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BLinD-RawR
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prosatan
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On May 05 2025 13:50 prosatan wrote: PvP is the most exciting mirror match !! GO RAIN !! I agree with PvP being the most exciting mirror. Should be an interesting clash between these two. | ||
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prosatan
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Let's watch this !! | ||
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Simplistik
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On May 05 2025 17:05 Soft_General_5023 wrote: did rain have first choice picking maps? snow won his group right? Should be Snow first pick. | ||
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On May 05 2025 19:00 BLinD-RawR wrote: Protoss will win. Bold. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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the upside to me is that Protoss will also lose. | ||
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prosatan
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prosatan
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snow takes his 3rd now | ||
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gravity
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prosatan
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prosatan
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132 / 92 supply in favor of snow.. | ||
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gravity
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prosatan
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On May 05 2025 19:33 BLinD-RawR wrote: OOOH that last hit on the reaver coming out of stasis Gold scarab !! took down 4-5 goons... | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On May 05 2025 19:34 gravity wrote: Arbiters now 0-2 on this map despite seeming strong both times. its still cool that we can have games like this, but I understand the frustration of competing on the map too. I'd call it an entertainment map, purely for viewers to see some experimental stuff. | ||
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Simplistik
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prosatan
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gravity
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On May 05 2025 19:36 BLinD-RawR wrote: I'd call it an entertainment map, purely for viewers to see some experimental stuff. Agreed, every game on it so far has been fun. | ||
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gravity
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edit: meanwhile losing base while that was happening, oops | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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prosatan
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gg rain !!! well done !!!! | ||
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prosatan
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On May 05 2025 19:49 gravity wrote: The rare non-dud long range scarab. edit: meanwhile losing base while that was happening, oops yes!! How is it possible ?!!??! | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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Simplistik
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TMNT
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On May 05 2025 19:58 Simplistik wrote: I don't think proxy gates works against Snow unless you can micro four units at the same time. No it doesn't. He's just the best Protoss in terms of micro. Mini with 200 more apm and notoriously known as the most dangerous earlier game player can't even outmicro Snow. That's why he mostly plays straight up games against other Protosses and that's why Rain is throwing all kinds of shenanigans because he knows he can't beat Snow without a BO advantage. | ||
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prosatan
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On May 05 2025 20:08 Simplistik wrote: I don't know about you, but I feel like I've seen this map before somewhere. haha nice !! | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On May 05 2025 20:08 Simplistik wrote: I don't know about you, but I feel like I've seen this map before somewhere. its higher on the street. | ||
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Toshinou-Kyouko
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Snow just dumpstered him hard | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On May 05 2025 20:28 TMNT wrote: BisuDagger why you predicted Rain 4-0 He's an SKT fan. | ||
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Simplistik
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Simplistik
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On May 05 2025 20:43 gravity wrote: How was Rain so ahead in macro that game? Earlier nexus? | ||
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TornadoSteve
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Earlier nexus in PvsP doesnt mean a better macro, in most PvsP games. Rain has a better macro than SnOw period, but is getting microed almost every game. | ||
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TornadoSteve
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On May 05 2025 20:49 TornadoSteve wrote: Earlier nexus in PvsP doesnt mean a better macro, in most PvsP games. Rain has a better macro than SnOw period, but is getting outmicroed almost every game. | ||
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prosatan
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BLinD-RawR
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2 of them for both of them | ||
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prosatan
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On May 05 2025 21:00 BLinD-RawR wrote: you have 3 shield batteries how are you losing goons in your base both a zealot and a good !!!!! how !!?? | ||
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prosatan
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BLinD-RawR
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prosatan
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shuttle goon micro... gg well done snow! | ||
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iFU.pauline
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Peeano
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On May 05 2025 21:04 BLinD-RawR wrote: he dived into the cannon and didn't target it. League micro OP? | ||
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HOLYBATS
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prosatan
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rain is wasting his talent playing lol ... | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
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On May 05 2025 17:43 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: Snow wins either 4-0 or 4-2 ^ On May 05 2025 21:05 prosatan wrote: rip lb... rain is wasting his talent playing lol ... ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/xghKmor.png) | ||
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prosatan
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+ 1 RJB ! | ||
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RowdierBob
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The PvP goat has been slaughtered. | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
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On May 05 2025 21:10 RowdierBob wrote: Snow gonna be praying for a Rush win tomorrow. SnOw and Light have the best shot at beating Soulkey. They're both currently performing better than Soulkey in online. Last three times when Soulkey won, SK was performing better online than either of them. Could be a indication they have caught up. ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/8ofopkX.png) | ||
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Duckvillelol
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He saw the cannon and I don't think he saw the robo (not sure on that) - but I was wondering why Rain built the forge and it does make sense if you've taken an assumption that DT is coming. It also kinda lends towards the idea of pushing the ramp because "there are no reavers". It's still not the most robust logic but it's the only thing I could thing of that explained pushing down that ramp which, from first glance, is one of the dumbest things possible to do. | ||
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On May 05 2025 21:20 Jenia6109 wrote: Why was Snow crying? He realized he has to play Soulkey again | ||
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Simplistik
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TornadoSteve
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That being said, Rush is not out just yet. Hyped for tomorrow. | ||
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prosatan
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Now we have an amazing proleague with: JD , Flash , zero , royal , Best , mini , Light , Bisu , hero and Shuttle !!! | ||
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Bonyth
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Could he sit at the high ground? In my opinion, not. Snow would elevate some goons and reavers and take it from there. | ||
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TMNT
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Either way, going down and getting victory right there seems like a 50/50 decision while waiting on the ramp seems like a 30/70 decision (if Reaver) or 10/90 decision (if DT). He was only favored sitting on the high ground if he had a Nexus or a Robo warping at that time. He had neither and he was down on probes. | ||
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lmao | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
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On May 05 2025 22:07 TornadoSteve wrote: For those who are saying that Light and SnOw have the best chances of beating Soulkey ... YES! OF COURSE! They are the undisputed #2 and #3 since the death of Jesus Christ. We get it. That being said, Rush is not out just yet. Hyped for tomorrow. Did you know that Light and SnOw have the best chances of winning vs soulkey? | ||
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Biff The Understudy
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On May 05 2025 23:53 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: Did you know that Light and SnOw have the best chances of winning vs soulkey? Isn’t our Lord and Savior (not that one) going to come back and save us from Soulkey? | ||
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On May 06 2025 01:29 Biff The Understudy wrote: Isn’t our Lord and Savior (not that one) going to come back and save us from Soulkey? LucifermorningS? | ||
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razorsuKe
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killed and immediately went back to mining so it looked intentional | ||
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Bonyth
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BisuDagger
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On May 05 2025 20:28 TMNT wrote: BisuDagger why you predicted Rain 4-0 Writer’s curse baby! You’re welcome snow fans! | ||
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Simplistik
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On May 06 2025 05:10 Bonyth wrote: freeing up supply for a dragoon We need more commentary like this! | ||
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RowdierBob
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On May 05 2025 22:19 Bonyth wrote: He went down the ramp because he was behind in workers, had no anti-dt tech, was pretty much all-in after that 2-goon failure near the cannon (that was the most critical mistake of that game). Could he sit at the high ground? In my opinion, not. Snow would elevate some goons and reavers and take it from there. Do you think he had an idea of how many goons Snow had? It looked to me as though he underestimated how many goons Snow had given he took out the proxy gates. I think he freaked out being blind and thought he could get Snow in between a tech transition but I’m not on yours or their level so… Just wondering if he could’ve sent a zeal down first to try gauge Snow’s strength first. It’d be interesting to hear Rain’s thoughts on what he’d do differently having seen the game’s replay. | ||
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Bonyth
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Rain did not have a zealot, so he couldnt have sent it. No time to build any either, as he never knew where the engagement is going to happen. Even if he had, losing a unit when commiting such attack is a serious crime. Of course, it's hard to identify probe count status on both sides after such beginnings, but probably Rain had an idea, especially after losing more probes when he sent his very important 2 goons to Snow's main which in the end hurt him more than Snow. The map also forced him into an agressive strat with reverse ramps. All of Rain's actions were justifiable, with the exception of sending 2 goons to Snow's main, which was the risky play, as opposed to killing pylon in the center of the map. | ||
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Sabu113
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Snow party baby! This is our asl. He so crisp. So spicy. Rush is gonna get soul key and it’s only beautiful tvps to the long deserved title. Snow snow snow snow snow snow snow! | ||
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On May 06 2025 08:37 BisuDagger wrote: You’re welcome snow fans! But seriously. You predicted 4-0 in Rain's favor knowing that: 1. Rain is not at the top form as he was back in ASL 5/6/7/8 & KSL 1/2/3/4. 2. Snow has improved significantly since then, to the point of being nr. 1 toss for a long time now. 3. Snow is the best shuttle/reaver user in StarCraft history and half of PvP is all about that. You don't need to answer this, as it's kind of a rhetoric question for all folks who predicted Rain's "domination", which is just laughable given the written statements. Even caster Xun (in the beginning) gave Snow no chance, but he was soon to realize his misjudgement and eventually went with a slight Rain favor, which is reasonable. Snow might loose this ASL still, but just the fact that he got his revenge against Rain was so sweet and well deserved. So now he is not only the best PvT player, but PvP player as well. | ||
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TMNT
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Although understandable, still a bit baffling that both sets of casters, SCTV and Tastosis, have no clue about the current strength level of the players. A quick check on eloboard of Rain's PvP in Proleagues the last two years is all it takes to have an informed idea | ||
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Peeano
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He is better than Sea/Calm/Horang2? Yes, obviously. However it doesn't make him a solid top8 player as many people love to believe, especially not when he loves to play League instead of playing MPL to keep his BW skills sharp. Potential is nothing if you're not putting in the work. | ||
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TMNT
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But the fact that he pratically retired made many daydream and whatif. Because the player who doesn't play is always the best player. So we have people like Artosis who claimed Rain would be a bonjwa or on Flash level had he continued, as if the growing curve in BW is always linear. In fact, most of the times you just hit a plateau and stay there forever, like most of the current active players are doing. And I believe Rain likes to keep this image as well for his benefits. Since he came back to compete, he's always had this image of a talented BW player who is just fucking around with other things while casually getting good results in ASL. So that when he wins people would be like "oh he's a genius" and when he loses it's because "he's playing LOL and not taking BW seriously". | ||
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ruhtraeel
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7 years ago, he was carried by his PvP Without his godly PvP, he's just another average Protoss with subpar PvT Solidly the 4th best Toss IMO, tied with Bisu | ||
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TornadoSteve
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I do agree he's not on SnOw/Mini/Bisu/Best level though, but he is miles ahead of ... well... everyone else. | ||
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