJ face can be seen as trying to keep the air of a progamer around them even when losing, keeping the image that for some reason fans like to be malicious towards. That is okay, I suppose, but when a player is so disturbed that he cannot keep it up, laughing at the resulting breakdown is not OK. There are incentives to keep a progaming-esque air around; there are no incentives to break down crying. It is something that cannot be helped and shouldn't be made fun of. All in all, there are better things to jump on FirebatHero than crying. | ||
Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
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d.arkive
United States843 Posts
On February 17 2008 03:31 Rekrul wrote: decorum firebat hero is a fucking faggot that humps the air when he beats people better than him like a little twit, if you don't take pleasure in seeing him cry you're a soccer mom So how did he beat them then? Sure, he definitely doesn't have much in ways of achievements as Savior, but being a sniper is pretty cool too. I'll grant that his ceremonies don't have much taste, though, but the reaction to them is a show unto itself. And gee, I probably am kind of a soccer mom, then, although I was thinking more of one of those hosts on kid's shows. I suppose you hold a very hobbes-esque view of humanity then, if you think that you're supposed to take pleasure in that... | ||
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