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FriedrichNietzsche
Profile Joined January 2024
92 Posts
March 06 2024 11:57 GMT
#41
Royal so lucky to get through. Fittingly he brought toilette paper. He truly played like shit
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1266 Posts
March 06 2024 11:57 GMT
#42
Beast whyyy did you try ling to catch 2 rack timing. whyyyy!
JDON MY SOUL!
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4267 Posts
March 06 2024 11:57 GMT
#43
clown fiesta
FriedrichNietzsche
Profile Joined January 2024
92 Posts
March 06 2024 11:59 GMT
#44
funnily enough my LB was right.. I was confident Rain wouldnt make it because he is currently super overrated and inactive and just medium..

Royal struggling that hard was scary and surprising
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1266 Posts
March 06 2024 12:12 GMT
#45
On March 06 2024 20:59 FriedrichNietzsche wrote:
funnily enough my LB was right.. I was confident Rain wouldnt make it because he is currently super overrated and inactive and just medium..

Royal struggling that hard was scary and surprising

Rain sandbagged his practice past two weeks... he suddenly was playing random ladder past two days...
JDON MY SOUL!
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3246 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-03-06 12:23:37
March 06 2024 12:22 GMT
#46
Nah he just got build-ordered hard in both games. Would have beaten Barracks and Royal comfortably with a standard opening from both sides.

Rain's tournament luck kind of dried out the last two seasons. Got hydra busted twice last time to go out.
FriedrichNietzsche
Profile Joined January 2024
92 Posts
March 06 2024 12:26 GMT
#47
Yeah that too. However Rain could have won the game vs Royal. He was ahead for a certain period. He lost it with bad engagements (he got very unlucky with mines too ofc).


But I think Rain isn't really that comitted currently - and it shows.
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1156 Posts
March 06 2024 12:29 GMT
#48
8 terrans in ro16. rush group gonna be filled with terrans
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1266 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-03-06 12:59:34
March 06 2024 12:59 GMT
#49
On March 06 2024 21:29 ggsimida wrote:
8 terrans in ro16. rush group gonna be filled with terrans

Top 16 is SnOw's ultimate dream scenario.
JDON MY SOUL!
Lazyer
Profile Joined August 2011
United States388 Posts
March 06 2024 13:09 GMT
#50
On March 06 2024 20:45 Zariel wrote:
Who flew to Korea from the US that the camera panned to? Apparently his liquibet got rekt... as did mine


This was me! Still waiting on the previous season's LB result writeup... I was also in the crowd yesterday, such a fun experience (altho the games weren't the greatest).
HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey797 Posts
March 06 2024 13:30 GMT
#51
On March 06 2024 21:59 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2024 21:29 ggsimida wrote:
8 terrans in ro16. rush group gonna be filled with terrans

Top 16 is SnOw's ultimate dream scenario.

+BeSt's
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5674 Posts
March 06 2024 14:02 GMT
#52
Talented League player 0-2 out. Unironically I was persuaded to LB him over Barracks, but I'm sure I'm just the only one when so many people still believe in and praise Rain.
FBH #1!
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1266 Posts
March 06 2024 14:11 GMT
#53
On March 06 2024 23:02 Peeano wrote:
Talented League player 0-2 out. Unironically I was persuaded to LB him over Barracks, but I'm sure I'm just the only one when so many people still believe in and praise Rain.


Rain got shrekt but I am positive Rain would win a best of set.
JDON MY SOUL!
Yaqoob
Profile Blog Joined March 2005
Canada3395 Posts
March 06 2024 17:06 GMT
#54
I don't understand why Rain didn't take the island base once he had a shuttle. Royal wasn't even close to getting a starport. It seems like a better decision than taking a 3rd in the same direction of the Terran.
김택용 Fighting!
Xeln4g4
Profile Joined January 2005
Italy1209 Posts
March 06 2024 17:11 GMT
#55
On March 07 2024 02:06 Yaqoob wrote:
I don't understand why Rain didn't take the island base once he had a shuttle. Royal wasn't even close to getting a starport. It seems like a better decision than taking a 3rd in the same direction of the Terran.


exactly what i said, T army has an hard time attacking cross position all tanks need to stay in move mode for a long time and are very vulnerable ....
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3246 Posts
March 06 2024 17:56 GMT
#56
On March 07 2024 02:06 Yaqoob wrote:
I don't understand why Rain didn't take the island base once he had a shuttle. Royal wasn't even close to getting a starport. It seems like a better decision than taking a 3rd in the same direction of the Terran.

Actually this is an excellent idea, compared to taking one of the bases on the left side. I guess he didn't think about it at the time. It was a crazy game. But it was hindsight thought though. He couldn't be sure about the dropship thing and I guess both players didn't really know if they were ahead or behind after the rush.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3246 Posts
March 06 2024 18:49 GMT
#57
On March 06 2024 21:59 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2024 21:29 ggsimida wrote:
8 terrans in ro16. rush group gonna be filled with terrans

Top 16 is SnOw's ultimate dream scenario.

Problem is Bisu Snow Light would 99% be the last three picks. Then Soulkey would use his right to put Snow and Light in the same group, probably group C where Rush is the seed. And Rush's first pick would probably be Hero or Action since Shuttle and Barracks would probably be picked already.

Group C would end up being Rush Action/Hero Snow Light.
Muff2n
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom252 Posts
March 06 2024 22:39 GMT
#58
why P expand in the direction of T base, in a narrow enviroment is beyond my understanding ... when they have all left side of map available....can someone tell me?


He was mining out in his main and needed another nexus to saturate ASAP. Didn't have time to be taking an island. Royal was slower to mine out his main, so he had that brief window for a 5 fact push. All Rain needed to do was to delay it and it would have been T on 1 mining base and P on 2. I don't think Rain made a bad decision, just

Rain could have won the game vs Royal. He was ahead for a certain period. He lost it with bad engagements (he got very unlucky with mines too ofc).


this
ruhtraeel
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada134 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-03-06 23:06:52
March 06 2024 23:04 GMT
#59
On March 06 2024 20:59 FriedrichNietzsche wrote:
funnily enough my LB was right.. I was confident Rain wouldnt make it because he is currently super overrated and inactive and just medium..

Royal struggling that hard was scary and surprising


I've been saying it for a long time, Rain being god at PvP overrates him as a player so much and overshadows his mediocre at best PvT. People keep saying he's the best Protoss and a championship contender when he plays, but he's lost so many PvTs to supposedly weaker players that at this point, he's just mini Bisu with better PvP and even worse PvT. I would rate him as the 5th-6th best Protoss right now, behind Snow, Mini, Best and Bisu, tied with Shuttle.

Royal struggling also isn't too much of a surprise for me. He literally played like a god against all Zergs the one season he won ASL, but he's always been super reliant on risky builds, and his fundamentals aren't as solid as someone like JyJ or Rush. I rarely see him win super standard longer grindfests.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3246 Posts
March 06 2024 23:53 GMT
#60
On March 07 2024 08:04 ruhtraeel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2024 20:59 FriedrichNietzsche wrote:
funnily enough my LB was right.. I was confident Rain wouldnt make it because he is currently super overrated and inactive and just medium..

Royal struggling that hard was scary and surprising


I've been saying it for a long time, Rain being god at PvP overrates him as a player so much and overshadows his mediocre at best PvT. People keep saying he's the best Protoss and a championship contender when he plays, but he's lost so many PvTs to supposedly weaker players that at this point, he's just mini Bisu with better PvP and even worse PvT. I would rate him as the 5th-6th best Protoss right now, behind Snow, Mini, Best and Bisu, tied with Shuttle.

Royal struggling also isn't too much of a surprise for me. He literally played like a god against all Zergs the one season he won ASL, but he's always been super reliant on risky builds, and his fundamentals aren't as solid as someone like JyJ or Rush. I rarely see him win super standard longer grindfests.

I do think Rain is a bit overrated but who are the supposedly weaker Terran players that he lost so many times to? If you check ASL history there are only Light and Flash that fit such description.

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