The only map that's to be used in this tournament is Fighting Spirit 1.3. The bracket is played in double-elimination. The losers' bracket winner must beat the winners' bracket winner twice in order to become the champion. The winners' bracket champion only needs to win once. All rounds are bo7 bo7 - this means that each won bo7 gives you 1 point towards the total bo7. This will require you to win 4 bo7s and will result somewhere between 16-49 games per round. Example: 4-2, 3-4, 4-2, 4-3, 2-4, 4-1 Final score: 4-2 (total score of 21-16 -> 37 games played)
The first round starts Sunday, Dec 05 10:00am GMT (GMT+00:00).
Each round lasts 2 weeks and ends on Sundays at 10:00 GMT (+00:00) (this should be displayed in your local time). There will be a holiday break starting December 19th and ending January 2nd, 2022. This means the first round is played between December 5th and December 19th. The second round starts January 2nd and ends January 16th. After that each ending Sunday is the start of the next round.
This tournament is only open to foreigners. Everyone must play on their most known username and join the official FS Mania Discord server: https://discord.gg/UtkRZZSwVW Change your username on Challonge (after signing up) and on the Discord server to your most known username. Signed up players who I cannot find on the Discord will be removed from the bracket. Each round you will be placed into a dedicated channel with your opponent. This is to remove any disputes and to help in advancing players when any matches are unfinished at the deadline.
Due to the sheer amount of games, only selected matches will be casted. And within that match, only a subset of games may be casted. This is at the sole discretion of the casters. There will be a total of 4 community casters during the bracket phase. Every cast will be uploaded to their respective YouTube channel afterwards.
If you set a time with an opponent to play and do not show up within 15 minutes after the set time, your opponent will be awarded 1 point in the series. After another 15 minutes the whole match can be attributed to your opponent (depending on how many bo7s you had planned for this date).
Unfinished matches will be subject to who wasn't available to play. All communication needs to be on the Discord server for this purpose! Failure to do so will result in a random player being advanced.
It's up to you on which server you play. Playing on ShieldBattery is also fine. The game version must be 1.18 or StarCraft: Remastered.
Default turn rate is dynamic. Players can agree on any other TR if they want.
If either player disconnects before the 2-minute mark, the game is replayed. If either player claims to have had a game winning advantage when the disconnect occurred, please contact an admin.
All replays must be saved and uploaded. A place to upload will be provided via Discord once the tournament starts.
Anyone who is participating in the tournament and is listed in the PEP, SDN or OFAC lists is obligated to contact the organiser.
Streaming your games while playing is allowed and even encouraged. For the exception of the grand final.
Players barred from entering:
Players not considered foreigners.
Players who previously received permanent bans in the past, as according to the old gg.net blacklist. + Show Spoiler +
Players currently banned from participating in tournaments such as BSL, RCG, etc., or clan leagues such as BWCL, STPL, etc..
Players currently banned from participating in eSport.fund sponsored events.
Furthermore any players who cause toxicity through excessive bad manner or insulting will be removed from the tournament without warning. The same counts for any form of racism, homophobic or sexist comments, and any other kind of unsportsmanlike behaviour.
Big shout out to LML who organizes, admins, casts, watches streams, mods and actively contributes to the foreign scene. Without individuals like yourself, this community would not exist. And you've been doing this for many years. Here's to you my friend. And thanks Windbeachman for co-sponsoring this wonderful event at a time it's needed!
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I hope this tournament can also serve as a dedication to one of the greatest map makers of all time and a map that everyone has spent countless precious moments of their lives playing on with other human beings, especially in the 2v2 community. Let's celebrate FightingSpirit together <3
This tour is...something else. I don't know yet if it will be fun to watch and I assume it might get exhausting for the players participating but it's a kind of challenge we haven't seen before.
this will be a shitshow of epic proportions, like any eSports title.. hell, not even any traditional sports, literally never seen.. this needs some serious coverage.. xD
For a moment, I thought you have to play 7x bo7 on sunday starting from 11 cet and was happy to see who is the real maniac. But having 2 weeks for it is not so biggie for many players. You know what, even I may join, since it was my favourite map for playing bbs.
Watching/playing FS that many times is pure torture for everyone involved. But nonetheless, the effort into putting this together is commendable. Especially given the sizeable prize-pool.
Prize pool is so lopsided The same players always come in top couple spots and win money extremely often in tournaments. It would be nice to see other people get to share in the wealth. That's what gets more people interested in playing and practicing and increases the talent pool in the foreign community overall but hey, it's not my money and not my decision. It'll be a good day for Bonyth~
Edit: I'm being nitpicky anyways, I wouldn't be complaining about this if there was no prize money at all! So thanks very much to the sponsors for showing interest in BW and for their generosity.
On November 25 2021 06:09 inflection wrote: Prize pool is so lopsided The same players always come in top couple spots and win money extremely often in tournaments. It would be nice to see other people get to share in the wealth. That's what gets more people interested in playing and practicing and increases the talent pool in the foreign community overall but hey, it's not my money and not my decision. It'll be a good day for Bonyth~
Edit: I'm being nitpicky anyways, I wouldn't be complaining about this if there was no prize money at all! So thanks very much to the sponsors for showing interest in BW and for their generosity.
I 100% agree. windbeachman's request was that the winner takes all. I managed to get him to agree that I can provide additional funding to add prize money for more players. That's one of the reasons why the tournament was delayed to now, as I was applying to eSport.fund for additional funds, instead of only providing my own money.
“ That's what gets more people interested in playing and practicing and increases the talent pool in the foreign community overall ”
I don’t think this is accurate at all. There’s no correlation between prize format and talent pool. And I’ve come up with a number of prize formats to test this hypothesis. Moreover, a large chunk of people don’t even play the game and mostly spectate. If you’re referring to the S rank foreigners, then I’d say many of them would rather beat their most formidable opponents and earn the prize than be handed ‘sympathy’ (“you’re all winners”) rewards.
In BW, as in real life, those who work hardest and are most talented (winners) get rewarded the most. Without the profit/reward incentive, you might actually see a decline in the talent pool a la Bonyth, Dewalt, Mihu, etc.
There’s a number of showmatch series and events that use map win prize system anyways and those are open to most competitive foreign players. BW Jeez Weekly has also been offering prizes to everybody for god knows how long and people are welcome to sign up and try their luck.
If the scene needs anything at all to sustain itself and grow it’s this: more people need to donate and help finance current and potentially new events. $1 donation trains should become a thing. If each person donated a tiny amount, we could finance more events. There’s a huge free rider problem in the bw community (sorry to put it harshly). Those who don’t contribute in kind but follow streams and events incessantly should chip in a little. There’s too few doing too much to keep the foreign scene alive and too many not doing enough. This problem exists in the real world as well and is a major reason why it’s on fire. Some people need to be a little less lazy, selfish and cheap and try to help out more.
On November 25 2021 06:09 inflection wrote: Prize pool is so lopsided The same players always come in top couple spots and win money extremely often in tournaments. It would be nice to see other people get to share in the wealth. That's what gets more people interested in playing and practicing and increases the talent pool in the foreign community overall but hey, it's not my money and not my decision. It'll be a good day for Bonyth~
Edit: I'm being nitpicky anyways, I wouldn't be complaining about this if there was no prize money at all! So thanks very much to the sponsors for showing interest in BW and for their generosity.
I don't see any of the BIG foreign names signed up yet who usually win 1st place. Maybe they are waiting to do so? Or perhaps the format is too demanding and they have other commitments? If that's the case, then maybe this tour actually opens up opportunities to other foreigners, contrary to Inflection's suggestion 8)
I see people in the bracket that I don't see on the Discord server, and vice versa. If I can't find you on the Discord server, you will be removed from the bracket before the tournament starts.
On November 27 2021 18:56 Liquid`Drone wrote: 43 signups wow.
Good way for a newbie to possibly get to play 16 games in a row with Dewalt or Bonyth though.
That's exactly what I was thinking, or at least someone who is A rank
There are plenty of high ranking players now it seems? I see at least 10.
Getting to play 16 games against these players is definitely a perk for some, but I can also imagine that it can be soul crushing too, haha. I was looking at the bracket and thinking of signing up but then I realized I'd probably just give up after the first 4-0. It's hard to sign up for a daily dicking from a top player. For those looking to raise their level of play, though, this is a great opportunity IMO
Read the instructions in the channels...players will be removed if they are not following the instructions properly. The discord uses dates/times in YOUR timezone using coding so pay attention to that.
The brackets are finalized by Dec 5 11am CET / 5:00 am EST | 2:00 am PST so make sure you join discord server and brackets before then.
"The first round starts Sunday, December 5, 2021 (5:00 am ET/ 11 am CET)
Each round lasts 2 weeks and ends on Sundays at 5:00 AM (this should be displayed in your local time). There will be a holiday break starting December 19th and ending January 2nd, 2022. This means the first round is played between December 5th and December 19th. The second round starts January 2nd and ends January 16th. After that each ending Sunday is the start of the next round."
After seeing DocHoliday on the BSL cast this past weekend and hearing that he is looking for casting gigs, I am happy to say that he joined the FS Mania casting line up! So now we also have a streamer for the Americas time zones
Last few days of registration! Registration closes this Sunday morning (European time).
Remember to join the Discord and to use your most known username on both Discord and in the bracket. Otherwise you risk being removed from the bracket!
There are 19 players signed up on Challonge who I can't find on the Discord server. If you're one of them, please make sure to join the Discord and use your most well known username on both Challonge and Discord. I know 6 of the players and DM'ed them directly, the remaining 13 can be found below.
Reminder that you have to be registered on Challonge and on the tournaments discord server to be able to participate. Also remember to change your displayed nick on the discord server to your challonge nick, otherwise LML might remove you from the playerpool.
Only 1 hour and 15 minutes left though (from this post).
On December 05 2021 18:59 sasvorti00 wrote: server and ch?
Any you and your opponent agree on. But you should talk to your opponent in the match room on the discord server you have been assigned on, so LML can track your progress .
You have two weeks to play your first round. Remember its a Bo7 of Bo7. So you have to play up to seven Bo7 against your first opponent.
On December 05 2021 18:59 sasvorti00 wrote: server and ch?
Any you and your opponent agree on. But you should talk to your opponent in the match room on the discord server you have been assigned on, so LML can track your progress .
You have two weeks to play your first round. Remember its a Bo7 of Bo7. So you have to play up to seven Bo7 against your first opponent.
You mean a bo7 vs every opponent, not a bo7 of bo7 vs single opponent lol.
On December 05 2021 18:59 sasvorti00 wrote: server and ch?
Any you and your opponent agree on. But you should talk to your opponent in the match room on the discord server you have been assigned on, so LML can track your progress .
You have two weeks to play your first round. Remember its a Bo7 of Bo7. So you have to play up to seven Bo7 against your first opponent.
You mean a bo7 vs every opponent, not a bo7 of bo7 vs single opponent lol.
Actually I mean what I wrote.
You have to play 16-49 games against a single opponent to progress a round in this tournament.
On December 05 2021 18:59 sasvorti00 wrote: server and ch?
Any you and your opponent agree on. But you should talk to your opponent in the match room on the discord server you have been assigned on, so LML can track your progress .
You have two weeks to play your first round. Remember its a Bo7 of Bo7. So you have to play up to seven Bo7 against your first opponent.
You mean a bo7 vs every opponent, not a bo7 of bo7 vs single opponent lol.
Actually I mean what I wrote.
You have to play 16-49 games against a single opponent to progress a round in this tournament.
Wait what. Why that many though. Bo7 in every round is already insanity, isn't?
On December 05 2021 18:59 sasvorti00 wrote: server and ch?
Any you and your opponent agree on. But you should talk to your opponent in the match room on the discord server you have been assigned on, so LML can track your progress .
You have two weeks to play your first round. Remember its a Bo7 of Bo7. So you have to play up to seven Bo7 against your first opponent.
You mean a bo7 vs every opponent, not a bo7 of bo7 vs single opponent lol.
Actually I mean what I wrote.
You have to play 16-49 games against a single opponent to progress a round in this tournament.
Wait what. Why that many though. Bo7 in every round is already insanity, isn't?
On December 05 2021 18:59 sasvorti00 wrote: server and ch?
Any you and your opponent agree on. But you should talk to your opponent in the match room on the discord server you have been assigned on, so LML can track your progress .
You have two weeks to play your first round. Remember its a Bo7 of Bo7. So you have to play up to seven Bo7 against your first opponent.
You mean a bo7 vs every opponent, not a bo7 of bo7 vs single opponent lol.
Actually I mean what I wrote.
You have to play 16-49 games against a single opponent to progress a round in this tournament.
Wait what. Why that many though. Bo7 in every round is already insanity, isn't?
yes byt this is literally the most insanely nonsensical format in history of esports.. mere single bo7 DE just doesn't cut it
On December 05 2021 18:59 sasvorti00 wrote: server and ch?
Any you and your opponent agree on. But you should talk to your opponent in the match room on the discord server you have been assigned on, so LML can track your progress .
You have two weeks to play your first round. Remember its a Bo7 of Bo7. So you have to play up to seven Bo7 against your first opponent.
You mean a bo7 vs every opponent, not a bo7 of bo7 vs single opponent lol.
Actually I mean what I wrote.
You have to play 16-49 games against a single opponent to progress a round in this tournament.
Wait what. Why that many though. Bo7 in every round is already insanity, isn't?
yes byt this is literally the most insanely nonsensical format in history of esports.. mere single bo7 DE just doesn't cut it
Put up 3K and make a tournament with a better format. It's that easy.
On December 05 2021 18:59 sasvorti00 wrote: server and ch?
Any you and your opponent agree on. But you should talk to your opponent in the match room on the discord server you have been assigned on, so LML can track your progress .
You have two weeks to play your first round. Remember its a Bo7 of Bo7. So you have to play up to seven Bo7 against your first opponent.
You mean a bo7 vs every opponent, not a bo7 of bo7 vs single opponent lol.
Actually I mean what I wrote.
You have to play 16-49 games against a single opponent to progress a round in this tournament.
Wait what. Why that many though. Bo7 in every round is already insanity, isn't?
Because the guy that donated 2000 Dollar wanted this format. Trust me, a lot of people (including me) tried to convince him for another format, but he wouldnt budge... so here we are :D
On December 05 2021 18:59 sasvorti00 wrote: server and ch?
Any you and your opponent agree on. But you should talk to your opponent in the match room on the discord server you have been assigned on, so LML can track your progress .
You have two weeks to play your first round. Remember its a Bo7 of Bo7. So you have to play up to seven Bo7 against your first opponent.
You mean a bo7 vs every opponent, not a bo7 of bo7 vs single opponent lol.
Actually I mean what I wrote.
You have to play 16-49 games against a single opponent to progress a round in this tournament.
Wait what. Why that many though. Bo7 in every round is already insanity, isn't?
yes byt this is literally the most insanely nonsensical format in history of esports.. mere single bo7 DE just doesn't cut it
Put up 3K and make a tournament with a better format. It's that easy.
On December 05 2021 18:59 sasvorti00 wrote: server and ch?
Any you and your opponent agree on. But you should talk to your opponent in the match room on the discord server you have been assigned on, so LML can track your progress .
You have two weeks to play your first round. Remember its a Bo7 of Bo7. So you have to play up to seven Bo7 against your first opponent.
You mean a bo7 vs every opponent, not a bo7 of bo7 vs single opponent lol.
Actually I mean what I wrote.
You have to play 16-49 games against a single opponent to progress a round in this tournament.
Wait what. Why that many though. Bo7 in every round is already insanity, isn't?
yes byt this is literally the most insanely nonsensical format in history of esports.. mere single bo7 DE just doesn't cut it
Put up 3K and make a tournament with a better format. It's that easy.
On December 05 2021 18:59 sasvorti00 wrote: server and ch?
Any you and your opponent agree on. But you should talk to your opponent in the match room on the discord server you have been assigned on, so LML can track your progress .
You have two weeks to play your first round. Remember its a Bo7 of Bo7. So you have to play up to seven Bo7 against your first opponent.
You mean a bo7 vs every opponent, not a bo7 of bo7 vs single opponent lol.
Actually I mean what I wrote.
You have to play 16-49 games against a single opponent to progress a round in this tournament.
Wait what. Why that many though. Bo7 in every round is already insanity, isn't?
yes byt this is literally the most insanely nonsensical format in history of esports.. mere single bo7 DE just doesn't cut it
Put up 3K and make a tournament with a better format. It's that easy.
so i cant comment what i think which is literally the whole point of a forum? i never said anyone should do anything ive ever said.. just posting my opinions
On December 05 2021 18:59 sasvorti00 wrote: server and ch?
Any you and your opponent agree on. But you should talk to your opponent in the match room on the discord server you have been assigned on, so LML can track your progress .
You have two weeks to play your first round. Remember its a Bo7 of Bo7. So you have to play up to seven Bo7 against your first opponent.
You mean a bo7 vs every opponent, not a bo7 of bo7 vs single opponent lol.
Actually I mean what I wrote.
You have to play 16-49 games against a single opponent to progress a round in this tournament.
Wait what. Why that many though. Bo7 in every round is already insanity, isn't?
yes byt this is literally the most insanely nonsensical format in history of esports.. mere single bo7 DE just doesn't cut it
Put up 3K and make a tournament with a better format. It's that easy.
On December 05 2021 18:59 sasvorti00 wrote: server and ch?
Any you and your opponent agree on. But you should talk to your opponent in the match room on the discord server you have been assigned on, so LML can track your progress .
You have two weeks to play your first round. Remember its a Bo7 of Bo7. So you have to play up to seven Bo7 against your first opponent.
You mean a bo7 vs every opponent, not a bo7 of bo7 vs single opponent lol.
Actually I mean what I wrote.
You have to play 16-49 games against a single opponent to progress a round in this tournament.
Wait what. Why that many though. Bo7 in every round is already insanity, isn't?
yes byt this is literally the most insanely nonsensical format in history of esports.. mere single bo7 DE just doesn't cut it
Put up 3K and make a tournament with a better format. It's that easy.
so i cant comment what i think which is literally the whole point of a forum? i never said anyone should do anything ive ever said.. just posting my opinions
seriously, just fuck off
Many people who have stupid opinions have learned to keep them to themselves, but I guess you're at the extreme end of that spectrum where it gives you confidence instead.
Anyone can make tournament they want, if you are not liking it, you are not forced to participate. You are free to make your own event, with better format or rules - or even worse rules, it's up to you. That's my approach.
I agree that format is nutts, but I believe this factor is bringing more attention to the tournament. If it will be played out without tons of v/o it will be a success I believe. Personally I wouldn't play it if not LML whom I want to support - but I'm out of time, I believe players are practicing anyway, so it shouldn't matter so much for them.
So often in Bo3 Bo7 you see the less skilled player advancing against the more skilled player by cheesing eight games in a row, which is basically just a coin flip. Bo7 Bo7 is an elegant solution to that problem.
On January 04 2022 22:02 oxKnu wrote: Out of curiosity: Is it possible that this tournament is just a way to farm player data (as in replays) for later processing/traing ML models?
Would be an explanation for the large volume of games needed.
Not that that's a crappy thing to do, I'm just wondering.
Given the wealth of data readily available on repmastered.app, it seems unlikely. This person is also not part of the SC AI community as of now (AFAIK), though of course that may change haha.
On January 04 2022 22:02 oxKnu wrote: Out of curiosity: Is it possible that this tournament is just a way to farm player data (as in replays) for later processing/traing ML models?
Would be an explanation for the large volume of games needed.
Not that that's a crappy thing to do, I'm just wondering.
Given the wealth of data readily available on repmastered.app, it seems unlikely. This person is also not part of the SC AI community as of now (AFAIK), though of course that may change haha.
There's a weight of quality control to this one though (it having some decent prize money at the top). Especially in the last Top8 or so.
So it will end up having at least 100 games of players of decent level on the same map.
On January 04 2022 22:02 oxKnu wrote: Out of curiosity: Is it possible that this tournament is just a way to farm player data (as in replays) for later processing/traing ML models?
Would be an explanation for the large volume of games needed.
Not that that's a crappy thing to do, I'm just wondering.
Given the wealth of data readily available on repmastered.app, it seems unlikely. This person is also not part of the SC AI community as of now (AFAIK), though of course that may change haha.
There's a weight of quality control to this one though (it having some decent prize money at the top). Especially in the last Top8 or so.
So it will end up having at least 100 games of players of decent level on the same map.
Maybe I can sell them to people who do ML models. But personally I have no interest in that space.
On January 05 2022 08:13 Return wrote: Will the replays be released after the event? 🤔😉
I've not thought about that yet. Players are free to stream their games and release their own replays, of course. We've started casting this week and will continue streaming plenty of the games.
The finals are underway. Just like ladder anxiety, there is FS bo7 bo7 anxiety. But the finalists have scheduled some of their remaining matches for this week.
On February 15 2024 04:38 LML wrote: The finals are underway. Just like ladder anxiety, there is FS bo7 bo7 anxiety. But the finalists have scheduled some of their remaining matches for this week.
Is this the single longest Brood War tournament in history I wonder?
Things have changed since the tournament started! 3 of the 4 English casters are not streaming anymore.
Hell, the world has changed! Protoss still dominating tho... ^_._^
On February 15 2024 04:38 LML wrote: The finals are underway. Just like ladder anxiety, there is FS bo7 bo7 anxiety. But the finalists have scheduled some of their remaining matches for this week.
Is this the single longest Brood War tournament in history I wonder?
Things have changed since the tournament started! 3 of the 4 English casters are not streaming anymore.
Hell, the world has changed! Protoss still dominating tho... ^_._^
If anyone knows, it’s my good friend here THE connoisseur of FFA’s, Lucky Noob.
On June 17 2024 16:05 sas.Sziky wrote: This competition deserved more respect and the people whos sponsored it. well i play willingly for 1900 dollar, whats the problem seriously ?
To me, the problem was the format. I told the main sponsor (windbeachman) beforehand, but he wanted to go through with it. The format also caused delays and made players not want to play due to the repetitiveness and sheer amount of games to be played for one series. Also him wanting 100% of his sponsorship to go to 1st place was not a good choice, imo. If eSports.fund and I hadn't added more money, nobody else would've gotten anything, despite having put so much time into playing the games. While it was generally a great initiative, the format around it made it so much more work for everyone involved: players, casters, and myself.
On June 17 2024 16:05 sas.Sziky wrote: This competition deserved more respect and the people whos sponsored it. well i play willingly for 1900 dollar, whats the problem seriously ?
To me, the problem was the format. I told the main sponsor (windbeachman) beforehand, but he wanted to go through with it. The format also caused delays and made players not want to play due to the repetitiveness and sheer amount of games to be played for one series. Also him wanting 100% of his sponsorship to go to 1st place was not a good choice, imo. If eSports.fund and I hadn't added more money, nobody else would've gotten anything, despite having put so much time into playing the games. While it was generally a great initiative, the format around it made it so much more work for everyone involved: players, casters, and myself.
of course its all true, was the problem for me too as player, but still 1 years not enough for playing? this is not deserved protecting.
So what exactly is holding this from finishing? I thought we reached the finals already.
While the format is indeed frustrating, I don't see it any more lengthy than a GS Tennis match where you essentially play a bo11 bo5. And given that it's been years since this thing started, there's no way the bo7 bo7 is a hurdle.
On August 09 2024 21:36 TMNT wrote: So what exactly is holding this from finishing? I thought we reached the finals already.
While the format is indeed frustrating, I don't see it any more lengthy than a GS Tennis match where you essentially play a bo11 bo5. And given that it's been years since this thing started, there's no way the bo7 bo7 is a hurdle.
The games have finished a while ago. Diggity is currently casting the finals bit by bit (with breaks, as he's currently casting StarCon games).
You can find his casts on his YT channel. The playlist for it can be found here.
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The same players always come in top couple spots and win money extremely often in tournaments. It would be nice to see other people get to share in the wealth. That's what gets more people interested in playing and practicing and increases the talent pool in the foreign community overall but hey, it's not my money and not my decision. It'll be a good day for Bonyth~
for sure
